PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[Columbia Comics]

Let me answer a few of the lingering questions real quick:

 

First off, I did not make the drive to Greensboro or Charlotte b/c the seller cancelled the agreement on 1/11.

 

Second, I was never under the impression that the deal was contingent upon an in-person visual inspection. Obviously one can get a better feel for a book if you can hold it in hand, but as I have stated, I have confidence in the seller's ability to grade. He's been doing it for a while.

 

Third, I agree that an hour between flights when moving from point A to B is a tight squeeze. Could it be done? Yeah, I think so. Did I understand when he cancelled? Absolutely. I would hate to miss a flight. However, I did offer to make other arrangements and received no reply to that offer.

 

Fourth, it was the seller's idea to meet at the airport, not mine. The original idea was to meet in Greensboro (approx. 3.5 hrs from Columbia). After speaking with my family, I just couldn't make that trip in one day. The seller stated "I could meet you in Charlotte if that works better." This was on 1/4, seven days before being cancelled.

[Tony S]

This is the first issue I've had since I've joined and I'm seeking the wisdom of those who have been here longer than I.

 

So here's the story in a nutshell:

 

A few weeks ago I ran a WTB thread looking for two specific books. To my surprise, I received a PM from another boardie telling me that they had a raw copy of one of the books in my thread. The initial PM was on 12/5.

 

After some discussion, the individual and I agreed to meet up in Greensboro since they were coming east to visit family and since the book was raw, it would probably be best to inspect it in person. This meeting was to take place on 1/13. However, after further discussion, we had decided to meet in Charlotte at the airport during the layover. The layover was approx. an hour so it would have been a tight squeeze but doable.

 

I agreed to make the trip and asked if there were other books they wanted to move. I got a list and selected seven books that I would be interested in buying. I got the list on 12/28.

 

On 1/8, I sent the list of books I wanted and asked for prices. The member sent back OSPG prices and I countered with a number that I felt was fair for both parties. The seller agreed and accepted my offer and asked if I could bring cash, to which I agreed.

 

On 1/11, I received an email stating that the meeting in Charlotte would be impossible since the layover was only an hour (this was known prior to 1/11). I also was informed that I would receive first crack at the initial book from the WTB thread before it was posted here or other venues AND that the other six books were to be posted here or other venues. In other words, I would have the opportunity to buy the first book but the other six books in the agreement were no longer available.

 

I replied that I understood regarding the layover time but I was still interested in all the books at the agreed upon price. I was happy to get scans and any notation on the books and have them delivered via mail. I would be happy to mail a check as payment.

 

To this email I received no response.

 

On 1/14, I received this:

 

"Here you go! I bought this as a fine and I agree. Overstreet 2012 is $1047. Make me an offer! I won't be back on email until tonite. The rest of the books we were discussing will be sold on the CGC Boards after I get done scanning them. I want to get closer to full retail on them."

 

This morning I informed the individual that I do not wish to purchase the book from them. I feel that they agreed to a deal and then reneged at the last minute since they wanted more money than the original agreement. The reply to this was that the original deal was contingent upon meeting in Greensboro (which was never communicated) and that the individual wants to maximize the sales price (this I understand).

 

They went on to say that the initial book in question was still mine if I made an acceptable offer (been there, done that) but I passed.

 

So my question is....is this event PL worthy? In full disclosure, half of the conversation started here via PM and migrated to email. There were also two/three phone calls.

 

No, it's not. Dealers have deals like this fall apart all the time. The sale was cancelled before you had anything more than a few emails and phone calls invested. The seller's behaviour is lacking - but not probation list worthy

[Columbia Comics]

No, it's not. Dealers have deals like this fall apart all the time. The sale was cancelled before you had anything more than a few emails and phone calls invested. The seller's behaviour is lacking - but not probation list worthy

 

I have a sneaky feeling that if I agreed to sell you something, only to change my mind b/c I wanted more money after the fact, you'd change your tune.

 

Ultimately, I don't believe I'll nominate said person for the PL so it doesn't matter if it's "PL worthy." Just goes to show that a person is no longer bound by their word and the respect ahered to it is nil.

[skypinkblu]

Let me answer a few of the lingering questions real quick:

 

First off, I did not make the drive to Greensboro or Charlotte b/c the seller cancelled the agreement on 1/11.

 

Second, I was never under the impression that the deal was contingent upon an in-person visual inspection. Obviously one can get a better feel for a book if you can hold it in hand, but as I have stated, I have confidence in the seller's ability to grade. He's been doing it for a while.

 

Third, I agree that an hour between flights when moving from point A to B is a tight squeeze. Could it be done? Yeah, I think so. Did I understand when he cancelled? Absolutely. I would hate to miss a flight. However, I did offer to make other arrangements and received no reply to that offer.

 

Fourth, it was the seller's idea to meet at the airport, not mine. The original idea was to meet in Greensboro (approx. 3.5 hrs from Columbia). After speaking with my family, I just couldn't make that trip in one day. The seller stated "I could meet you in Charlotte if that works better." This was on 1/4, seven days before being cancelled.

 

It sounds like you both changed your mind about the trips. I understand that a 3.5 hour trip was long for you (although for some of us, that kind of round trip would be not such a huge deal) and I understand that having only an hour in an airport would be tight for the other person (although I'm sure that it not a big deal for someone else).

 

I'm not sure what you are looking for, since you said you did not want to out the seller...because without hearing the other side, it's difficult to comment.

 

However, if it were me, I'd drop it as one of those things that was just not meant to be.

[skypinkblu]

No, it's not. Dealers have deals like this fall apart all the time. The sale was cancelled before you had anything more than a few emails and phone calls invested. The seller's behaviour is lacking - but not probation list worthy

 

I have a sneaky feeling that if I agreed to sell you something, only to change my mind b/c I wanted more money after the fact, you'd change your tune.

 

Ultimately, I don't believe I'll nominate said person for the PL so it doesn't matter if it's "PL worthy." Just goes to show that a person is no longer bound by their word and the respect ahered to it is nil.

Brock, you asked for opinions, that's all these are, opinions, they might not agree with yours...but you are not giving us much to work with.

[Columbia Comics]

No, it's not. Dealers have deals like this fall apart all the time. The sale was cancelled before you had anything more than a few emails and phone calls invested. The seller's behaviour is lacking - but not probation list worthy

 

I have a sneaky feeling that if I agreed to sell you something, only to change my mind b/c I wanted more money after the fact, you'd change your tune.

 

Ultimately, I don't believe I'll nominate said person for the PL so it doesn't matter if it's "PL worthy." Just goes to show that a person is no longer bound by their word and the respect ahered to it is nil.

Brock, you asked for opinions, that's all these are, opinions, they might not agree with yours...but you are not giving us much to work with.

 

Fair enough regarding the opinions. And I have not stated that I won't out the seller, just that he won't be nominated for the PL list (which would probably fail).

 

And you're right, the seller has not laid out their side of the story; maybe the won't...who knows.

 

I've sent them a PM directing to this thread. If they feel so inclined to comment, then they're more than welcome. I've provided you with everything I can.

 

If I have come across as rude or snobby or mean, then I apologize. That was not my intent and not how I conduct myself.

[mikenyc]

Why bring this to the boards if you don't want to release the name of the seller?

 

If the general consensus was overwhelmingly in your support would you then feel comfortable?

 

If you have conviction behind the complaint you should say, this person agreed to sell me these books and then backed out of the deal. Nice and simple, the seller comes and defends himself/herself and then the general conversation ensues, hopefully with a justified resolution.

 

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[Columbia Comics]

Let me see if I get any sort of response from the seller. If I do not, I'll release the name.

 

Update: Got a response from the seller. Removed himself from the conversation.

 

Fair enough.

 

The seller in question is: plady69

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6306716#Post6306716

Edited January 16, 2013 by Columbia Comics

[Dr. Love]

Nominate him. Because it's the right thing to do. I'm back to cut & dried. There was an agreement - x books for y dollars, and a meet scheduled for the transfer. Seller cancels the meet, then changes the terms as if there never was an agreement to begin with.

 

You guys are getting bogged down with the no scans, didn't see the books detail. Buyer waived visuals as an interim step, moves it to the back end. Buyer says he'll send payment first and deal with visual confirmation after receipt. Dang, it doesn't get any better than this for a seller. Seller has no basis to not get those books to CC if CC pays first. Doesn't even have to pay first, just saying he is willing to pay first gets CC a 30 day lock on those books.

 

What's the sellers non PL worthy rationale for busting the deal - I was afraid the buyer would try and return the books to me for a refund, since he didn't see them in the hand? Easy enough - send some scans.

 

 

[KONG]

If the buyer backed out of the same deal as he decided to look for a better value this would be PL worthy. How is this any different?

[dem1138]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

[Columbia Comics]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

[Dr. Balls]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

 

re-reading your communications, it doesn't seem different, other than JMG is openly admitting he reneged on the deal and thinks it was totally fine to do so.

 

I dunno. In light of two similar situations being brought up in a manner of days, maybe the powers-that-be around here might need to address the rules of accepting an offer and not plssing backwards on it when a third party waves more money at the seller after the deal is done.

[seanfingh]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

 

It's not. You got screwed. Shady.

[dem1138]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

JMG formerly Crees Tyler has been nominated by others for the Hall of Shame in the above cited thread. This is a nomination that I support as well.

[comicdonna]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

 

It's not. You got screwed. Shady.

If there's a next time, maybe he should hire a lawyer, and present a better case.

[Columbia Comics]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

 

It's not. You got screwed. Shady.

If there's a next time, maybe he should hire a lawyer, and present a better case.

 

I was going to law school at one point...should have kept going huh??

[comicdonna]

I wanted to bring everyone's attention to this thread. It's a great example of the Probation List at work. JMG initially came on the Original Art Marketplace forum to sell a Jim Lee Superman cover but then changed the title of the thread after all of the responses.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6310475#Post6310475

 

I'm curious...how is this any different then what happened to me??

 

It's not. You got screwed. Shady.

If there's a next time, maybe he should hire a lawyer, and present a better case.

 

I was going to law school at one point...should have kept going huh??

It was a bum rap IMO. The best advice I have, is to live and learn. (thumbs u

[PovertyRow]

 

I dunno. In light of two similar situations being brought up in a manner of days, maybe the powers-that-be around here might need to address the rules of accepting an offer and not plssing backwards on it when a third party waves more money at the seller after the deal is done.

 

The only "powers that be" are all the board members. There are no individuals that hold more or less "power" than any other board member.

[N/A]

 

Now that's funny.