PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[N/A]

The issue isn't really about the ease with which someone falls off the PL but whether or not he should have been on it in the first place.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[N/A]

Hello guys! I'm writing this post because I had a problem with an user named sslim66

 

We had two transactions. I was the buyer, he was the seller.

 

The first one included 3 books for $380 + shipping. I asked for a priority mail international with insurance shipping to Europe. He agreed and told me shipping cost $50, then I paid and he sent the books.

 

However, he did not sent the books via Priority and did not put insurance. He also declared a $45 value. Luckily I got the package and everything was fine but one thing: the shipping cost $26 instead of $50. Also, the box he sent me was a box he had received from another guy, so he didn't have to pay for buying it. When I was about to ask him for a refund he told me he had lost his job, so if I wanted to purchase some more books I'd have been welcome.

 

 

I purchased a few other books from him because I thought he needed money and asked again for a priority shipping. I didn't want to pay $50 and be fooled again, so I told him the shipping with priority should have cost around $39 because I got some other books shipped via Priority for $39. He said it was ok, so I paid and he shipped a few days later. He said he shipped first class for $35, and at that moment I got a little bit angry, since it was the second time he didn't ship with the method I told him to ship. I asked for a $4 refund, but he said it was for gas + box. Then I told him that he made me pay $50 instead of $26 for the first transaction's shipping, but he just ignored me and left the conversation.

I haven't received the last package yet.

 

I'm asking for a $24 refund for the first transaction + some dollars refunding the difference between the cost of the last transaction's shipping and what I paid, which is surely at least 4$, since I paid $39 and he said the shipping cost $35.

I asked for the posts receipt of the last shipping, but he hasn't answered yet.

 

Here is some pics which prove that I'm saying the truth:

 

First transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/4lxko4cnp/

http://postimg.org/image/4bq24ry1h/

http://postimg.org/image/t7jhs9kph/ ( Removed a part of his address and his surname)

http://postimg.org/image/omxbdc105/ ( In this one he says he had lost his job... Which is hard to believe because he's still buying comics)

 

Second transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/ucdjxn76d/

http://postimg.org/image/4uv5e1pg5/

http://postimg.org/image/hnj9dz11x/

 

 

I wrote a post on his kudos thread saying he had fooled me. He wrote some bad posts as well on my kudos thread and his one, which I answered to. Then we started talking privately and he also started insulting me: http://postimg.org/image/ox4twofmd/

 

Then I told Architecht about what happened and he suggested me to write on this thread and deleted my and slim66's kudos threads.

 

I'd like to get my money back, but if this won't be possible at least I have told the board what he's done and maybe you can do something for stopping him fooling and insulting people again.

 

 

+1

 

Let's move onto this one...

[Ryan.]

The issue isn't really about the ease with which someone falls off the PL but whether or not he should have been on it in the first place.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Domo Arigato]

You should actually just remove yourself. You requested it and since you nominated yourself you can remove yourself.

 

 

Agreed, I hereby state that SolarCadet is removed from the PL!!

 

Oh wait, cant anyone do it or only special people?

 

Anyone can update it. I am considering adding Ocean.

You should start a poll.

 

I don't know how.

I do.

[N/A]

[Domo Arigato]

Hello guys! I'm writing this post because I had a problem with an user named sslim66

 

We had two transactions. I was the buyer, he was the seller.

 

The first one included 3 books for $380 + shipping. I asked for a priority mail international with insurance shipping to Europe. He agreed and told me shipping cost $50, then I paid and he sent the books.

 

However, he did not sent the books via Priority and did not put insurance. He also declared a $45 value. Luckily I got the package and everything was fine but one thing: the shipping cost $26 instead of $50. Also, the box he sent me was a box he had received from another guy, so he didn't have to pay for buying it. When I was about to ask him for a refund he told me he had lost his job, so if I wanted to purchase some more books I'd have been welcome.

 

 

I purchased a few other books from him because I thought he needed money and asked again for a priority shipping. I didn't want to pay $50 and be fooled again, so I told him the shipping with priority should have cost around $39 because I got some other books shipped via Priority for $39. He said it was ok, so I paid and he shipped a few days later. He said he shipped first class for $35, and at that moment I got a little bit angry, since it was the second time he didn't ship with the method I told him to ship. I asked for a $4 refund, but he said it was for gas + box. Then I told him that he made me pay $50 instead of $26 for the first transaction's shipping, but he just ignored me and left the conversation.

I haven't received the last package yet.

 

I'm asking for a $24 refund for the first transaction + some dollars refunding the difference between the cost of the last transaction's shipping and what I paid, which is surely at least 4$, since I paid $39 and he said the shipping cost $35.

I asked for the posts receipt of the last shipping, but he hasn't answered yet.

 

Here is some pics which prove that I'm saying the truth:

 

First transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/4lxko4cnp/

http://postimg.org/image/4bq24ry1h/

http://postimg.org/image/t7jhs9kph/ ( Removed a part of his address and his surname)

http://postimg.org/image/omxbdc105/ ( In this one he says he had lost his job... Which is hard to believe because he's still buying comics)

 

Second transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/ucdjxn76d/

http://postimg.org/image/4uv5e1pg5/

http://postimg.org/image/hnj9dz11x/

 

 

I wrote a post on his kudos thread saying he had fooled me. He wrote some bad posts as well on my kudos thread and his one, which I answered to. Then we started talking privately and he also started insulting me: http://postimg.org/image/ox4twofmd/

 

Then I told Architecht about what happened and he suggested me to write on this thread and deleted my and slim66's kudos threads.

 

I'd like to get my money back, but if this won't be possible at least I have told the board what he's done and maybe you can do something for stopping him fooling and insulting people again.

Seller owes you a refund of $28 ($24 on the first package and $4 on the second package, since he didn't ship them as specified).

 

This is assuming the second package arrives to you safely.

[Iceman399]

You should actually just remove yourself. You requested it and since you nominated yourself you can remove yourself.

 

 

Agreed, I hereby state that SolarCadet is removed from the PL!!

 

Oh wait, cant anyone do it or only special people?

 

Anyone can update it. I am considering adding Ocean.

You should start a poll.

 

I don't know how.

I do.

 

And yet you haven't...are you scared or something?

[Domo Arigato]

You should actually just remove yourself. You requested it and since you nominated yourself you can remove yourself.

 

 

Agreed, I hereby state that SolarCadet is removed from the PL!!

 

Oh wait, cant anyone do it or only special people?

 

Anyone can update it. I am considering adding Ocean.

You should start a poll.

 

I don't know how.

I do.

 

And yet you haven't...are you scared or something?

I'm worried about scaring others in here.

[asteroid-comix]

Hello guys! I'm writing this post because I had a problem with an user named sslim66

 

We had two transactions. I was the buyer, he was the seller.

 

The first one included 3 books for $380 + shipping. I asked for a priority mail international with insurance shipping to Europe. He agreed and told me shipping cost $50, then I paid and he sent the books.

 

However, he did not sent the books via Priority and did not put insurance. He also declared a $45 value. Luckily I got the package and everything was fine but one thing: the shipping cost $26 instead of $50. Also, the box he sent me was a box he had received from another guy, so he didn't have to pay for buying it. When I was about to ask him for a refund he told me he had lost his job, so if I wanted to purchase some more books I'd have been welcome.

 

 

I purchased a few other books from him because I thought he needed money and asked again for a priority shipping. I didn't want to pay $50 and be fooled again, so I told him the shipping with priority should have cost around $39 because I got some other books shipped via Priority for $39. He said it was ok, so I paid and he shipped a few days later. He said he shipped first class for $35, and at that moment I got a little bit angry, since it was the second time he didn't ship with the method I told him to ship. I asked for a $4 refund, but he said it was for gas + box. Then I told him that he made me pay $50 instead of $26 for the first transaction's shipping, but he just ignored me and left the conversation.

I haven't received the last package yet.

 

I'm asking for a $24 refund for the first transaction + some dollars refunding the difference between the cost of the last transaction's shipping and what I paid, which is surely at least 4$, since I paid $39 and he said the shipping cost $35.

I asked for the posts receipt of the last shipping, but he hasn't answered yet.

 

Here is some pics which prove that I'm saying the truth:

 

First transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/4lxko4cnp/

http://postimg.org/image/4bq24ry1h/

http://postimg.org/image/t7jhs9kph/ ( Removed a part of his address and his surname)

http://postimg.org/image/omxbdc105/ ( In this one he says he had lost his job... Which is hard to believe because he's still buying comics)

 

Second transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/ucdjxn76d/

http://postimg.org/image/4uv5e1pg5/

http://postimg.org/image/hnj9dz11x/

 

 

I wrote a post on his kudos thread saying he had fooled me. He wrote some bad posts as well on my kudos thread and his one, which I answered to. Then we started talking privately and he also started insulting me: http://postimg.org/image/ox4twofmd/

 

Then I told Architecht about what happened and he suggested me to write on this thread and deleted my and slim66's kudos threads.

 

I'd like to get my money back, but if this won't be possible at least I have told the board what he's done and maybe you can do something for stopping him fooling and insulting people again.

Seller owes you a refund of $28 ($24 on the first package and $4 on the second package, since he didn't ship them as specified).

 

This is assuming the second package arrives to you safely.

 

Is he charging for insurance that wasn't visible to the recipient? I know every time I get a USPS package from Sarasota, the label has an amount that is nowhere near what I paid.

[comicdonna]

I will be so glad when it stops raining, so I can go back to cutting trees.

[Iceman399]

You should actually just remove yourself. You requested it and since you nominated yourself you can remove yourself.

 

 

Agreed, I hereby state that SolarCadet is removed from the PL!!

 

Oh wait, cant anyone do it or only special people?

 

Anyone can update it. I am considering adding Ocean.

You should start a poll.

 

I don't know how.

I do.

 

And yet you haven't...are you scared or something?

 

I'm worried about scaring others in here.

 

[Domo Arigato]

[comix4fun]

Agreed, while oceanavekid could have been a bit more direct, I just don't see this particular case against him being PL worthy.

 

Then where is the line where we hold a seller responsible for completing a sale

 

Sorry was at work. My reply to this is certainly not after he tells the potential buyer he is not going to sell it to him.

 

Agreed. Now if only the seller had said that.

 

Okay, fine, we can disagree but to me what he said was close enough to an "I'm keeping the book".

 

 

Only if "Keeping" is synonymous with "Ebaying", otherwise it's a straight up lie.

[Domo Arigato]

Hello guys! I'm writing this post because I had a problem with an user named sslim66

 

We had two transactions. I was the buyer, he was the seller.

 

The first one included 3 books for $380 + shipping. I asked for a priority mail international with insurance shipping to Europe. He agreed and told me shipping cost $50, then I paid and he sent the books.

 

However, he did not sent the books via Priority and did not put insurance. He also declared a $45 value. Luckily I got the package and everything was fine but one thing: the shipping cost $26 instead of $50. Also, the box he sent me was a box he had received from another guy, so he didn't have to pay for buying it. When I was about to ask him for a refund he told me he had lost his job, so if I wanted to purchase some more books I'd have been welcome.

 

 

I purchased a few other books from him because I thought he needed money and asked again for a priority shipping. I didn't want to pay $50 and be fooled again, so I told him the shipping with priority should have cost around $39 because I got some other books shipped via Priority for $39. He said it was ok, so I paid and he shipped a few days later. He said he shipped first class for $35, and at that moment I got a little bit angry, since it was the second time he didn't ship with the method I told him to ship. I asked for a $4 refund, but he said it was for gas + box. Then I told him that he made me pay $50 instead of $26 for the first transaction's shipping, but he just ignored me and left the conversation.

I haven't received the last package yet.

 

I'm asking for a $24 refund for the first transaction + some dollars refunding the difference between the cost of the last transaction's shipping and what I paid, which is surely at least 4$, since I paid $39 and he said the shipping cost $35.

I asked for the posts receipt of the last shipping, but he hasn't answered yet.

 

Here is some pics which prove that I'm saying the truth:

 

First transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/4lxko4cnp/

http://postimg.org/image/4bq24ry1h/

http://postimg.org/image/t7jhs9kph/ ( Removed a part of his address and his surname)

http://postimg.org/image/omxbdc105/ ( In this one he says he had lost his job... Which is hard to believe because he's still buying comics)

 

Second transaction:

 

http://postimg.org/image/ucdjxn76d/

http://postimg.org/image/4uv5e1pg5/

http://postimg.org/image/hnj9dz11x/

 

 

I wrote a post on his kudos thread saying he had fooled me. He wrote some bad posts as well on my kudos thread and his one, which I answered to. Then we started talking privately and he also started insulting me: http://postimg.org/image/ox4twofmd/

 

Then I told Architecht about what happened and he suggested me to write on this thread and deleted my and slim66's kudos threads.

 

I'd like to get my money back, but if this won't be possible at least I have told the board what he's done and maybe you can do something for stopping him fooling and insulting people again.

Seller owes you a refund of $28 ($24 on the first package and $4 on the second package, since he didn't ship them as specified).

 

This is assuming the second package arrives to you safely.

 

Is he charging for insurance that wasn't visible to the recipient? I know every time I get a USPS package from Sarasota, the label has an amount that is nowhere near what I paid.

We don't know. The seller removed himself from the conversation. As It stands...the seller either owes money or an explanation.

[Chaseman210]

Ryan, I'd agree with you IF this was an old thread and an oversight regarding closing it down.

 

That's NOT the case here though. Before jawn added the in the thread, he had been discussing the book with oceanavekid for a full day. Meaning IF the thread really was closed, why didn't he update it as such if that was his intention? The rules are clear that sellers are responsible for their threads. He didn't want it closed.

 

This isn't a long-time, respected seller. This is a guy who has constantly bent and broken the rules. He has had two or three recent sales threads pulled by the kids for simultaneously having books for sale here and listed on eBay. In one instance he had a sales thread pulled, he complained about the mods having a personal agenda against him and he had no more books listed on eBay while starting a new sales thread. Guess what - the books he listed here were STILL up for sale on eBay, this guy is either the dumbest guy to sell things or he is consciously and repeatedly breaking the rules. The sales thread being left open was not an oversight in this instance.

 

Justin... do you think this really matters in this case? I can send you an immediate link to a "long-time respected seller" who not only blatently broke the rules... but contacted a friend in moderation to allow him to bypass the rules

 

I'm not talking about board etiquette or personal opinions... I'm talking about a actual stated, written rule that was altered based on personal bias/preferential treatment to another member.

 

The only reason this is allowed to happen is mainly because someone will say "hey you shouldn't mess with them... they are a long time respected member"... plus they have lots of friends on here that will bombard you with that simple statement... leaving the person who wants to do the right thing perplexed to say the least.

 

Is it fair that a "long time respected seller" gets a pass and a n00b trying to get things right in his first three or four sales doesn't?

 

Jawn believes he is in the right. Oceanavekid believes he is. There is no answer to this one I don't believe because it's been discussed ad nauseam.

 

Perhaps the easiest way for us to try to find an answer is to PM sellers with threads that are one week and older to see if their threads are still open if they have no notation stating they are closed.

 

Any one of us can get the answer from them via PM. If they imply it's closed by stating "that thread is a week old so I would assume it's closed" and we then post in their threads for books they still have listed for sale... are they still on the hook? What if they say "I think I sold half of those" and we then go place a on one that sold already. Can we hold that seller to the sale?

 

Over the weekend, maybe we should randomly experiment... not to force a sale... but just PM some sellers with week or so old sales threads and ask them their opinion on whether or not their sales threads are closed or open

 

 

But if was closed based on being a week old, why didn't Oceanavekid tell Jawn when Jawn was trying to negotiate a price? Instead of saying the thread was closed, Oceanavekid said "I think I'll hold onto it until I get pics" and "I might hold onto it because it's priced too low."

 

The argument of the thread being closed down by default is moot. If it WAS closed, why would the seller continue to PM somebody who is trying to buy the book instead of saying the thread was closed and the books weren't for sale?

 

Good question.

 

So if oceanavekid had not politely continued answering jawn's questions and multiple PMs he would be off the hook? Is that what you are implying

 

I mean the 'kid's first response to the direct sale/newsstand questions was "I'm going to to hold on to it"... which was before any perceived negotiation was taking place.

 

I seriously think this has now officially been beaten to a slow and painful death.

 

The easiest answer is just to ask the community to vote on whether or not the 'kid needs a second chance or not.

 

If not that... then I guess we can go back to talking about new grading companies and pressing until something like this happens again

 

 

 

But the bolded above is the problem. He DIDN'T say "I'm going to hold onto it." You keep leaving out the phrases after his statement. He said he "Thinks" he'll hold onto it "until he gets scans/pics." That doesn't mean it's not FS.

 

EDIT: This is moot since he's been removed. The thing to take from this is to close sales threads and be 100% clear whether or not books are available. Don't leave anything up to interpretation.

Edited June 13, 2014 by chaseman210

[HarveySwick]

Can we focus on the new nomination? The oceanavekid discussion is over (for now).

[revat]

Agreed, while oceanavekid could have been a bit more direct, I just don't see this particular case against him being PL worthy.

 

Then where is the line where we hold a seller responsible for completing a sale

 

Sorry was at work. My reply to this is certainly not after he tells the potential buyer he is not going to sell it to him.

 

Agreed. Now if only the seller had said that.

 

Okay, fine, we can disagree but to me what he said was close enough to an "I'm keeping the book".

 

 

Only if "Keeping" is synonymous with "Ebaying", otherwise it's a straight up lie.

 

even if its a lie, I don't think you can infer that he meant sell on ebay at a higher price AND keep selling on the boards at a lower price, specifically after he told the guy he priced it too low. If that were the case, he would have honored the lower price sale, as the ebay fee difference would have negated most of the profit.

 

This is a careless administrative error, unfortunately made by someone with a history of careless administrative errors who ran into someone who wanted to force the issue. The buyer (admittedly inexperienced) should have notified the mods and the seller of the rule breaking, not threw up an "I'll take it" when he knew the comic was on ebay at a higher price and after being told that the seller was going to 'keep it BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS PRICE TOO LOW'.

 

 

[Chaseman210]

Can we focus on the new nomination? The oceanavekid discussion is over (for now).

 

 

I've been on the road for three hours. I had to get my say in.

[Iceman399]

Agreed, while oceanavekid could have been a bit more direct, I just don't see this particular case against him being PL worthy.

 

Then where is the line where we hold a seller responsible for completing a sale

 

Sorry was at work. My reply to this is certainly not after he tells the potential buyer he is not going to sell it to him.

 

Agreed. Now if only the seller had said that.

 

Okay, fine, we can disagree but to me what he said was close enough to an "I'm keeping the book".

 

 

Only if "Keeping" is synonymous with "Ebaying", otherwise it's a straight up lie.

 

even if its a lie, I don't think you can infer that he meant sell on ebay at a higher price AND keep selling on the boards at a lower price, specifically after he told the guy he priced it too low. If that were the case, he would have honored the lower price sale, as the ebay fee difference would have negated most of the profit.

 

 

He sold it on ebay mere hours after saying he was "keeping" it. He sold it for 185 (166.5) vs the boards for 110.

[HarveySwick]

Integrity and reputation: $56.50