PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[Ditch Fahrenheit]

We need a much larger sample size before we can conclude that what Dr Love is saying is true.

 

No we don't.

 

He's saying that 75% of the books sold on eBay that do not have "CGC" in the title are missed by GPA. This is incorrect. And since this represents literally hundreds of books per week, I think it would have been noticed by now.

 

PS - Don't try to dangleberry me bro.

[Bio-Rupp]

Did I read somewhere that the CGC bar code number had to be in the Ebay title for GPA to catch it?

 

Or maybe all those narcotics we brew here in hillbilly land are finally taking their evil toll

[Dr. Love]

We need a much larger sample size before we can conclude that what Dr Love is saying is true.

 

No we don't.

 

Of course we do. Indicative is the word I used. Quite appropriately I might add.

 

Dang, you are a rough and ungenerous lot! I reach out and without breaking much of a sweat I find 5 out of 6 that don't make it to sales data, 83%, and it doesn't even represent a speed bump for your already decided point of view? Based on "someone would have noticed it already" and "their service would be worthless if this were true"? No qualifying, no backpedaling, no rear covering, no homework, not an inch of give even when I say I've spoken to GPA? I got to hand it to you Shellhead, you picked the right handle for sure.

 

I hesitate to put the hours in to get a more definitive sample size, but I might...6-10 hours should tell the tale...more work than reward...btw, thank you Sqeggs for the thumbs up.

 

Bio-Rupp - if your listing > 10 days and you want it to show up on GPA's Live Auction Links then you must include the 10 digit certification number in the Ebay listing title. That is definitive and straight from GPA. now...what was that about narcotics?

 

 

 

 

 

[zuckuss2003]

How are you getting this straight from GPA? You are asking them?

[Ditch Fahrenheit]

We need a much larger sample size before we can conclude that what Dr Love is saying is true.

 

No we don't.

 

Of course we do. Indicative is the word I used. Quite appropriately I might add.

 

Dang, you are a rough and ungenerous lot! I reach out and without breaking much of a sweat I find 5 out of 6 that don't make it to sales data, 83%, and it doesn't even represent a speed bump for your already decided point of view? Based on "someone would have noticed it already" and "their service would be worthless if this were true"? No qualifying, no backpedaling, no rear covering, no homework, not an inch of give even when I say I've spoken to GPA? I got to hand it to you Shellhead, you picked the right handle for sure.

 

I hesitate to put the hours in to get a more definitive sample size, but I might...6-10 hours should tell the tale...more work than reward...btw, thank you Sqeggs for the thumbs up.

 

Bio-Rupp - if your listing > 10 days and you want it to show up on GPA's Live Auction Links then you must include the 10 digit certification number in the Ebay listing title. That is definitive and straight from GPA. now...what was that about narcotics?

 

Here's what I said.

 

No we don't.

 

He's saying that 75% of the books sold on eBay that do not have "CGC" in the title are missed by GPA. This is incorrect. And since this represents literally hundreds of books per week, I think it would have been noticed by now.

 

Your sample population is 5, after reviewing 800 listings.

 

If you had to go through 800 listings to find 5 examples, then you're not doing it right and you probably need to acquaint yourself with the eBay search function and Boolean logic.

 

It took me only a few minutes to find these, and they represent only a handful, specifically CGC 9.8 books currently listed on eBay without "CGC" in the title. Multiply this by all the other possible grades and you end up with hundreds of listings per week.

 

 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chew-1-Graded-9-8-first-print-/181112381188?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2a2b239f04

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BATMAN-INCORPORATED-8-9-8-NEAR-MINT-NM-M-CONDITION-/121088533303?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c31706337

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-man-700-FINAL-ASM-9-8-NEAR-MINT-MINT-NM-STAN-LEE-HUMBERTO-RAMOS-/111042915201?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19daac6b81

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spiderman-379-9-8-/121080765213?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c30f9db1d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Walking-Dead-1-Graded-9-8-Mint-condition-1st-Print-Oct-2003-/181113853545?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2a2b3a1669

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cory-Doctorows-Futuristic-Tales-4-NM-9-8-Cameo-Locke-Key-Low-Print-Run-/161000306372?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item257c5db6c4

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spider-Man-1-1990-Silver-edition-9-8-SIGNED-BY-STAN-LEE-/251254413890?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a7fee1a42

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/spiderman-ultimate-enemy-1-9-8-/261195011569?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3cd06f95f1

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Image-Bedlam-1-9-8-Signature-Series-and-Sketch-Lot-All-7-1s-Books-/271183338402?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3f23c95ba2

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-583-OBAMA-9-8-WHITE-Pages-2nd-Printing-VARIANT-NM-MT-/230916035934?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35c3ab155e

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saga-1-C2E2-Retailer-Incentive-Edition-9-6-Ultra-Rare-RRP-Saga-1-9-8-/111042744605?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19daa9d11d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Defenders-1-C-GCG-Graded-9-8-Limited-1-for-50-Variant-Cover-by-Stuart-Immonen-/350755343899?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51aaa5ce1b

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Incredible-Hulk-100-Michael-Tuner-Variant-9-8-Grade-Signed-By-Stan-Lee-/121089641818?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c31814d5a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-NEW-AVENGERS-with-The-FANTASTIC-FOUR-2005-CGX-NM-MT-9-8-Military-variant-/121086087442?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c314b1112

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-SONJA-ONE-MORE-DAY-BLUE-VARIANT-9-8-EXCLUSIVE-NEAR-MINT-/390569383429?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5aefbfd605

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/War-Heroes-1-Sketch-Variant-Signed-CHC-9-8-/181114603831?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2a2b458937

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Death-Dealer-2-9-8-Frazetta-cover-Highest-Graded-/160999513729?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item257c519e81

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FANTASTIC-FOUR-VOLUME-2-1-GCC-9-8-1996-417-/111045115897?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19dacdfff9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Serenity-One-for-One-1-Cassaday-Joss-Whedon-9-8-/360318608179?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item53e4a9a333

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WALKING-DEAD-61-9-8-/321101753511?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4ac327eca7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-94-3-9-8-Signature-Series-MIKE-MIGNOLA-/160801253233?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2570806771

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incognito-6-GC-9-8-/380176554230?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item588449d8f6

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DANGER-GIRL-5-9-8-1999-VERY-RARE-DYNAMIC-FORCE-EDITION-/140945300464?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item20d0fe9bf0

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spawn-1-9-6-Spawn-2-9-8-/200911956003?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2ec7492823

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/X-Men-Phoenix-Warsong-1-VARIANT-LOT-of-2-C-G-C-9-8-9-4-/330901157474?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item4d0b3ef662

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tomb-Raider-Sphere-Of-Influence-1-9-8-DF-Blue-Foil-Ed-Contact-Us-Through-E-/121041526320?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c2ea31e30

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brightest-Day-6-Ivan-Reis-Variant-Edition-9-8-/360299727228?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item53e389897c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avengers-vs-x-men-Midtown-comics-9-8-and-0-Bendis-AAron-Sho-keith-/151021695747?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2329983303

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avengers-vs-x-men-Midtown-comics-9-8-and-0-Bendis-AAron-Sho-keith-/151021695747?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2329983303

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Supergirl-54-Bizarro-Supergirl-9-8-/380268117433?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5889befdb9

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Captain-America-158-9-8-White-PAges-1973-/111026896705?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item19d9b7ff41

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Incredible-Hulk-601-GC-9-8-/360206661441?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item53ddfd7741

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVENGERS-INVADERS-3-ALEX-R0SS-CVR-9-8-SS-DF-EDITION-/120429506092?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c0a286e2c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVENGERS-INVADERS-3-ALEX-R0SS-CVR-9-8-SS-DF-EDITION-/120429506092?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c0a286e2c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shi-Poisoned-Paradise-Preview-NN-9-8-Adrian-Variant-Cov-Contact-Us-Throug-/360544107608?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item53f21a7c58

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CALL-OF-DUTY-THE-BROTHERHOOD-1-C-G-9-8-NM-MT-Comic-Book-Austen-Finch-Marvel-/251248506478?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a7f93f66e

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BATMAN-3-SKETCH-COVER-THE-NEW-52-1-200-MINT-9-8-HI-GRADE-2007-/310550008398?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item484e39124e

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Justice-Society-of-America-41-Bagley-cover-9-8-/360299728284?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item53e3898d9c

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ROBIN-1-CGG-9-8-VARIANT-COVER-SS-J-G-JONES-/251219048152?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a7dd276d8

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTIMATE-EXTINCTION-1-GCG-9-8-EXCLUSIVE-SKETCH-COVER-/251241313773?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a7f2635ed

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wanted-1-Wizard-World-Texas-Exclusive-9-8-/181108159166?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2a2ae332be

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNCANNY-X-MEN-248-9-8-WHITE-PAGES-STAN-LEE-SIGNATURE-SERIES-/310562996627?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item484eff4193

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DETECTIVE-436-9-8-OFF-WH-WH-PGS-250-/230711153612?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item35b774d3cc

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-WALKING-DEAD-100-NM-9-8-2nd-Print-1st-Appearance-Negan-Lucille-/190812306742?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2c6d4cbd36

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/c-g-c-COMIC-LOT-FOUR-THE-9-8S-ONE-HAS-CRACKED-CASE-THE-ULTRA-FANTASTICS-/271175893955?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3f2357c3c3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wolverine-Origins-2-GCG-9-8-Signature-Series-Signed-By-Joe-Quesada-Awesome-/120986251195?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c2b57afbb

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/c-g-c-COMIC-LOT-TWO-9-8S-THE-AVENGERS-THE-ULTRA-FANTASTICS-/271175890004?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3f2357b454

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-THE-AVENGERS-236-WHITE-PAGES-SPIDER-MAN-/221029273331?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f0ef3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-TEEN-TITANS-VS-JLA-6-WHITE-PAGES-/221029282592?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f3320

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Vertigo-Death-The-High-Cost-of-Living-1-GCG-9-8-/120639969569?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c16b3d921

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-MIGHTY-THOR-158-Finest-known-9-8-WHITE-pages-/280979695892?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item416bb1e914

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Comics-Wonder-Woman-173-NM-MT-9-8-Graded-/121078054688?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item1c30d07f20

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-303-CDC-9-8-1988-Sandman-Silver-Sable-Appearance-/380582573949?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item589c7d377d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ELEKTRA-1-vol-2-GCC-GRADED-9-8-GREG-HORN-SMOKING-HOT-COVER-L-K-/350697181868?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item51a72e52ac

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAREDEVIL-7-vol-2-GCC-GRADED-9-8-FLAWLESS-GREAT-COVER-QUESADA-ART-/350585983901?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item51a08d939d

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Panther-25-SS-Michael-Turner-9-8-Wizard-World-LA-/390542702726?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item5aee28b886

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-193-9-8-NM-MT-/290841309033?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item43b77e2f69

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amazing-Spider-Man-193-9-8-NM-MT-/290841309033?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item43b77e2f69

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-JUSTICE-SOCIETY-OF-AMERICA-2-WHITE-PAGES-ALEX-ROSS-COVER-/221029268387?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765efba3

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-AVENGERS-DISASSEMBLED-505-WHITE-PAGES-/221029271276?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f06ec

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stan-Lee-9-8-The-Traveler-1-comic-/150988671703?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item2327a04ad7

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-AVENGERS-THE-CROSSING-1-/150746889344?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item231936fc80

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-STARMAN-80-PAGE-GIANT-1-WHITE-PAGES-/221029283909?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f3845

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-AVENGERS-EARTHS-MIGHTIEST-HEROES-1-WHITE-PAGES-/221029270094?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f024e

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-8-NM-M-TEEN-TITANS-1-2-WIZARD-MAIL-AWAY-EXCLUSIVE-WHITE-PAGES-/221029281534?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item33765f2efe

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Conan-1-Dark-Horse-Rare-3rd-Printing-9-8-White-2004-/150844836650?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item231f0d8b2a

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WOLVERINE-ORIGINS-1-JUNE-06-9-8-VARIANT-TURNER-/380602709611?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item589db0766b

 

 

 

 

 

I tell you what. Go ahead and knock yourself out.

 

If 75% of the books that sell in the above list are missed by GPA, then I'll eat one of Blowie's half-eaten food oddities.

 

If less than 75%, then you eat it.

 

Fair?

[comix4fun]

 

Indicative is the word I used. Quite appropriately I might add.

 

 

 

 

You may be right, you may be wrong, but when I read this I picture you and you look like this:

 

[bababooey]

 

Edited April 5, 2013 by bababooey

[EC ed]

Interesting and useful info. (thumbs u

+1 (thumbs u Thanks, Dr. Love...impressive research.

 

Dang, you are a rough and ungenerous lot!

+1

 

...you probably need to acquaint yourself with the eBay search function and Boolean logic.

It took me only a few minutes to find these, and they represent only a handful, specifically CGC 9.8 books currently listed on eBay without "CGC" in the title.

But try that trick at non-stratospheric grades and see how easy it is...I just tried. For example, try searching '8.0 -cgc' or '7.0 -cgc' and it's pretty difficult to find these cases. One reason seems to be that a lot of people selling raw comics tend to put grades like '6.0', '7.0', 8.0, etc. in the title, whereas not alot of raw sellers will grade a raw book as a 9.8, it seems. Stated differently, it's much more likely that a search for '9.8 -cgc' will uncover CGC slabs than will a search for '8.0 -cgc', or '7.0 -cgc', etc. If it's harder for us to find the non-stratospheric grades that are CGC without 'CGC' in the title, it's probably harder (i.e., more costly) for the GPA team to find them, as well. So, a natural testable hypothesis in this hypothetical research project might be as follows: it is more likely that GPA will miss CGC sales that don't have 'CGC' in the title for grades below 9.0 than for grades above 9.0 (or something such as that).

 

If 75% of the books that sell in the above list are missed by GPA, then I'll eat one of Blowie's half-eaten food oddities.

 

If less than 75%, then you eat it.

 

Fair?

 

Probably no longer fair to use this particular list for the competition, because it has now been posted on the CGC boards, therefore increasing the probability that the GPA will become aware of these particular books...

[Dr. Love]

How are you getting this straight from GPA? You are asking them?

 

They are always interested in having their clients understand how to get their listings into the Live Auctions links.

[Dr. Love]

That's a good list Shellhead. I wasn't thinking modern but it'll do. I would be very interested as to why some listings make it and others do not. I'll let you know what I find out.

 

I don't know who Blowie is. How odd, and why half eaten?

 

Comix4fun - that's funny, I see myself much the same way. A man out of time! But more James West than those poofs. Anyway, I'm a New Yorker, but from Queens, obviously.

 

Ed - thanks man - do I seem as if I need help with these brutes?

[Ryan.]

So what happened with mrmaha?

[bababooey]

So what happened with mrmaha?

I think a few people, including you, have spoken up in agreement, I think miamisoundmachine3434 was going to post a better PM exchange, but anyone who has read it agrees that mrmaha made a PL worthy move.

 

I say last call before adding these two, any objections

 

mrmaha nominator miamiknight3434

 

jaspersk nominator pwog

 

Once we clear the deck, we can string up gpanalysis for failing to report some ebay sales.

 

[Ditch Fahrenheit]

That's a good list Shellhead. I wasn't thinking modern but it'll do. I would be very interested as to why some listings make it and others do not. I'll let you know what I find out.

 

I don't know who Blowie is. How odd, and why half eaten?

 

Comix4fun - that's funny, I see myself much the same way. A man out of time! But more James West than those poofs. Anyway, I'm a New Yorker, but from Queens, obviously.

 

Ed - thanks man - do I seem as if I need help with these brutes?

 

DL,

 

Awesome. If you're willing to spend the time tracking the results of a statistically valid sample population, that would be great. I would love to learn what the true capture rate is, and I'm sure others here would too. Further insight into the causes of the capture rate would be interesting as well; the only downside being new possible arbitrage opportunities.

 

The food thing was just a joke.

 

Looking forward to seeing your results.

 

 

 

 

[Ditch Fahrenheit]

Once we clear the deck, we can string up gpanalysis for failing to report some ebay sales.

[skypinkblu]

I think the answer is simple, if you are worried about selling to noobs, explicitly state a rule in your sales thread that you reserve the right to deny a sale to anyone for any reason. Heck, specify that all noobs must PM you ahead of time and prove that they are a worthy buyer.

 

My first post here on the boards was a and frankly most of my 100+ posts have been

 

I buy here. I read here. I'm sorry I don't post all that often. But I have a solid track record and most people who find these boards will too.

 

Limiting someone's ability to buy or sell because they are new is stupid and will cause more harm than good in the long term.

Agree with all (and in fact, I sold to Kyle here right when he just joined up).

 

I always say the same thing every time this issue comes up. I've had dozens of successful sales to single-digit-posters (and even members with literally 0 posts). My only unsuccessful transaction here was to someone with 1500 posts who went south and didn't finish a time pay. For me there is little to no correlation between reliability and post count, and in the broader picture I'd be unhappy with excluding newbies who just joined up and are testing the waters.

 

There is obviously risk involved in buying from someone with no references who just joined up. When has that ever not been true?

 

 

I agree with Jon. I don't think post counts are a valid way to keep the market safer.

 

I posted very rarely in the few year or so, I was not sure how, I kept getting lost...and I was working a ton of hours. I had friends here, who knew me from eBay and they introduced me, but if you went by post counts, I would not have been able to buy or sell.

 

People need to use common sense, if it looks too good to be true, chances are it is.

 

MOST sales transactions are flawless...there are the same percentage of bad apples here as everywhere else, including eBay...they just have a bigger population. It's really pretty small number of losers, they just cause more agitation and stand out among all the normal nice people.

 

Besides, if you had a post count requirement, wouldn't you have to then have people verify the QUALITY of the posts...it could be a post count generator like the one Blowie pointed out, or it could be people posting gremlins. ...besides, some people are just shy...and that's fine.

 

I have a good friend I have known for 14 years, he was on the eBay chatboard. He ONLY posts when I send him a link to a charity thread, or if someone he knows has a sales thread (and I sent him a link)...totally reliable nice person, but he does not want to post, he's busy working (or shopping for comics on eBay;) . Yet he participates each time we need help. Should we tell him that he can't do that?

 

 

 

[Bosco685]

I agree with Jon. I don't think post counts are a valid way to keep the market safer.

I have to agree. I've had PM sales from quite a few new members, and they follow through with no problems. You are going to have a chance of a bad sale based on the person - not the post count. Though I get it about feeling more comfortable with someone that is established.

[Dr. Balls]

I agree with Jon. I don't think post counts are a valid way to keep the market safer.

I have to agree. I've had PM sales from quite a few new members, and they follow through with no problems. You are going to have a chance of a bad sale based on the person - not the post count. Though I get it about feeling more comfortable with someone that is established.

 

The original topic of discussion was to have a post count required for people to sell on the boards - not buy. Not sure what happened, but I think someone misread and ran with the idea that a post count for everyone was being suggested.

[Bosco685]

I agree with Jon. I don't think post counts are a valid way to keep the market safer.

I have to agree. I've had PM sales from quite a few new members, and they follow through with no problems. You are going to have a chance of a bad sale based on the person - not the post count. Though I get it about feeling more comfortable with someone that is established.

 

The original topic of discussion was to have a post count required for people to sell on the boards - not buy. Not sure what happened, but I think someone misread and ran with the idea that a post count for everyone was being suggested.

 

So you're suggesting higher post count leads to thinner pie crust, yummier tomato sauce, and more robust flavoring?

 

Good points!

[pwog]

The original topic of discussion was to have a post count required for people to sell on the boards - not buy. Not sure what happened, but I think someone misread and ran with the idea that a post count for everyone was being suggested.

 

Not trying to poke the bear here, but in how many cases is it the buyer causing the issue and not the seller?

[Bosco685]

The original topic of discussion was to have a post count required for people to sell on the boards - not buy. Not sure what happened, but I think someone misread and ran with the idea that a post count for everyone was being suggested.

 

Not trying to poke the bear here, but in how many cases is it the buyer causing the issue and not the seller?

 

No poking The Balls.

 

But more to your point, it depends. We do have complaints on both sides of the table about new members. So it's a very valid point you make.

 

Now, back to poking.