slym2none Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Oh man... there is nothing like Mylar to show off a book. A 7.0 can look like a 9.6 in Mylar! -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troywall-migration Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 Wow, this is an incredibly informative post. I have to say, I've been reading and collecting comics since I was 9 years old (1992), and I had no idea these products were out there...referring to the E Gerber materials. What do the "half back" and "full back" terms refer to for the E Gerber backing boards? Never seen those terms before in my life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 (edited) I believe it is the thickness of the board... but I am not sure. *edit* yes, the Half-backs are 24 mils thick, and the Full-backs are 42 mils. http://www.egerber.com/ When looking at the Mylars, the 1-mil Mylites seem "crinkly," like cellophane, but are plenty strong & protect your books just fine. Most just don't seem to like the feel of them - that's why the 1.42-mil Mylite+s were probably made. I still personally go for the 2-mil thick Mylite2s - but that is my preference. -slym Edited May 15, 2013 by slym2none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaws1965 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 What do folks think of these CGC bags? http://stores.ebay.com/CGC-Mylars/10-CGC-Resealable-Mylar-Bags-/_i.html?_fsub=4578802014&_sid=5071234&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 I really like them, they are crystal-clear and not as stiff as the CGC M2s, and won't bow out a standard CGC box, yet not super thin and crinkly like the BCE 1mil bags, . Just curious if others use these!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artboy99 Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 What do folks think of these CGC bags? http://stores.ebay.com/CGC-Mylars/10-CGC-Resealable-Mylar-Bags-/_i.html?_fsub=4578802014&_sid=5071234&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 I really like them, they are crystal-clear and not as stiff as the CGC M2s, and won't bow out a standard CGC box, yet not super thin and crinkly like the BCE 1mil bags, . Just curious if others use these!! I use them and I like them alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticNinja Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 What do folks think of these CGC bags? http://stores.ebay.com/CGC-Mylars/10-CGC-Resealable-Mylar-Bags-/_i.html?_fsub=4578802014&_sid=5071234&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 I really like them, they are crystal-clear and not as stiff as the CGC M2s, and won't bow out a standard CGC box, yet not super thin and crinkly like the BCE 1mil bags, . Just curious if others use these!! I just stick with the standard 2 Mil Mylar. No need for anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quake1028 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I'm trying to place this small order from Hotflips: 1× Mylites 2 (GOLDEN AGE) 800M2 $14.00 1× E. Gerber 758 Half Backs BACKING BOARDS $12.00 I live in Florida. They are in New York? Shipping quote is more expensive than the items, for UPS Ground. What gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOTFLIPS Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I'm trying to place this small order from Hotflips: 1× Mylites 2 (GOLDEN AGE) 800M2 $14.00 1× E. Gerber 758 Half Backs BACKING BOARDS $12.00 I live in Florida. They are in New York? Shipping quote is more expensive than the items, for UPS Ground. What gives? PM me your zip code and I'll get you an accurate quote on Monday. Shipping calculator on our website is weird, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Hotflips, you should mention the weird shipping calculator thing on the front page of your website. Oh, wait... -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImageMask Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I'm trying to place this small order from Hotflips: 1× Mylites 2 (GOLDEN AGE) 800M2 $14.00 1× E. Gerber 758 Half Backs BACKING BOARDS $12.00 I live in Florida. They are in New York? Shipping quote is more expensive than the items, for UPS Ground. What gives? PM me your zip code and I'll get you an accurate quote on Monday. Shipping calculator on our website is weird, Jeff Yea, it's been that way for sometime. Ever think about fixing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quake1028 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Hotflips, you should mention the weird shipping calculator thing on the front page of your website. Oh, wait... -slym Well, ummm, see, my glaucoma, and my cat....ummm, and then there's my wife.....yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 :: -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Hotflips is so good,you'll get your bag and boards before your bank clears the payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Seeing that this question seems to show up in every single "what supplies should I be using?"-thread on these boards, I figured it was about time to show the visual differences between the various sizes of E Gerber mylar that can be purchased from board member Hotflips or E Gerber themselves. A couple of notes: - Mylites, Mylites2 and Archives are the same size across product numbers, the only difference between them is the weight (Mylites2 are twice the thickness of Mylites, Archives are twice the thickness of Mylites2) and the fact that the Archives are open at the top & have a 7/8" flap that cannot be folded over. - For this guide I'll be focusing on the 5 primary comic book sizes: Current (700), Standard (725), Silver/Gold (775), Gold (800), and Super Gold (825). The number in parantheses refers to the width of the product group - for instance all Gold-sized Mylites, Mylites2, and Archives are 8" wide. The height amongst these product groups never changes, however - it's always 10.5". - Picking out half-backs or full-backs for these mylars is easy - simply choose a half-back or full-back one size smaller than the mylar itself. For instance, the 700 half-back or full-back fits inside the 725 mylar. - I picked three random books to show inside the mylars: a Sandman #8 (modern book), a Daredevil #64 (silver age book), and a Black Terror #11 (golden age book), so feel free to ignore whatever doesn't apply to your specific collecting focus. - Yes, it annoys me as well that it's "Mylites2s" instead of "Mylite2s", but that's just how it is. - (Current) 700M2 and (Standard) 725M2 mylars are the only two sizes that will fit in a regular comic book box and a drawerbox - for all other sizes, you'll need to either use the E Gerber acid-free comic book boxes (which are wider than a regular comic book box), Magazine-sized boxes or CGC-sized boxes. Anyway ... on with the show - all scans have been cropped & resized to the same aspect ratio, so the mylar sizing differences should be obvious across the images. --------------------------------------- Modern book inside a Mylites2: For a modern book, my preferred size is the (Standard) 725M2 - it doesn't fit too tight, and can be used for BA and SA books as well. Stay clear of the (Current) 700M2 size - it's way too small for anything other than books printed within the last 10-15 years, and it just doesn't make sense to spend money on a mylar that only fits one very specific type of book. Modern book in Mylites2 (Current) 700M2 Modern book in Mylites2 (Standard) 725M2 Modern book in Mylites2 (Silver/Gold) 775M2 Modern book in Mylites2 (Gold) 800M2 Modern book in Mylites2 (Super Gold) 825M2 --------------------------------------- SA book inside a Mylites2: In a pinch, the SA book will fit inside a (Standard) 725M2 mylar, but I much prefer the larger sizes. A SA book will not fit inside a (Current) 700M2 mylar. SA book in Mylites2 (Standard) 725M2 SA book in Mylites2 (Silver/Gold) 775M2 SA book in Mylites2 (Gold) 800M2 SA book in Mylites2 (Super Gold) 825M2 --------------------------------------- GA book inside a Mylites2: My favorite here is the (Super Gold) 825M2 mylar - it takes oversize indies (like Cerebus #1) as well. A GA book will not fit inside anything smaller than a (Silver/Gold) 775M2 mylar, and even that feels a bit too tight for my liking. GA book in Mylites2 (Silver/Gold) 775M2 GA book in Mylites2 (Gold) 800M2 GA book in Mylites2 (Super Gold) 825M2 --------------------------------------- Modern book inside an Archive: Archives are open at the top, so make sure you stock up on E Gerber's grey acid-free boxes to store them in - I personally don't use Archives by themselves at all, only in combination with a Mylite or Mylite2 (the popular double-bagging combo). Seeing that Archives are a fair bit thicker than Mylites2 (which translates to a tighter fit around the book), you have to be much more careful sliding the books in & out - the reason I'm not attaching a scan of the (Current) 700R size below is because I was worried I'd damage my modern book trying to get it in there. Even the (Standard) 725R size seems too tight here because of the increased thickness. Modern book in Archive (Standard) 725R Modern book in Archive (Silver/Gold) 775R Modern book in Archive (Gold) 800R Modern book in Archive (Super Gold) 825R --------------------------------------- SA book inside an Archive: The SA book barely fits inside the (Standard) 725R mylar - I wouldn't recommend using it like this. SA book in Archive (Standard) 725R SA book in Archive (Silver/Gold) 775R SA book in Archive (Gold) 800R SA book in Archive (Super Gold) 825R --------------------------------------- GA book inside an Archive: The GA book barely fits inside the (Silver/Gold) 775R mylar - just like with the Mylites2, I much prefer the versatile (Super Gold) 825R size here. GA book in Archive (Silver/Gold) 775R GA book in Archive (Gold) 800R GA book in Archive (Super Gold) 825R --------------------------------------- Combos For more expensive books in my collection, I bust out the double-bagging Mylite+Archive or Mylites2+Archive combos - one combo for modern books, one combo for SA books. I've found that when you're doing combos there's really no need to use full-backs - half-backs will do just fine because you're doubling up the bag (you put one half-back in the inner bag next to the book, and one half-back in the outer bag for support). I also like using Mylites instead of Mylites2 - I find the Mylites too flimsy to use by themselves, but inside an Archive they work great. Of the SA combos below, my favorite is the one that uses the Mylites2 (Gold) 800M2 and the Archive (Super Gold) 825R. A tip: When you're using a combo, put the book inside the Mylite or Mylites2 with the flap at the bottom of the book - it makes it a lot easier to slide it in & out of the Archive. Modern book in Mylites2 (Standard) 725M2, which is then placed inside an Archive (Silver/Gold) 775R SA book in Mylites2 (Silver/Gold) 775M2, which is then placed inside an Archive (Gold) 800R SA book in Mylites2 (Silver/Gold) 775M2, which is then placed inside an Archive (Super Gold) 825R SA book in Mylites2 (Gold) 800M2, which is then placed inside an Archive (Super Gold) 825R --------------------------------------- CGC Bags For CGC slabs you have a couple of different options: Mylites2 (Legal Size) 914M2 fit a slab pretty well and look amazing, but are relatively pricey. Transplant also mentioned that due to their size & stiffness when put in a regular CGC box, they "make the box bow out some". He suggested using CGC Magazine-sized boxes instead. E Gerber, unfortunately, doesn't carry Mylites in the Legal Size, but Bill Cole Enterprises have 1 mil Mylar Arklites that are sized specifically for CGC slabs. Bill Cole & E Gerber share the same Mylar patent, so Arklites are completely identical to Mylites. Bill Cole products are horribly overpriced, though, so 50 CGC 1 mil Arklites actually cost more than 50 Legal Size Mylites2 (even though the Mylites2 are twice as thick). A lot of board members swear by the Hotflips CGC Flip-n-stick bags which are clear polybags with a reseable flap. Another option would be the Bags Unlimited resealable CGC bags which are very similar to the Hotflips Flip-n-stick bags; it seems like the Hotflips bags are clearer & cheaper, though. Good stuff.Very informative. I nominate this thread for a sticky! 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinnerSweet Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Another bump for this amazing thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John R Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 because this is a great thread and also because I have a question. Does anyone do this or suggest this? Rather than put tape on the back of the mylar, simply fold the flap into the back (between the board and the bag). Or does this allow more air into the bag thus harming the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 because this is a great thread and also because I have a question. Does anyone do this or suggest this? Rather than put tape on the back of the mylar, simply fold the flap into the back (between the board and the bag). Or does this allow more air into the bag thus harming the book? Air should not be a concern, as there is always a bit of room for the comic to breathe. Rather I am thinking that with Mylites the flap is not sagomated to fit nicely within the bag, and since Mylar, when folded, keeps the fold, I’m not sure it is a good idea. I think you may end un with unwanted creases in the flap or the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slym2none Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I just tape mine the same way I do my "regular" bags & boards. I do make little flaps at the end of the tape so I have something to grab onto and pull away, however. Even "magic" tape sticks to Mylar very strongly. (thumbs u -slym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwog Posted July 16, 2013 Share Posted July 16, 2013 I use the Obsessive-Compulsive method: I insert the book upside-down into the M2, so that the flap is at the bottom. Then I fold the flap towards the back cover and insert the M2, flap first, into an Archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted July 18, 2013 Share Posted July 18, 2013 Always trying to keep this awesome thread on the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
