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Tony Moore's Walking Dead Post TV Show OA asking prices are....

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

 

 

And neither of us can get our hourly rate on this discussion so ... :foryou:

 

Do you guys send CGC the bill directly for posting here and do you give them a "good guys" discount??

 

 

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

 

 

And neither of us can get our hourly rate on this discussion so ... :foryou:

 

Do you guys send CGC the bill directly for posting here and do you give them a "good guys" discount??

 

 

Well I don't bill hourly, I only eat what I kill.

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

 

 

And neither of us can get our hourly rate on this discussion so ... :foryou:

 

Do you guys send CGC the bill directly for posting here and do you give them a "good guys" discount??

 

 

Well I don't bill hourly, I only eat what I kill.

 

 

(checks to confirm no persons bearing subpoenas are knocking on the door)

 

(thumbs u Go get 'em, tiger!

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

 

And, as an addendum, he'd also outright admit to you it's about the money first too. He loves the pieces, but the money is also ultimately more important at certain prices. That's the reality. No passes here for anyone.

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

 

And, as an addendum, he'd also outright admit to you it's about the money first too. He loves the pieces, but the money is also ultimately more important at certain prices. That's the reality. No passes here for anyone.

 

Right...he may love the art, but he loves money more. That's a hard thing to admit and still have any credibility as a collector.

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

 

And, as an addendum, he'd also outright admit to you it's about the money first too. He loves the pieces, but the money is also ultimately more important at certain prices. That's the reality. No passes here for anyone.

 

Right...he may love the art, but he loves money more. That's a hard thing to admit and still have any credibility as a collector.

 

I think that depends Felix. I'm not really sure it matters what kind of "credibility" you assign, and maybe that's a difference in the OA v. comics world. i think the bottom line in either iworld s that if you have the money and are willing to pay the price, pretty much people sell you the pieces or the books, they don't care what you do with them afterwards. They're just gone.

 

I do love the books I buy but I also recognize that everything is for sale at a certain point. I've stopped saying "never going to sell" though for the most part I've hung onto my slabbed Action 242 and the Avengers 4 I picked up this year from storms seems unlikely to anywhere strictly based on eye appeal and the price point.

 

Listen, I understand the notion about money and collectors, but these days, everyone seems to have a price. Here (with the Moores) it was specifically being used as a justification for price, and that I do not buy as the reason.

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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

 

And, as an addendum, he'd also outright admit to you it's about the money first too. He loves the pieces, but the money is also ultimately more important at certain prices. That's the reality. No passes here for anyone.

 

Right...he may love the art, but he loves money more. That's a hard thing to admit and still have any credibility as a collector.

I agree, and I dont. There are very few books that could not be pried from my collection. But a few that it would take more than FMV admittedly.
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1.) Big red were one price last week.

 

2.) A show promoting big red came out in the interim.

 

3.) An unsolicited email was sent to you that read, "Hey! We now have big red in stock."

 

4.) Big red have now increased in price exponentially because we are finding it hard to part with them because they are close to our... um... heart.

 

However, outside of that, I'm just not feeling it, dude.

 

 

Jim,

These pages were NOT for sale last week. John was quoting numbers from over a year ago. You have no basis to say that the rose from last week to this week. It's just false and an assumption based on speculation.

 

Also, everyone who got that email had emailed Tony and Kara about WD or their art, or signed up to be emailed on their site. John admitted as much. HE INITIATED CONTACT with them last year, all the Moore's did was contact people who had contacted them about artwork as this was a significant update including several pages I have never seen them offer for sale before.

 

Maybe if you took the actual facts of what occurred into account, along with the actual prices and the actual time line...you'd "feel it" just fine. (shrug)

Chris,

 

I'm not ignoring any of the facts. The pages were one price at a given point in time. The WD TV show hit the airwaves. The pages have now risen in price exponentially. All they had to say was, "Yeah, we feel the WD is approaching a zenith in it's popularity and the new prices reflect this belief."

 

I understand the Moores are friends, and I'm sure they are nice people. However, I think all of this could have been handled better by all involved.

 

So prices are never allowed to go up on comic art? Seriously?

 

That's not what I said. Where does it say prices are not allowed to increase? You're as bad as JC.

 

No you're not, Dicey. And you don't need me to tell you that. No one's that bad. Not even me.

You know, come to think of it, I don't believe I have ever seen you and JC at odds with one another. I wonder... hm .

 

Nah, couldn't be. At some point, everyone is at odds with you, or JC for that matter. I'm going to assume the incident got lost in the shuffle... set adrift on the sands of time.

 

Oh, they have been. It's usually quite an enjoyable event.

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1.) Big red were one price last week.

 

2.) A show promoting big red came out in the interim.

 

3.) An unsolicited email was sent to you that read, "Hey! We now have big red in stock."

 

4.) Big red have now increased in price exponentially because we are finding it hard to part with them because they are close to our... um... heart.

 

However, outside of that, I'm just not feeling it, dude.

 

 

Jim,

These pages were NOT for sale last week. John was quoting numbers from over a year ago. You have no basis to say that the rose from last week to this week. It's just false and an assumption based on speculation.

 

Also, everyone who got that email had emailed Tony and Kara about WD or their art, or signed up to be emailed on their site. John admitted as much. HE INITIATED CONTACT with them last year, all the Moore's did was contact people who had contacted them about artwork as this was a significant update including several pages I have never seen them offer for sale before.

 

Maybe if you took the actual facts of what occurred into account, along with the actual prices and the actual time line...you'd "feel it" just fine. (shrug)

Chris,

 

I'm not ignoring any of the facts. The pages were one price at a given point in time. The WD TV show hit the airwaves. The pages have now risen in price exponentially. All they had to say was, "Yeah, we feel the WD is approaching a zenith in it's popularity and the new prices reflect this belief."

 

I understand the Moores are friends, and I'm sure they are nice people. However, I think all of this could have been handled better by all involved.

 

So prices are never allowed to go up on comic art? Seriously?

 

That's not what I said. Where does it say prices are not allowed to increase? You're as bad as JC.

 

No you're not, Dicey. And you don't need me to tell you that. No one's that bad. Not even me.

You know, come to think of it, I don't believe I have ever seen you and JC at odds with one another. I wonder... hm .

 

Nah, couldn't be. At some point, everyone is at odds with you, or JC for that matter. I'm going to assume the incident got lost in the shuffle... set adrift on the sands of time.

 

Oh, they have been. It's usually quite an enjoyable event.

 

Yes, like listening to a schizophrenic fall out with himself :acclaim:

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I just wanted to post that I just had a long and civil conversation with John (The OP) on this entire topic.

 

John stands by his surprise over the prices of the art, but he admits that, if given the chance to do it over again, he would have handled things differently.

 

With his permission, I can say that he did tell me that he never intended to make it seem like the Moore's were not being truthful in their desire to keep items they find personally important unless they attain a "no regrets" price. Some people in this thread have taken the OP's posts and the Moore's emails out of context and used them to purport that the Moore's are lying about their motivations. John told me that he never intended to give that impression and that he doesn't think they are being anything less than truthful.

 

While he was disappointed with not being able to attain the artwork he liked, he did say that he regrets what this thread turned into and would have done things differently a second time around if given a chance.

 

He was civil on the phone, admitted that insulting Mr. Moore was a mistake and something he should not have done and doesn't want the perception of what happened to get away from what really happened. He doesn't agree with the pricing, but he doesn't think the Moore's are bad people, or liars.

 

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

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I just wanted to post that I just had a long and civil conversation with John (The OP) on this entire topic.

 

John stands by his surprise over the prices of the art, but he admits that, if given the chance to do it over again, he would have handled things differently.

 

With his permission, I can say that he did tell me that he never intended to make it seem like the Moore's were not being truthful in their desire to keep items they find personally important unless they attain a "no regrets" price. Some people in this thread have taken the OP's posts and the Moore's emails out of context and used them to purport that the Moore's are lying about their motivations. John told me that he never intended to give that impression and that he doesn't think they are being anything less than truthful.

 

While he was disappointed with not being able to attain the artwork he liked, he did say that he regrets what this thread turned into and would have done things differently a second time around if given a chance.

 

He was civil on the phone, admitted that insulting Mr. Moore was a mistake and something he should not have done and doesn't want the perception of what happened to get away from what really happened. He doesn't agree with the pricing, but he doesn't think the Moore's are bad people, or liars.

 

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

So John is a big, fat jerk. And Tony Moore charges too much for WD art.

 

Thread over. :insane:

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I just wanted to post that I just had a long and civil conversation with John (The OP) on this entire topic.

 

John stands by his surprise over the prices of the art, but he admits that, if given the chance to do it over again, he would have handled things differently.

 

With his permission, I can say that he did tell me that he never intended to make it seem like the Moore's were not being truthful in their desire to keep items they find personally important unless they attain a "no regrets" price. Some people in this thread have taken the OP's posts and the Moore's emails out of context and used them to purport that the Moore's are lying about their motivations. John told me that he never intended to give that impression and that he doesn't think they are being anything less than truthful.

 

While he was disappointed with not being able to attain the artwork he liked, he did say that he regrets what this thread turned into and would have done things differently a second time around if given a chance.

 

He was civil on the phone, admitted that insulting Mr. Moore was a mistake and something he should not have done and doesn't want the perception of what happened to get away from what really happened. He doesn't agree with the pricing, but he doesn't think the Moore's are bad people, or liars.

 

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

About time he hired someone to handle his PR. (worship)

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I just wanted to post that I just had a long and civil conversation with John (The OP) on this entire topic.

 

John stands by his surprise over the prices of the art, but he admits that, if given the chance to do it over again, he would have handled things differently.

 

With his permission, I can say that he did tell me that he never intended to make it seem like the Moore's were not being truthful in their desire to keep items they find personally important unless they attain a "no regrets" price. Some people in this thread have taken the OP's posts and the Moore's emails out of context and used them to purport that the Moore's are lying about their motivations. John told me that he never intended to give that impression and that he doesn't think they are being anything less than truthful.

 

While he was disappointed with not being able to attain the artwork he liked, he did say that he regrets what this thread turned into and would have done things differently a second time around if given a chance.

 

He was civil on the phone, admitted that insulting Mr. Moore was a mistake and something he should not have done and doesn't want the perception of what happened to get away from what really happened. He doesn't agree with the pricing, but he doesn't think the Moore's are bad people, or liars.

 

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

So John is a big, fat jerk. And Tony Moore charges too much for WD art.

 

Thread over. :insane:

John is actually skinny-ish.
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I just wanted to post that I just had a long and civil conversation with John (The OP) on this entire topic.

 

John stands by his surprise over the prices of the art, but he admits that, if given the chance to do it over again, he would have handled things differently.

 

With his permission, I can say that he did tell me that he never intended to make it seem like the Moore's were not being truthful in their desire to keep items they find personally important unless they attain a "no regrets" price. Some people in this thread have taken the OP's posts and the Moore's emails out of context and used them to purport that the Moore's are lying about their motivations. John told me that he never intended to give that impression and that he doesn't think they are being anything less than truthful.

 

While he was disappointed with not being able to attain the artwork he liked, he did say that he regrets what this thread turned into and would have done things differently a second time around if given a chance.

 

He was civil on the phone, admitted that insulting Mr. Moore was a mistake and something he should not have done and doesn't want the perception of what happened to get away from what really happened. He doesn't agree with the pricing, but he doesn't think the Moore's are bad people, or liars.

 

Just wanted to put that out there.

 

About time he hired someone to handle his PR. (worship)

John isnt Puerto Rican, I think hes Irish. Which I wont hold against him.
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Brian. You shouldnt have posted.... This thread is a massive pile of dung. I read very little, said the same thing you did and was flamed for it. Apparently this dude is some sort of patron saint and speaking poorly of hime leads to exile.

 

Enh, the bottom line is basically this, there's a few guys who know him well and really like him. I've never been interested in buying his OA, so you can't say I'm whining over the prices.

 

I understand people like him, he may be a super nice guy etc. I'm sure he is (anyone Jesperson is good friends with, I think are generally good people). But I do think that it's a little disingenuous to say I "love" something -- and that's the reason for the high prices. No, it's because your book is super hot right now so I want to try and cash in and I don't want to give it away.

 

And that's cool. But you know, can we for once be honest? We're doing it for the money. Pressers are doing it for the money. We're trying to flip books for the money. I take the big contract where ever to play for that team... for the money.

 

All this other stuff about the artist selling for whatever he wants is all true -- I don't see anyone contradicting it. Sticker it for $1million -- who cares? Just don't tell me that you're doing it for anything else other than the money. That's what I hate about artists who try to sell me on their "craft" instead of the ultimate bottom line.

 

I can have debate with Chris or Jon or Anthony and I never feel it's personal or anything else though. They have their point of view, I have mine and I think the discussion is healthy. But I made my point and I didn't want to spend 20 more pages making them or I defend it. Now that's it's going that long anyway, I'm just weighing in. But those guys make good and fair points as well on the other side about Tony and i appreciate that perspective, I just want to keep it "real".

 

I don't understand why the Moores upset you so much when they never said they "love" their art. They said it was "personal" to them.

 

On the other hand, you and I both know at least one person who HAS said they "love" their art...but it's always for sale. They love it, they just can't seem to ever hold onto it. My take is that it's "ultimately all about the money" (your quote regarding the Moores). It would seem that you would think the same. Do they get a pass because they're your friend? Are they less disingenuous than the Moores?

 

I'm all for keeping it "real", too (thumbs u

 

No I'd be the very first person to tell you that it's all about the money for them too.

 

And, as an addendum, he'd also outright admit to you it's about the money first too. He loves the pieces, but the money is also ultimately more important at certain prices. That's the reality. No passes here for anyone.

 

Right...he may love the art, but he loves money more. That's a hard thing to admit and still have any credibility as a collector.

 

I think that depends Felix. I'm not really sure it matters what kind of "credibility" you assign, and maybe that's a difference in the OA v. comics world. i think the bottom line in either iworld s that if you have the money and are willing to pay the price, pretty much people sell you the pieces or the books, they don't care what you do with them afterwards. They're just gone.

 

I do love the books I buy but I also recognize that everything is for sale at a certain point. I've stopped saying "never going to sell" though for the most part I've hung onto my slabbed Action 242 and the Avengers 4 I picked up this year from storms seems unlikely to anywhere strictly based on eye appeal and the price point.

 

Listen, I understand the notion about money and collectors, but these days, everyone seems to have a price. Here (with the Moores) it was specifically being used as a justification for price, and that I do not buy as the reason.

 

In this thread, I've already said that I'm all for the Moores asking whatever they want for their art, whether they "love" it or not. There's a difference, though. Tony Moore drew the art. He created it. He didn't acquire the art from someone else by saying he "loved" it and wanted it for his collection, when he planned on re-selling it for a mark-up.

 

That speaks to a buyer's credibility.

 

From what I've seen, you're very upfront about flipping books, and believe it or not, I appreciate your candor. Because you're right, any pretense otherwise is silly. I have no problem with dealers or flipping. Like you, it's the "love" part that I find ridiculous.

 

Speaking of justification for prices, our mutual acquaintance once said he priced something above market to "protect it against flipping". You have to admit that's ironic, at least.

 

Look, I don't mean to single out your friend. He and I have had our private discussions about this and it's all good. Just seemed that your many posts in this thread about the Moores were inconsistent with how you might speak to/about someone you know. Thanks for clarifying.

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