Why does anyone really care about Werewolf by night #32 ?

[The Amazing Chump]

Who are you a shill for since my troll senses are tingling!

 

Troll successful, +5 internets. (thumbs u

[TheUrologist]

My advice: start buying up CGC 9.8 machine man 19's! Jack O' Lantern (D list enemy?) is being brought back and the 1st app is in a crappy, low production title despite an A list artist (ditko), cover by F Miller, final issue and DeFalco story. Then you can drive the price up artifically without needing Wizard.

 

Aside... I would love to see a Hobgoblin, Green Goblin Jack O'lantern brawl. Oh did I change topics. my bad.

[Mumford's Comics]

Originally Posted By: mumfio

Whisp-"Oh I have read your posts and I did that on purpose to get you to state thus again that you like Moon Knight thus proving my point you are another person that likes the character even if you don't think he is an A or B level character. There is many people out there that think the same way and like the character even if he is not top rated and because of this demand on the book is higher.

 

We are also in times since around 2005 where collectors wanted more grittier and dark reading and movies thus he is fitting right in."

 

Mumfio-Comics have been gritty since the mid to late 80's. Ever heard of The Dark Knight or The Watchmen? You could also point out to the 70's with the Amazing Spider-man where Gwen Stacy had her neck snapped or the next issue where the Green Goblin was impaled by his glider and "killed".You are a lost cause on this. You are for some reason being personally offended by my post. All I have stated is that the high guide price doesn't coincide with the character's impact(or lack of impact) on the comic landscape. There really should be no argument on this.

 

Whisp-

Im the lost cause?

 

And I am not offended but just showing the reasoning behind why it is which was your question in the first place, but no matter the reasoning we give you you keep going on and on that it is not worth the price. Well guess what, I don't need to argue it since the market dictates the price and not me thus it proves you wrong.

 

On top of that you are misinformed as to how the series have really been doing. Marvel would not waste so much resources after 5 years in which we are going into a 6th year if the character was not popular enough to deem so thus again your arguments are mute.

 

 

Who are you a shill for since my troll senses are tingling!

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Mumfio-

Here's a "troll" giving you just a small sample of links proving what you keep stating about how great the sales are for Moon Knight are dead wrong (as I expected). I could be like Charlie Sheen & say I'm winning, but that should already be painfully obvious.

 

 

 

Sales Figures

 

http://www.comicvine.com/moon-knight/29-1493/sales-figures/92-596991/

 

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=265994&page=2

 

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=234930

[mackenzie999]

I think AF15 is utter , and I intend to start several threads just like this one about it. I will slowly wear you all down until you come to agree with me, realize the book is just taking up space in your collection and dump them cheaply.

 

Then, finally, maybe I can afford one!

[Mumford's Comics]

I think AF15 is utter , and I intend to start several threads just like this one about it. I will slowly wear you all down until you come to agree with me, realize the book is just taking up space in your collection and dump them cheaply.

 

Then, finally, maybe I can afford one!

 

I would definitely buy AF15 because it's the 1st appearance of Spider-Man. People spend that kind of money to get a return on their investment, not for the love of it. Otherwise, everybody would just buy reprints or reader's copies.

 

There was a poster who just got back a CGC 9.8 copy of WWBN 32. The poster's sale price for this comic is $4400. If this poster gets that price then more power to him. In all my 30+ years as a collector/investor/seller, I've never met anyone who has even mentioned Moon Knight or Jonah Hex for that matter. I just feel based on the character's history of failed series, an investor would have a hard time getting a return on that investment.

 

[sl4ppy]

 

If you had bought a WBN 32 in *any* grade 8-10 years ago, and sold it 2 years ago, you'd have easily tripled your money.

 

300% return in 6-8 years it stupid good, warranted or not. It's too bad you think MK sucks and missed out on that opportunity.

 

 

edit: you must be one of those "investors" who doesn't really "like" a company like Google for whatever reason, so when given the opportunity to invest you pass. Sure you didn't lose anything, but you didnt gain anything either.

[Mumford's Comics]

 

If you had bought a WBN 32 in *any* grade 8-10 years ago, and sold it 2 years ago, you'd have easily tripled your money.

 

300% return in 6-8 years it stupid good, warranted or not. It's too bad you think MK sucks and missed out on that opportunity.

 

That's because the Wizard magazine "tip". Are you thinking about the bargain price of $4400 for a CGC 9.8? Do you think Moon Knight would be a good long term investment after spending $4400 for that book?

 

I remember about a year and half ago, Comiclink had an auction where Luke Cage,Hero for Hire 1 CGC 9.8 highest graded 1 of 1 went for over $13,000. I am sure a lot had to do with the 1 of 1 highest grade. Now upon checking the census there are 3 listed at 9.8. I thought that price was crazy & that it would be very difficult to get a return on that investment. Now that there are 2 more do you think the price is going to go up? I know I don't.

 

Also,when did I ever waver from stating I like Moon Knight? Does anybody actually read posts on these forums? Whether we on this forum like Moon Knight or not isn't the point. The numbers don't lie, most collectors do not buy Moon Knight solo series for any extended period of time. I previously posted links that prove this very point.

[sl4ppy]

Who cares why it went up. The fact is that it did. Capitalize on it or don't; that's your choice. But don't complain that you don't understand why or that it's undeserved. That's pointless.

 

[VintageComics]

I think it's a cool book only because it's more difficult to find in higher grades than surrounding copies.

 

I just picked up the only high grade copy I have ever owned, except for a color touched copy that I picked up a few years ago.

 

(thumbs u

[Mumford's Comics]

Who cares why it went up. The fact is that it did. Capitalize on it or don't; that's your choice. But don't complain that you don't understand why or that it's undeserved. That's pointless.

 

Pointless to you. Your opinion. Just like I have an opinion. People who invest thousands on 1 comic should do so with sound reasoning. You said it yourself, if I had sold 2 years ago I would have made 300% return. That means it's not such a good investment now, using your own words. Your statement seems to be about short term investment whereas mine has been long term throughout all my posts.

 

 

[mackenzie999]

People spend that kind of money to get a return on their investment, not for the love of it. Otherwise, everybody would just buy reprints or reader's copies.

 

You may not be the best guy to speak for "everybody."

 

Most of us love comics for the art and stories, sure, but many also love the look, feel, even the smell of the old paper that you don't experience with a reprint. Handling a book that has lived for 40+ years, wondering who else has owned it, where it was originally sold, who drew that hideous sharpie spider on the cover, etc. An original AF15 is much more than just a story about some nerdy kid with a bugbite.

 

edit: woops, I missed where you mention readers' copies. never mind.

[OldGuy]

Superman is faster.

[seanfingh]

 

I think this thread should be renamed "Why doesn't anyone care about the quote function?"

[sl4ppy]

At the risk of beating this dead horse into oblivion, I'll leave with this; anyone who considers comics a true investment (in the sense of a safe place to put money with the reasonable expectation of growth in value) should have their head checked. Sure you can point to a few anecdotal events where someone make big money on book, but the odds are vastly, vastly stacked against you; akin to winning the lottery. There are 10's of thousands of better places to put the same money for a guaranteed better return.

 

The vast majority of us that do put any sizeable amount of money in comics do it far more for the love of the medium or the character than any legitimate investment purposes. I don't hear of scads of dealers retiring in the lap of luxury after years running the Con circuit.

 

Lamenting over a comics misunderstood or irrational popularity is a ridiculous waste of time. You might as well try to predict the next fad in american society.

[Mumford's Comics]

At the risk of beating this dead horse into oblivion, I'll leave with this; anyone who considers comics a true investment (in the sense of a reasonable place to put money with the expectation of growth) should have their head checked. Sure you can point to a few anecdotal events where someone make big money on book, but the odds are vastly, vastly stacked against you; akin to winning the lottery. There are 10's of thousands of better places to put the same money for a guaranteed better return.

 

The vast majority of us that do put any sizeable amount of money in comics do it far more for the love of the medium or the character than any legitimate investment purposes.

 

Lamenting over a comics misunderstood or irrational popularity is a ridiculous waste of time. You might as well try to predict the next fad in american society.

 

People don't spend any serious money for the love of the medium, they do it for return on investment. CGC wouldn't exist if people were in it for the love of the medium.

 

Recent history shows more & more investors are diversifying into comics from other markets. When they hear about Detective Comics #27 selling for over a $1,000,000.00 they get interested.

 

examples - http://www.observertoday.com/page/content.detail/id/539467/Investing-in-comic-books.html?nav=5060

 

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/MutualFunds/5-investments-more-precious-than-gold.aspx

 

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/comic_books_top_stocks_as_investment/

[paperheart]

At the risk of beating this dead horse into oblivion, I'll leave with this; anyone who considers comics a true investment (in the sense of a reasonable place to put money with the expectation of growth) should have their head checked. Sure you can point to a few anecdotal events where someone make big money on book, but the odds are vastly, vastly stacked against you; akin to winning the lottery. There are 10's of thousands of better places to put the same money for a guaranteed better return.

 

The vast majority of us that do put any sizeable amount of money in comics do it far more for the love of the medium or the character than any legitimate investment purposes.

 

Lamenting over a comics misunderstood or irrational popularity is a ridiculous waste of time. You might as well try to predict the next fad in american society.

 

People don't spend any serious money for the love of the medium, they do it for return on investment. CGC wouldn't exist if people were in it for the love of the medium.

 

Recent history shows more & more investors are diversifying into comics from other markets. When they hear about Detective Comics #27 selling for over a $1,000,000.00 they get interested.

 

examples - http://www.observertoday.com/page/content.detail/id/539467/Investing-in-comic-books.html?nav=5060

 

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/MutualFunds/5-investments-more-precious-than-gold.aspx

 

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/comic_books_top_stocks_as_investment/

 

utter bollocks.

[500Club]

Also,when did I ever waver from stating I like Moon Knight? Does anybody actually read posts on these forums? Whether we on this forum like Moon Knight or not isn't the point. The numbers don't lie, most collectors do not buy Moon Knight solo series for any extended period of time. I previously posted links that prove this very point.

 

I'll buy and read well written and drawn Moon Knight books all day long. I suspect that is typical for many collectors who recall the Moench/Sienkiewicz run fondly.

[Rodey]

At the risk of beating this dead horse into oblivion, I'll leave with this; anyone who considers comics a true investment (in the sense of a reasonable place to put money with the expectation of growth) should have their head checked. Sure you can point to a few anecdotal events where someone make big money on book, but the odds are vastly, vastly stacked against you; akin to winning the lottery. There are 10's of thousands of better places to put the same money for a guaranteed better return.

 

The vast majority of us that do put any sizeable amount of money in comics do it far more for the love of the medium or the character than any legitimate investment purposes.

 

Lamenting over a comics misunderstood or irrational popularity is a ridiculous waste of time. You might as well try to predict the next fad in american society.

 

People don't spend any serious money for the love of the medium, they do it for return on investment. CGC wouldn't exist if people were in it for the love of the medium.

 

Recent history shows more & more investors are diversifying into comics from other markets. When they hear about Detective Comics #27 selling for over a $1,000,000.00 they get interested.

 

examples - http://www.observertoday.com/page/content.detail/id/539467/Investing-in-comic-books.html?nav=5060

 

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/MutualFunds/5-investments-more-precious-than-gold.aspx

 

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/comic_books_top_stocks_as_investment/

 

utter bollocks.

 

Double Bollocks

[the blob]

What exactly is "rough" or "weak" about this post? The fact remains Moon Knight isn't a character that will ever threaten wolverine or spider-man in popularity. This may be an extreme example but I think you get my point.

 

And WWBN 32 isn't a particularly expensive book vs. it's pseudo-contemporary Hulk 181 (or ASM 129). It's expensive in 9.8 (and maybe 9.6) because for whatever reason the book isn't easy to find in those grades.

 

I guess Moonie has had about as much success as Spiderwoman in the last 35 years (well...maybe not, because Spiderwoman didn't have a late 80's - 90's series, did she?) and yes, his # 32 is a lot more expensive than her's, but it was almost 2 years earlier and Spotlight 32 is on the other side of the hoarder/speculator/direct market historical fence and my guess is that there are more of them out there than WWBN 32. It is in about the same ballpark as the 1st app of Iron Fist OPG-wise though, which sounds about right.

[DinnerB-migration]

I think it's a cool book only because it's more difficult to find in higher grades than surrounding copies.

 

I just picked up the only high grade copy I have ever owned, except for a color touched copy that I picked up a few years ago.

 

(thumbs u

 

238 graded in 9.0 and above.