A week for RMA

[comix4fun]

So you can't stand the guy, yet you post just like him, debate just like him, and selectively ignore parts of opposing arguments just like him.

 

If you had a whole mess of people jumping down your throat when you did this and being really not nice about it...who knows how you'd react.

 

 

 

In order for you to put some weight behind this statement, you will have to explain your definition of manhood and what it has to do with the concept of a person taking responsibility for his behavior, as well as how it aligns with the concept of a person sticking up for what he feels is right. Otherwise your statement is empty and meaningless. Obviously you view manhood as meaning that a person turns a blind eye to things and never takes action when he feels something wrong is occurring. I have to heartily and most steadfastly disagree with your position there.

 

 

Wait a couple paragraphs and you say something about how you agree that it impossible to really know a person from what they post online. Which part of your post is true? They both can't be.

 

Frankly, the level of exaggeration you are engaging in is really undercutting your overall argument. RMA disagreed with people, he didn't actually or theoretically threaten anyone, he argued with them...and they argued back. Shocking, I know.

 

In the real world, when people don't get along they argue. In the real world people usually don't have a messiah complex to the point where they inject themselves into someone else's argument when two adults are disagreeing. There was no danger to anyone here.

 

If there were danger, that's what MODS are for. Not self-appointed ones...ACTUAL ones.

 

Don't turn this into you needing to save someone as some moral obligation where I am obviously lacking. What I have, is perspective, experience, and actual knowledge. You have replaced those with conjecture, supposition and assumption about motivations and perceived dangers.

 

I've got several years as an LEO and more than a decade an a half as an advocate. So I get more than just a giggle when YOU tell ME what MY definition of manhood and responsibility are. However you had no way of knowing that. You've replaced learning about someone with conjecturing about someone and claiming them congruent.

 

There's no replacement for actually getting to know someone. Short cutting the process and labeling someone a "Bully" or "Philistine" may shrink the world to a manageable size, easy to digest, but you don't get an inch closer to really understanding any of it.

 

I know what manhood isn't. It's not riding to the rescue of a 40+ dude typing on a comic message board and not enjoying that someone's disagreeing with him. It's also not particularly manly to exaggerate said disagreements into something they aren't and never will be.

[mschmidt]

So what you are saying is every time you see 1 or 2 or 6 guys all laying into one guy you feel the need to defend the one guy?

No, that's not what I said and it is nowhere implied in my message.

 

So what you are saying is, if you see a guy being bullied, you should step in and help him...unless it's RMA?

 

There were between 6 and 12 people following every single one of RMA's posts and threads and jumping down his throat. Should RMA have kept up the debate? No. Should RMA have walked away? Probably. Would you or I or anyone else respond in 100% the right way every time with that many people chomping at the bit to attack us? I highly doubt it.

 

There aren't many logical ways to reconcile your analogy, and your expectations of what it means to be a "man", with how you've responded to and handled RMA.

 

The thing you are missing, the thing you can't admit, is that if anything RMA said, or did, or baited, or provoked, or trolled, or annoyed the person in question with was really all that bad he could have EASILY ignored RMA and walked away.

 

Or RMA can start acting like a decent human being and knock it off with the never-ending stream of baiting, provoking, trolling, self-aggrandizing and name-calling. I've had him on ignore for almost 2 years now, so all I ever see from him is what other people quote, but as far as I can tell, that's about 99% of what he's been contributing to this board lately - he jumps on an argument (any argument will do) like a shark sensing blood in the water, immediately lays into people for being fools, buffoons or oafs, and quickly starts alternating between passive-aggressive trolling, outright belittlement and playing the victim.

 

He's like the guest that shows up uninvited at your house, drags his muddy boots all over your new carpet, drinks all your beer and then insults your wife - are you telling me that, in real life, you'd put up with even a minute of his b/s without kicking his out the door?

 

I'm not here to create drama nor to puff up my own self-worth by mercilessly beating people into the ground over minute trivia. I'm here because I enjoy collecting & discussing comic books. So why on earth should I have to put people on ignore because they lack even the most rudimentary social skills to function in a setting such as this?

[PovertyRow]

There's physical bullying and there is cyber bullying.

 

Neither is acceptable.

 

 

Again absolutely true.

 

I represented the family of a girl, whose classmates signed her up for dozens of pornographic websites, posted her address on craigslist as an escort for hire, with her home address and phone number and photograph listed. She tried to kill herself.

 

THAT'S Cyber Bullying.

 

Having seen the real thing. I don't think two 30-40 something year old men having a disagreement on a forum is cyber bullying.

 

 

 

So you are basically saying that murder is a valid crime but being cut with a knife by someone, say, on the arm, is not a valid crime because it does not compare with murder?

 

[comix4fun]

There's physical bullying and there is cyber bullying.

 

Neither is acceptable.

 

Again absolutely true.

 

I represented the family of a girl, whose classmates signed her up for dozens of pornographic websites, posted her address on craigslist as an escort for hire, with her home address and phone number and photograph listed. She tried to kill herself.

 

THAT'S Cyber Bullying.

 

Having seen the real thing. I don't think two 30-40 something year old men having a disagreement on a forum is cyber bullying.

 

What constitutes bullying is subjective and impossible to define without at least some ambiguity. But whether you define online behavior toward others as bullying, baiting, trolling or just generally being an as*hole, almost all major forums regulate standards of conduct. Granted, some are more strict than others. The moderator (or moderators) in this case obviously felt in their judgment RMA's conduct was crossing their line. And I don't think there's any question that he's a very controversial board member, and that controversy was certainly earned.

 

 

 

I prefer J-Hole to A-Hole. I don't know the difference, but it seems beefier.

[Doohickamabob]

My opinion is just that an opinion. Pulling out of my azz and trying to justify that same as fact (or articulating the reasons) is disingenuous. Psychobabble 101.

Sorry you think I pulled my opinion out of my . Too bad you don't have the will or the attention span to actually read my valid reasons for my viewpoint.

Yes, clearly trolling RMA in that thread and posting cop out is an admirable thing. Cop out is substantive?

For the record, I posted "That's a cop-out" to four of his messages which were the equivalent of "Naa-naaa, I'm not listening!" Maybe I should have only posted it a couple of times? Nonetheless I find your claims of equivalence without merit.

[USArmyParatrooper]

No one's apologizing for anything and certainly no one is saying RMA did nothing wrong.

Glad to see you at least backhandedly admit RMA's behavior was questioanble.

However, hanging onto an argument too long...

Dude, it's the next day.

 

Get over yourself. RMA's not even here and you're strutting around the yard, clucking like a hen.

You're trolling the man and he's not even here.

 

I guess you're spiking the proverbial football.

Go fist yourself, mouth-breather.

 

He's arguing that the strike RMA received is not without merit. Did he say something in particular that you consider trolling? Or does the mere fact that he's arguing the strike was justified constitute trolling?

 

[comix4fun]

There's physical bullying and there is cyber bullying.

 

Neither is acceptable.

 

 

Again absolutely true.

 

I represented the family of a girl, whose classmates signed her up for dozens of pornographic websites, posted her address on craigslist as an escort for hire, with her home address and phone number and photograph listed. She tried to kill herself.

 

THAT'S Cyber Bullying.

 

Having seen the real thing. I don't think two 30-40 something year old men having a disagreement on a forum is cyber bullying.

 

 

 

So you are basically saying that murder is a valid crime but being cut with a knife by someone, say, on the arm, is not a valid crime because it does not compare with murder?

 

 

No I am saying murder is an actual crime, and hurting your feelings because you can't debate well on a flipping comic message board isn't.

[PovertyRow]

 

1) We all crave attention. Otherwise we would not post.

 

Many people post to seek information and/or opinions. Or to just share ideas or acquisitions with like minded folk. Does that necessitate "craving attention"?

 

PS - before you answer please note I replied to you and hopefully gave you a titch of the attention you seem to crave.

[Doohickamabob]

If there's a troll here, I think you and Dookiedickathrob fit in that category.

In what sense am I trolling here? I stand by the things I am saying and with limited exceptions, I have been expressing myself without resorting to ad-hominem or insult. "Trolling" has a specific definition in which a person purposely posts things with the intent to push people's buttons and get a reaction. I am not trying to manipulate people or provoke their worst responses, so I don't consider myself a troll. I am genuinely sorry you do.

 

[PovertyRow]

There's physical bullying and there is cyber bullying.

 

Neither is acceptable.

 

 

Again absolutely true.

 

I represented the family of a girl, whose classmates signed her up for dozens of pornographic websites, posted her address on craigslist as an escort for hire, with her home address and phone number and photograph listed. She tried to kill herself.

 

THAT'S Cyber Bullying.

 

Having seen the real thing. I don't think two 30-40 something year old men having a disagreement on a forum is cyber bullying.

 

 

 

So you are basically saying that murder is a valid crime but being cut with a knife by someone, say, on the arm, is not a valid crime because it does not compare with murder?

 

 

No I am saying murder is an actual crime, and hurting your feelings because you can't debate well on a flipping comic message board isn't.

 

Why did you side-step my comparison? Are you saying someone slicing me with a knife on the arm without provocation is not a crime?

[DiceX]

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I meant for you to show me where you acted like an adult when talking to RMA.

It takes two to tango, and RMA seems to have to tango with all you mouth-breathers at the same time. If there's a troll here, I think you and Dookiedickathrob fit in that category.

 

And please tell me how "adult" your last post to me was. If you want to throw down, I'm your huckleberry. Just know that you're not in the right league to tackle me. You best call in the posse, bro.

 

 

I find your online bravado and chest beating confidence so laughable and entertaining at the same time.

 

My last post was in reaction to your immature jab at me. You know the one insinuating my posts in general (or now that you clarified it to pertain to RMA) are not acting like an adult or someone mature. And that until I prove it to you, you won't read or consider my post as being valid or worthy of your attention. So I showed you that I treat mostly everyone else with respect on this forum. A select few (including RMA) like to push buttons and act like the schoolyard bully. People like you DiceX excuse it and those that call out this type of bullying are the trolls? You are the troll. You are a sycophant for those with the inflated post counts and yuck it up at other peoples expense.

 

So yeah, I'll call it like I see it. I think RMA was given a week vaca because he implied a threat to mikenyc. Go read it. I called RMA out on it in the probation thread and I think he deserved a strike for it. I have never crossed that line here and we shouldn't tolerate it. That's the type of immature behavior I'm talking about.

 

Look, I'm not afraid of anyone's words on here and I'll be glad to go toe to toe with you. But when it gets to the point that someone says they could possibly use info against someone in-person gleaned on this forum... None of us should stand by and tolerate it. If you do, you are as bad as the person doing it.

 

 

I asked you to show me where you acted like an adult to RMA. I never said you were tolling everyone on the board. You troll RMA. You wait for him to say it's cold outside and try to spin the conversation into some type of interrogation.

 

RMA wouldn't argue with you if you'd put him on ignore and IGNORE him.

I agree that RMA should do the same to you, but I'm talking to you now. You're half of the problem. You are a troll. You troll RMA. You are a troll.

 

Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

As for *us*, you are the one that took it to the immature level. (Hypocrite) In the same post you were pointing that finger at RMA. (Hypocrite) If you want to throw out names and try to make everyone laugh, you can bet I can play that game. (Hypocrite)

 

I'm trying to spell everything out for you so you understand what I'm saying.

So get over yourself, too. You're as guilty as RMA is. If you didn't troll him, he wouldn't argue with you.

 

 

[comix4fun]

I think the problem arises in the varying definition of what abuse is. I don't think disagreeing with someone is abusing them.

So you're saying that the ONLY thing RMA does is "disagree" with people? Would you say he disagrees respectfully and in a goodwilled, conciliatory manner? I am very curious to hear exactly how you characterize RMA's campaign of, um, disagreeing with people.

 

 

Oh hell no. He goes off the deep end at times, dissecting posts. Posting one sentence at a time. Rolling around in the minutiae of a post and going line by line. Really loving himself and his posts in the process.

 

I mean, who does that?

 

Anyway, RMA is dogged, and doesn't stop, and doesn't let go.

 

He makes great, logical arguments the first time around, but then further engages to the point where it feels like a migraine fest.

 

Most people would make the point once or twice and let it go. RMA can't do that a lot of the time.

 

However, I can't abide the exaggeration of his words to something more sinister or violent. Common sense is standing in my way with a bat to beat some sense into me if I try it.

[comix4fun]

There's physical bullying and there is cyber bullying.

 

Neither is acceptable.

 

 

Again absolutely true.

 

I represented the family of a girl, whose classmates signed her up for dozens of pornographic websites, posted her address on craigslist as an escort for hire, with her home address and phone number and photograph listed. She tried to kill herself.

 

THAT'S Cyber Bullying.

 

Having seen the real thing. I don't think two 30-40 something year old men having a disagreement on a forum is cyber bullying.

 

 

 

So you are basically saying that murder is a valid crime but being cut with a knife by someone, say, on the arm, is not a valid crime because it does not compare with murder?

 

 

No I am saying murder is an actual crime, and hurting your feelings because you can't debate well on a flipping comic message board isn't.

 

Why did you side-step my comparison? Are you saying someone slicing me with a knife on the arm without provocation is not a crime?

 

Your comparison identified two actual different crimes, but both crimes.

 

My post identified something that's actually a crime and something that's NOT a crime, anywhere.

 

So your comparison contains two sides of the same coin and mine might as well be as different as a dime and a red snapper.

[joeypost]

I think the problem arises in the varying definition of what abuse is. I don't think disagreeing with someone is abusing them.

So you're saying that the ONLY thing RMA does is "disagree" with people? Would you say he disagrees respectfully and in a goodwilled, conciliatory manner? I am very curious to hear exactly how you characterize RMA's campaign of, um, disagreeing with people.

 

 

Oh hell no. He goes off the deep end at times, dissecting posts. Posting one sentence at a time. Rolling around in the minutiae of a post and going line by line. Really loving himself and his posts in the process.

 

I mean, who does that?

 

Anyway, RMA is dogged, and doesn't stop, and doesn't let go.

 

He makes great, logical arguments the first time around, but then further engages to the point where it feels like a migraine fest.

 

Most people would make the point once or twice and let it go. RMA can't do that a lot of the time.

 

However, I can't abide the exaggeration of his words to something more sinister or violent. Common sense is standing in my way with a bat to beat some sense into me if I try it.

 

Do you really believe he does it with no malice?

[comix4fun]

I think RMA was given a week vaca because he implied a threat to mikenyc. Go read it. I called RMA out on it in the probation locked points thread and I think he deserved a strike for it.

 

 

 

Can someone post that here, or provide a link? I didn't see any threat, but there were 4,500 posts in 4 days.

[comix4fun]

I think the problem arises in the varying definition of what abuse is. I don't think disagreeing with someone is abusing them.

So you're saying that the ONLY thing RMA does is "disagree" with people? Would you say he disagrees respectfully and in a goodwilled, conciliatory manner? I am very curious to hear exactly how you characterize RMA's campaign of, um, disagreeing with people.

 

 

Oh hell no. He goes off the deep end at times, dissecting posts. Posting one sentence at a time. Rolling around in the minutiae of a post and going line by line. Really loving himself and his posts in the process.

 

I mean, who does that?

 

Anyway, RMA is dogged, and doesn't stop, and doesn't let go.

 

He makes great, logical arguments the first time around, but then further engages to the point where it feels like a migraine fest.

 

Most people would make the point once or twice and let it go. RMA can't do that a lot of the time.

 

However, I can't abide the exaggeration of his words to something more sinister or violent. Common sense is standing in my way with a bat to beat some sense into me if I try it.

 

Do you really believe he does it with no malice?

 

 

I can't tell what's in the guy's head. Maybe he's got malice behind it. Maybe he doesn't. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me a lot of the time because I know and like people on both sides of this.

 

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why this keeps happening.

 

What I do know, however, without a shred of doubt in my mind is that there is a literally mess ton of passive aggressive and actually aggressive malice in this forum on display on a daily basis.

 

I don't know where it comes from most of the time, but it's freaking palpable.

 

Calling out RMA as being the malicious one on this forum is like blaming a particular rain drop for hitting you in a rain storm.

[mikenyc]

I think RMA was given a week vaca because he implied a threat to mikenyc. Go read it. I called RMA out on it in the probation locked points thread and I think he deserved a strike for it.

 

 

 

Can someone post that here, or provide a link? I didn't see any threat, but there were 4,500 posts in 4 days.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5259988&fpart=89

 

 

[Park]

 

1) We all crave attention. Otherwise we would not post.

 

Many people post to seek information and/or opinions. Or to just share ideas or acquisitions with like minded folk. Does that necessitate "craving attention"?

 

PS - before you answer please note I replied to you and hopefully gave you a titch of the attention you seem to crave.

 

I can seek information and opinions without even being a member of this Board. I can share ideas and acquisitions through PM's.

 

Posting a graemlin or a wall of text is seeking some amount of attention be it from one person or one thousand. Validation and attention seeking aren't that far apart.

 

Titch? Who says titch?

 

Yes. I got it. No, I haven't used it.

[comix4fun]

I think RMA was given a week vaca because he implied a threat to mikenyc. Go read it. I called RMA out on it in the probation locked points thread and I think he deserved a strike for it.

 

 

 

Can someone post that here, or provide a link? I didn't see any threat, but there were 4,500 posts in 4 days.

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5259988&fpart=89

 

 

 

...we are on different page totals....I am getting a blank page.

[Mark 1]

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I meant for you to show me where you acted like an adult when talking to RMA.

It takes two to tango, and RMA seems to have to tango with all you mouth-breathers at the same time. If there's a troll here, I think you and Dookiedickathrob fit in that category.

 

And please tell me how "adult" your last post to me was. If you want to throw down, I'm your huckleberry. Just know that you're not in the right league to tackle me. You best call in the posse, bro.

 

 

I find your online bravado and chest beating confidence so laughable and entertaining at the same time.

 

My last post was in reaction to your immature jab at me. You know the one insinuating my posts in general (or now that you clarified it to pertain to RMA) are not acting like an adult or someone mature. And that until I prove it to you, you won't read or consider my post as being valid or worthy of your attention. So I showed you that I treat mostly everyone else with respect on this forum. A select few (including RMA) like to push buttons and act like the schoolyard bully. People like you DiceX excuse it and those that call out this type of bullying are the trolls? You are the troll. You are a sycophant for those with the inflated post counts and yuck it up at other peoples expense.

 

So yeah, I'll call it like I see it. I think RMA was given a week vaca because he implied a threat to mikenyc. Go read it. I called RMA out on it in the probation thread and I think he deserved a strike for it. I have never crossed that line here and we shouldn't tolerate it. That's the type of immature behavior I'm talking about.

 

Look, I'm not afraid of anyone's words on here and I'll be glad to go toe to toe with you. But when it gets to the point that someone says they could possibly use info against someone in-person gleaned on this forum... None of us should stand by and tolerate it. If you do, you are as bad as the person doing it.

 

 

I asked you to show me where you acted like an adult to RMA. I never said you were tolling everyone on the board. You troll RMA. You wait for him to say it's cold outside and try to spin the conversation into some type of interrogation.

 

RMA wouldn't argue with you if you'd put him on ignore and IGNORE him.

I agree that RMA should do the same to you, but I'm talking to you now. You're half of the problem. You are a troll. You troll RMA. You are a troll.

 

Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

As for *us*, you are the one that took it to the immature level. (Hypocrite) In the same post you were pointing that finger at RMA. (Hypocrite) If you want to throw out names and try to make everyone laugh, you can bet I can play that game. (Hypocrite)

 

I'm trying to spell everything out for you so you understand what I'm saying.

So get over yourself, too. You're as guilty as RMA is. If you didn't troll him, he wouldn't argue with you.

 

 

You are off your rocker. Besides the past week or so where I finally got fed up seeing the antics that RMA has been doing and others have also pointed out (a fact you aren't addressing...hypocrite) ...I go about my business on this forum without a care in the world about RMA. So if you want to throw out that I troll RMA back it up with proof that I continually go out of my way to troll him.

 

I finally got fed up with the guy. He posted an impled threat to Mikenyc. You (hypocrite) didn't even address that in your post (hypocrite). So when you call someone a troll (hypocrite) you better back it up.

 

My post count has been built by contributing to the forum and treating people with respect. To imply I troll RMA just shows how far removed from reality you really are.