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Jaydogrules

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

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lol

 

You are implying the value of a Voldy is the same as CGC?

 

Nope.

 

But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies.

 

-J.

 

Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low.

 

Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average.

 

People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't.

 

Jim

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

 

The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference?

 

What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies.

 

The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common.

No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book.

$1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743

GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end.

 

Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why?

CGC 9.8 Newsstand. :sumo:

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lol

 

You are implying the value of a Voldy is the same as CGC?

 

Nope.

 

But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies.

 

-J.

 

Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low.

 

Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average.

 

People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't.

 

Jim

 

Yes. I cited the other two most recently available 9.8 sales data for a common book, that's also common in a "newsstand" version (see, eg the three copies offered in the last month).

 

The greater spread in Voldy pricing is in the GA and SA. In common, Copper and Modern books, it can be as little as 5%.

 

Try doing your homework first and then posting for once. (thumbs u

 

-J.

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

 

The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference?

 

What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies.

 

The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common.

No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book.

$1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743

GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end.

 

Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why?

CGC 9.8 Newsstand. :sumo:

 

So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. :acclaim:

 

-J.

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

 

The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference?

 

What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies.

 

The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common.

No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book.

$1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743

GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end.

 

Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why?

CGC 9.8 Newsstand. :sumo:

 

So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. :acclaim:

 

-J.

 

Are you talking about the CGC 9.8 that had a best offer accepted for $900? That seller decided, not the market.

Or are you talking about the CBCS 9.8 that didn't mention that it was Newsstand so a search for CGC Newsstand would have missed... twice?

 

Because a regular old auction for a CGC 9.8 Newsstand just ended at $1,600. That's my point.

 

I never know what your point is... except that it's usually to say that demonstrated facts aren't enough facts for you, and that your opinion should be enough to for us to consider it a fact.

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

 

The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference?

 

What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies.

 

The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common.

No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book.

$1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743

GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end.

 

Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why?

CGC 9.8 Newsstand. :sumo:

 

So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. :acclaim:

 

-J.

 

Are you talking about the CGC 9.8 that had a best offer accepted for $900? That seller decided, not the market.

Or are you talking about the CBCS 9.8 that didn't mention that it was Newsstand so a search for CGC Newsstand would have missed... twice?

 

Because a regular old auction for a CGC 9.8 Newsstand just ended at $1,600. That's my point.

 

I never know what your point is... except that it's usually to say that demonstrated facts aren't enough facts for you, and that your opinion should be enough to for us to consider it a fact.

 

My point is that the qualifiers that you are attempting to place on two other, recent sales that show no "premium" are not valid, as is your attempt to minimize the blatant shill bidding that happened in this auction.

 

My point is that there is no consistent or provable "premium" that can reliably be demonstrated because not enough collectors care enough either way to pay one.

 

My point is that for every one sale you can show that you think demonstrates a "premium", I can show (at least) one sale that shows there is none.

 

Erratic and inconsistent data cannot be used to "prove" anything one way or the other.

 

That's my point.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Those that do care, CARE. Wowzers, is that a new 9.8 high for the book? I want to say in like 2003-ish it was up to like $1,200 (don't quote me on that) or so. Or would it not be lumped in with the regular issues because its a newsstand?

 

 

Jerome

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Those that do care, CARE. Wowzers, is that a new 9.8 high for the book? I want to say in like 2003-ish it was up to like $1,200 (don't quote me on that) or so. Or would it not be lumped in with the regular issues because its a newsstand?

 

 

Jerome

 

There are GPA sales above $1,500 in 2014, 2015, and 2016. There was a $1,725 in 2006.

GPA doesn't break out the newsstands because CGC doesn't break out the newsstands.

Without us recording the sales and newsstand situation, there isn't a record of it.

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There IS a note on CGC labels for Newsstand editions of Spawn #9 because it did not contain the poster. CGC separates them so GPA separates them.

 

6 sales (2014-2016) for CGC 9.8 Spawn #9 NEWSSTAND = $247 average

10 sales (90-day 2016) CGC 9.8 Spawn #9 DIRECT EDITION = $60 average

108 sales (2015) CGC 9.8 Spawn #9 DIRECT EDITION = $65 average

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lol

 

You are implying the value of a Voldy is the same as CGC?

 

Nope.

 

But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies.

 

-J.

 

Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low.

 

Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average.

 

People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't.

 

Jim

 

Yes. I cited the other two most recently available 9.8 sales data for a common book, that's also common in a "newsstand" version (see, eg the three copies offered in the last month).

 

The greater spread in Voldy pricing is in the GA and SA. In common, Copper and Modern books, it can be as little as 5%.

 

Try doing your homework first and then posting for once. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

You really don't have a clue do you, about anything?

 

I just picked two random books and "did my homework"

 

Last 3 sales for a Voldy 9.8 NM #98 $535, $606, and $611

Last 4 sales for a CGC equivalent $720, 698, 632, 675

 

Last sale of a Voldy Bats #404 9.8 $99.95 (only one sale in 90 days)

Last 4 sales of a CGC equaivalent $150, $165, $129 and $161

 

If that's 5% in your world, you know as little about real life as you do this hobby.

 

You spread misinformed garbage as the truth all the time, and I've really had enough of it.

 

Jim

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lol

 

You are implying the value of a Voldy is the same as CGC?

 

Nope.

 

But even accounting for the typical 10-15% Voldy discount, that still puts you right at GPA for CGC copies.

 

-J.

 

Did you really just cite two Voldy examples to "prove your point". That's pretty low.

 

Secondly where did you pull 10-15% discount from? I know somebody that has tracked every public auction Voldy sale since Day 1. Across the board the number is more like a 25% discount on average.

 

People care...and please stop thinking for us and tell us people don't.

 

Jim

 

Yes. I cited the other two most recently available 9.8 sales data for a common book, that's also common in a "newsstand" version (see, eg the three copies offered in the last month).

 

The greater spread in Voldy pricing is in the GA and SA. In common, Copper and Modern books, it can be as little as 5%.

 

Try doing your homework first and then posting for once. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

You really don't have a clue do you, about anything?

 

I just picked two random books and "did my homework"

 

Last 3 sales for a Voldy 9.8 NM #98 $535, $606, and $611

Last 4 sales for a CGC equivalent $720, 698, 632, 675

 

Last sale of a Voldy Bats #404 9.8 $99.95 (only one sale in 90 days)

Last 4 sales of a CGC equaivalent $150, $165, $129 and $161

 

If that's 5% in your world, you know as little about real life as you do this hobby.

 

You spread misinformed garbage as the truth all the time, and I've really had enough of it.

 

Jim

 

Great , now work on your reading comprehension.

 

I can't see how linking direct, competing data points constitutes "garbage" and "misinformation " in your book. Well actually maybe I can, since it directly contradicts one of your most favoured myths that you like to promulgate on the boards.

 

And I said the difference between CGC and Voldy was "as little" as 5% on common moderns , and up to 10-15% on common as dirt Coppers like this book, and often more in the GA and SA.

 

Which is reflected even in the cherry picked data that you present (I'm not counting Bats 404 because one Voldy sale isn't enough to tell us anything).

 

And if you find yourself disagreeing with me so passionately as to constantly take personal swipes , feel free to refrain from interacting with me, as I have found your baseless opinions and statements to be so confounding at times that I have never once initiated any interactions with you.

 

Good day sir.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

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As someone who specifically sought out and bought a newsstand ASM 300 9.8, then sold it to someone who specifically sought out and offered enough of a premium to make me let go of a book I'd previously considered "on lock-down", I can say from first-hand experience, not contrarian conjecture, that people do care about this version. We may be a small cult of lunatics, but please stop denying that we exist.

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As someone who specifically sought out and bought a newsstand ASM 300 9.8, then sold it to someone who specifically sought out and offered enough of a premium to make me let go of a book I'd previously considered "on lock-down", I can say from first-hand experience, not contrarian conjecture, that people do care about this version. We may be a small cult of lunatics, but please stop denying that we exist.

 

As a high volume seller of copper keys for a decade, I absolutely agree with this.

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As someone who specifically sought out and bought a newsstand ASM 300 9.8, then sold it to someone who specifically sought out and offered enough of a premium to make me let go of a book I'd previously considered "on lock-down", I can say from first-hand experience, not contrarian conjecture, that people do care about this version. We may be a small cult of lunatics, but please stop denying that we exist.

 

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Just messin' with ya, hey more power to ya man! I had no idea there was really a niche market for newsies.

 

 

Jerome

 

 

 

 

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As someone who specifically sought out and bought a newsstand ASM 300 9.8, then sold it to someone who specifically sought out and offered enough of a premium to make me let go of a book I'd previously considered "on lock-down", I can say from first-hand experience, not contrarian conjecture, that people do care about this version. We may be a small cult of lunatics, but please stop denying that we exist.

 

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Just messin' with ya, hey more power to ya man! I had no idea there was really a niche market for newsies.

 

 

Jerome

 

Not all newsstands, of course.

 

"Vaguely accurate" graph of the relative amounts printed:

 

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...and its discussion.

 

 

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How much more is a newsstand UPC copy CGC 9.8 W worth than a direct to store copy?

Is there a premium paid for the newsstand copy?

 

There's really no "premium" either way. Not enough people care.

 

-J

 

 

Pick a number... how many people need to care? Because this is a number: $1,600

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252619622987

 

GPA was $1,000.

 

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=252619622987

Four different bidders bid at least 35% "premium" over GPA. The final was 60% "premium" over GPA.

 

But like everything else where there's not (ever going to be) 100% agreement, let's just keep repeating... "Not enough people care."

 

Right.

 

That auction was shilled, and at best is an outlier.

 

Here are two other 9.8 sales of "newsstand" copies from the last month, one for $1000:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARVEL-COMICS-AMAZING-SPIDER-MAN-300-1988-CBCS-9-8-1st-VENOM-KEY-ISSUE-/232113007539?hash=item360b036bb3%3Ag%3AFh0AAOSwzaJX%7E8en&nma=true&si=qgYwxrvFOCf5e4Mw7iWlMzFOyNo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

and one for $900 (almost half the price of this last one??? :o )

 

http://item.ebay.co.uk/232105339278?item_hash4=8a5876d1&LH_Complete=1&LH_BIN=1&LH_BO=1&_ipg=200&_pgn=1&rc=nt&rmvSB=true

 

Not enough people care.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

The first auction didn't mention "Newsstand" and is not a CGC book.

The second link was an accepted BEST OFFER, not an auction.

 

Four different bidders over 35% of GPA on the $1,600 book and you call it shilled.

 

What do you call it when a modern book goes for $3,000+ because of two high bidders? Shilly-shilled?

 

We aren't talking about a "modern", we are talking about a common-as-dirt-in-all-forms Copper book.

 

A sale is a sale is a sale. There are two 9.8 in the last month that sold for $1000 or less for a "newsstand" version of this book. I could link even more (including other CGC copies) if ebay would go back more then 3 months. I know these sales do not fit with your narrative, but look- there they are anyway.

 

There is no "60%" premium for CGC books over Voldy on excessively common books such as this, and I don't think even you, in your most frothy and deluded state believe that there is a "60%" premium" for a newsstand copy of this.

 

As I said, best case scenario, it's an outlier, worst case, it was shilled (and it was shilled by at least one fake 0 feedback bidder).

 

-J.

 

The 0 feedback bidder was the 4th highest bid. Why do you keep saying the auction was shilled when that bidder, shill-or-not, made no difference?

 

What we have with Amazing Spider-man #300 is a book that's nearly 30 years old, extremely popular, with thousands of graded copies.

 

The book is stable... the market is stable... it's not a rarely-seen book in CGC 9.8. It's downright common.

No one would pay $1,600 for a CGC 9.8 $1,000 common book unless there was something special about that book.

$1,200 gets anyone a Buy-It-Now in two seconds: http://www.ebay.com/itm/381838529743

GPA is $1,000 if you wait for an auction to end.

 

Two bidders bid over $1,500 for it. Why?

CGC 9.8 Newsstand. :sumo:

 

So I guess that guy who got another 9.8 Newsstand for nearly half the price two weeks ago got the bargain of the century. :acclaim:

 

-J.

 

Are you talking about the CGC 9.8 that had a best offer accepted for $900? That seller decided, not the market.

Or are you talking about the CBCS 9.8 that didn't mention that it was Newsstand so a search for CGC Newsstand would have missed... twice?

 

Because a regular old auction for a CGC 9.8 Newsstand just ended at $1,600. That's my point.

 

I never know what your point is... except that it's usually to say that demonstrated facts aren't enough facts for you, and that your opinion should be enough to for us to consider it a fact.

 

My point is that the qualifiers that you are attempting to place on two other, recent sales that show no "premium" are not valid, as is your attempt to minimize the blatant shill bidding that happened in this auction.

 

My point is that there is no consistent or provable "premium" that can reliably be demonstrated because not enough collectors care enough either way to pay one.

 

My point is that for every one sale you can show that you think demonstrates a "premium", I can show (at least) one sale that shows there is none.

 

Erratic and inconsistent data cannot be used to "prove" anything one way or the other.

 

That's my point.

 

-J.

 

 

 

 

I thought that [market] included the "seller" and the "buyer"??

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I thought that [market] included the "seller" and the "buyer"??

When buyers determine a competitive acceptable price according to what they are willing to pay, that's the market.

 

If a seller underprices something and a buyer immediately grabs it, that's not the market price.

 

It works both ways, as well... if a seller overprices something and no one wants it, that's not the market price either.

 

A copy of Action #1 being sold for $5 would not be considered "Market Price" and a $50,000,000 copy of Action #1 being unsold is not the "Market Price" either.

 

Though people might want to quote them as proof of something, they prove nothing, except that $5 is acceptable and $50,000,000 is unacceptable.

The actual market price would be decided somewhere in between by a true auction.

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