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VintageComics

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Books after 1950 with a dot of glue or color touch do not receive blue labels acc to CGC unless policy has changed.

 

That notation definitely affected bidding.

 

Not disagreeing with you Roy. But is this dried glue serving a purpose? The residual from the removal? It's possible the glue was removed prior to have the book in the blue label.

 

If it was residual glue from a prior removal of restoration it would still be in a purple label to my knowledge. Even if it didn't improve the grade.

 

It's only pre 1951 GA books that were treated differently according to my knowledge.

 

 

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

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IMO there is no need tor a glue notation on a blue label book if it isn't doing anything.

 

Just treat it as a booger (or any other foreign substance) and grade the book accordingly, treating the glue as a defect.

 

It is confusing based on what I know about CGC up to this day.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

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Dark Knight

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

I agree with this. This is also what I know to my knowledge regarding SA books and color touch/glue = automatic purple. GA on the other hand is different. To me, it seems like CGC was aware when they typed in the small amount of glue on a blue label SA book. Just dunno how this is different from any other SA books with glue or color touch on it.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

I agree with this. I've seen the notation often enough on SA books that I don't think it can be a QC problem -- or is always a QC problem. I think that improving the book v. just on the book is probably the key.

 

Suppose a tiny bit of glue was used to seal a spine split, but the glue has dried and the spine split has reappeared. So now the glue is just there but isn't helping the apparent grade of the book. I believe that book goes in a blue label with a glue notation.

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Jaydogrules

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

I agree with this. I've seen the notation often enough on SA books that I don't think it can be a QC problem -- or is always a QC problem. I think that improving the book v. just on the book is probably the key.

 

Suppose a tiny bit of glue was used to seal a spine split, but the glue has dried and the spine split has reappeared. So now the glue is just there but isn't helping the apparent grade of the book. I believe that book goes in a blue label with a glue notation.

 

What you are saying is how it works on GA books, and is the reason why some of those with that notation still find their way into blue holders, NOT SA books.

 

ANY glue on a SA book is an automatic PLOD. (thumbs u

 

-J.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

Pretty sure that you're wrong on this. Color touch, yes. Glue, no. If you can show me where it says this anywhere on CGC's website, I would really like to know. It took ten seconds to find a half dozen examples in Heritage's archives on SA books. Consistently "small amount of dried glue" was blue label. No results were purple labels. And it spans back to as early as 2005.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's not that I particularly care one way or the other. But put yourself in the shoes of the buyer who just dropped 36 grand on his copy. That could've been his life savings and his holy grail once in a lifetime purchase, and you are on here saying it's tainted and it should be a purple label if not for CGC's QC dropping the ball. If I was him, I would be furious.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-incredible-hulk-1-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages-this-classic-first-issue-from-marvel-features-the/a/15092-17418.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Hulk 1, 2005)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-1-marvel-1963-cgc-vg-40-off-white-to-white-pages/a/121620-13189.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Avengers 1, 2016)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superman-104-dc-1956-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-pages/a/7007-93320.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Superman 104, 2009)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-flash-120-dc-1961-cgc-vf-85-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110074-14260.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Flash 120, 2010)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/wonder-woman-97-dc-1958-cgc-vf-75-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110071-11419.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 (Wonder Woman 97, 2010)

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

Pretty sure that you're wrong on this. Color touch, yes. Glue, no. If you can show me where it says this anywhere on CGC's website, I would really like to know. It took ten seconds to find a half dozen examples in Heritage's archives on SA books. Consistently "small amount of dried glue" was blue label. No results were purple labels. And it spans back to as early as 2005.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's not that I particularly care one way or the other. But put yourself in the shoes of the buyer who just dropped 36 grand on his copy. That could've been his life savings and his holy grail once in a lifetime purchase, and you are on here saying it's tainted and it should be a purple label if not for CGC's QC dropping the ball. If I was him, I would be furious.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-incredible-hulk-1-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages-this-classic-first-issue-from-marvel-features-the/a/15092-17418.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Hulk 1, 2005)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-1-marvel-1963-cgc-vg-40-off-white-to-white-pages/a/121620-13189.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Avengers 1, 2016)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superman-104-dc-1956-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-pages/a/7007-93320.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Superman 104, 2009)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-flash-120-dc-1961-cgc-vf-85-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110074-14260.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Flash 120, 2010)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/wonder-woman-97-dc-1958-cgc-vf-75-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110071-11419.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 (Wonder Woman 97, 2010)

 

I understand what you are trying to say, and yes, if I look I can find examples of other QC problems with labels, ie, wrong titles and issue numbers, artist names mis-spelled, etc.

 

Feel free to contact CGC yourself to confirm. SA + Glue = PLOD. There's a reason why the book went for a third less than all other sales in grade this year. People knew what they were (or weren't) bidding on.

 

-J.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

Pretty sure that you're wrong on this. Color touch, yes. Glue, no. If you can show me where it says this anywhere on CGC's website, I would really like to know. It took ten seconds to find a half dozen examples in Heritage's archives on SA books. Consistently "small amount of dried glue" was blue label. No results were purple labels. And it spans back to as early as 2005.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's not that I particularly care one way or the other. But put yourself in the shoes of the buyer who just dropped 36 grand on his copy. That could've been his life savings and his holy grail once in a lifetime purchase, and you are on here saying it's tainted and it should be a purple label if not for CGC's QC dropping the ball. If I was him, I would be furious.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-incredible-hulk-1-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages-this-classic-first-issue-from-marvel-features-the/a/15092-17418.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Hulk 1, 2005)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-1-marvel-1963-cgc-vg-40-off-white-to-white-pages/a/121620-13189.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Avengers 1, 2016)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superman-104-dc-1956-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-pages/a/7007-93320.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Superman 104, 2009)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-flash-120-dc-1961-cgc-vf-85-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110074-14260.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Flash 120, 2010)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/wonder-woman-97-dc-1958-cgc-vf-75-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110071-11419.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 (Wonder Woman 97, 2010)

 

I understand what you are trying to say, and yes, if I look I can find examples of other QC problems with labels, ie, wrong titles and issue numbers, artist names mis-spelled, etc.

 

Feel free to contact CGC yourself to confirm. SA + Glue = PLOD. There's a reason why the book went for a third less than all other sales in grade this year. People knew what they were (or weren't) bidding on.

 

-J.

 

Occam's razor.

 

Scenario A: CGC's QC absolutely blows, and they consistently got it wrong. Every. Single. Time.

 

Scenario B: Small amount of dried glue is supposed to be a blue label, as every example shows.

 

You say A, I say B. I'll agree to disagree.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

Pretty sure that you're wrong on this. Color touch, yes. Glue, no. If you can show me where it says this anywhere on CGC's website, I would really like to know. It took ten seconds to find a half dozen examples in Heritage's archives on SA books. Consistently "small amount of dried glue" was blue label. No results were purple labels. And it spans back to as early as 2005.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's not that I particularly care one way or the other. But put yourself in the shoes of the buyer who just dropped 36 grand on his copy. That could've been his life savings and his holy grail once in a lifetime purchase, and you are on here saying it's tainted and it should be a purple label if not for CGC's QC dropping the ball. If I was him, I would be furious.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-incredible-hulk-1-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages-this-classic-first-issue-from-marvel-features-the/a/15092-17418.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Hulk 1, 2005)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-1-marvel-1963-cgc-vg-40-off-white-to-white-pages/a/121620-13189.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Avengers 1, 2016)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superman-104-dc-1956-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-pages/a/7007-93320.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Superman 104, 2009)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-flash-120-dc-1961-cgc-vf-85-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110074-14260.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Flash 120, 2010)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/wonder-woman-97-dc-1958-cgc-vf-75-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110071-11419.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 (Wonder Woman 97, 2010)

 

I understand what you are trying to say, and yes, if I look I can find examples of other QC problems with labels, ie, wrong titles and issue numbers, artist names mis-spelled, etc.

 

Feel free to contact CGC yourself to confirm. SA + Glue = PLOD. There's a reason why the book went for a third less than all other sales in grade this year. People knew what they were (or weren't) bidding on.

 

-J.

 

Occam's razor.

 

Scenario A: CGC's QC absolutely blows, and they consistently got it wrong. Every. Single. Time.

 

Scenario B: Small amount of dried glue is supposed to be a blue label, as every example shows.

 

You say A, I say B. I'll agree to disagree.

 

Okay I just called CGC and did confirm that, yes, glue on SA books are PLOD, 99.99999%, HOWEVER, if it is residual glue, having never served a restorative purpose (in the opinion of the grader), then ON VERY RARE OCCASION, they will still put it in a blue label, with glue notes.

 

This, of course, still isn't really going to help a book with that kind of notation, as glue notes on a SA book, because they are so uncommon, are a massive scarlet letter that will turn off many buyers, especially since you cannot remove glue (and thereby getting rid of the notation), without scraping the book and likely defacing/damaging it.

 

And as for all three of those DC books you linked with "glue on the spine", those DEFINITELY should be PLODs, and are in fact a QC oversight.

 

-J.

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There are other examples of (Silver Age) blue labels with dried glue on the cover. So I think the whole comment on this being a QC issue by CGC should be revised.

 

Here's one:

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/amazing-fantasy-15-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/7152-91164.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515.

 

That is also likely a QC issue.

 

CGC slabs a lot of books. (thumbs u

 

As Vintagecomics keeps reiterating, ANY glue on a post-1950 book, regardless of perceived intent, is an automatic PLOD. Same goes with colour touch. Any SA book with "small amount of colour touch" on the label in a blue label has also slipped past QC (I have seen a handful of those as well).

 

-J.

 

Pretty sure that you're wrong on this. Color touch, yes. Glue, no. If you can show me where it says this anywhere on CGC's website, I would really like to know. It took ten seconds to find a half dozen examples in Heritage's archives on SA books. Consistently "small amount of dried glue" was blue label. No results were purple labels. And it spans back to as early as 2005.

 

(thumbs u

 

It's not that I particularly care one way or the other. But put yourself in the shoes of the buyer who just dropped 36 grand on his copy. That could've been his life savings and his holy grail once in a lifetime purchase, and you are on here saying it's tainted and it should be a purple label if not for CGC's QC dropping the ball. If I was him, I would be furious.

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-incredible-hulk-1-marvel-1962-cgc-vg-40-cream-to-off-white-pages-this-classic-first-issue-from-marvel-features-the/a/15092-17418.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Hulk 1, 2005)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-avengers-1-marvel-1963-cgc-vg-40-off-white-to-white-pages/a/121620-13189.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Avengers 1, 2016)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/superman-104-dc-1956-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-pages/a/7007-93320.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Superman 104, 2009)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-flash-120-dc-1961-cgc-vf-85-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110074-14260.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 (Flash 120, 2010)

 

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/wonder-woman-97-dc-1958-cgc-vf-75-cream-to-off-white-pages/a/110071-11419.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 (Wonder Woman 97, 2010)

 

I understand what you are trying to say, and yes, if I look I can find examples of other QC problems with labels, ie, wrong titles and issue numbers, artist names mis-spelled, etc.

 

Feel free to contact CGC yourself to confirm. SA + Glue = PLOD. There's a reason why the book went for a third less than all other sales in grade this year. People knew what they were (or weren't) bidding on.

 

-J.

 

Occam's razor.

 

Scenario A: CGC's QC absolutely blows, and they consistently got it wrong. Every. Single. Time.

 

Scenario B: Small amount of dried glue is supposed to be a blue label, as every example shows.

 

You say A, I say B. I'll agree to disagree.

 

Okay I just called CGC and did confirm that, yes, glue on SA books are PLOD, 99.99999%, HOWEVER, if it is residual glue, having never served a restorative purpose (in the opinion of the grader), then ON VERY RARE OCCASION, they will still put it in a blue label, with glue notes.

 

This, of course, still isn't really going to help a book with that kind of notation, as glue notes on a SA book, because they are so uncommon, are a massive scarlet letter that will turn off many buyers, especially since you cannot remove glue (and thereby getting rid of the notation), without scraping the book and likely defacing/damaging it.

 

And as for all three of those DC books you linked with "glue on the spine", those DEFINITELY should be PLODs, and are in fact a QC oversight.

 

-J.

 

I was just gonna write something similar to that

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