Traded: CGC 4.0 AF15 and CGC 9.6 TMNT 1 1 1

[Heresy]

If someone offered both to me...

 

I would happily take the AF15 in 4.0.

 

 

No Marvel chipping right?

 

Very little.

 

I will say this when I put it up for sale (TMNT #1 CGC 9.6) I had more PM's wanting the book than any other book I have ever sold on the boards.

 

AF 15 was the only book I would have traded the book for instead of taking the cash.

 

 

It's way out of my collecting focus but when you put it up I was strongly considering it, I was happy when I saw it was sold.

[NewWorldOrder]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

[Buzzetta]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

I don't think so... at least from me.

 

The way I see it is that I recognize that Turtles 1 is a key book and a 9.6 is probably rarer than AF15 in the 4.0. However, while I recognize and appreciate what it is and what it means, it is not within my collecting focus. It doesn't mean I think it sucks. It means that while I like both, I like one a bit more than the other.

 

Perhaps that it what others are trying to articulate.

 

 

[Jaydogrules]

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

I agree with the fact Turtles will not go down in value. In fact the relative scarcity will ensure it either maintains it's current valuation or continues to climb. It is all about supply and demand.

 

The spider-man comics and cartoons helped propel web head into popular culture well before the Turtles started becoming part of popular culture. Although I do agree that Spider-man has the largest appeal among popular culture, the Turtles have been making headway for decades.

 

I had an AF #15 and sold it back in 2005. Although it stings selling AF #15 it was worth it as the money was used to put a down payment on my house. Guess which book I held onto during this down payment purge as I knew it would be more difficult to buy down the road? You guessed it; the TMNT #1 is the book I decided to hold onto over the AF #15.

 

I will in time find another AF #15, but the Turtles book I will not need to worry about locating anytime soon. Eventually demand will outstrip supply and when TMNT #1 is hoarded in private collections good luck finding a copy in years time.

 

In that time your AF 15 would have tripled in value. The Turtles book might have gone up 50%. Values on it have actually dropped on it in that time a bit here and there. Just sayin...

 

 

-J.

[NinjaSealed]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

I don't think so... at least from me.

 

The way I see it is that I recognize that Turtles 1 is a key book and a 9.6 is probably rarer than AF15 in the 4.0. However, while I recognize and appreciate what it is and what it means, it is not within my collecting focus. It doesn't mean I think it sucks. It means that while I like both, I like one a bit more than the other.

 

Perhaps that it what others are trying to articulate.

 

 

None from you at all. (thumbs u

 

We all have different tastes and that is a good thing. I am the exact opposite of you. While I can appreciate AF15 and say it is one of the most important books in the hobby, TMNT1 is a much bigger part of my collecting focus and the book I would take from the two.

[NewWorldOrder]

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

I agree with the fact Turtles will not go down in value. In fact the relative scarcity will ensure it either maintains it's current valuation or continues to climb. It is all about supply and demand.

 

The spider-man comics and cartoons helped propel web head into popular culture well before the Turtles started becoming part of popular culture. Although I do agree that Spider-man has the largest appeal among popular culture, the Turtles have been making headway for decades.

 

I had an AF #15 and sold it back in 2005. Although it stings selling AF #15 it was worth it as the money was used to put a down payment on my house. Guess which book I held onto during this down payment purge as I knew it would be more difficult to buy down the road? You guessed it; the TMNT #1 is the book I decided to hold onto over the AF #15.

 

I will in time find another AF #15, but the Turtles book I will not need to worry about locating anytime soon. Eventually demand will outstrip supply and when TMNT #1 is hoarded in private collections good luck finding a copy in years time.

 

In that time your AF 15 would have tripled in value. The Turtles book might have gone up 50%. Values on it have actually dropped on it in that time a bit here and there. Just sayin...

 

 

-J.

 

Actually no.

 

Besides a couple fluctuations in 9.4 and above TMNT #1 is going up every year in all other grades a lot since 2002.

 

For an 80's comic then cartoon kinda not a fad with a 2014 movie coming out yet again for the franchise.

 

I stopped being a TMNT fan in the 80's, but I still recognize the importance of the characters in pop culture and understand why they have such a fan base.

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2014 by Spiderman-on-Tilt

[seanfingh]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

[Jaydogrules]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

 

....a few great stories, to be sure. But none of those books are really worth much, are they? This poll originally started off as a "value" question. remember?

 

-J.

[miraclemet]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

havent heard anyone who preferred the TMNT actually disparage the AF15 (unless you call saying that the "book is more common" disparaging)

 

 

[seanfingh]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

 

....a few great stories, to be sure. But none of those books are really worth much, are they? This poll originally started off as a "value" question. remember?

 

-J.

 

But what about the most reviled age in history? Are backing off that? Because you should. It is making you look a little special.

[NewWorldOrder]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

 

If WW II didnt happen or moms throwing out millions of comic books we wouldn't have any value to vintage comic books.

 

So what is your point?

 

You do realize most people think spending a $100 bucks on a comic is insane right?

 

I think Superman is the biggest loser superhero of all time, but I understand why AC #1 is the king of kings.

 

Great you don't like TMNT, ok fine, but to call it a fad or not understanding why the book sells for so much or the CA is DREK is just a convo I don't have the patience for anymore.

 

We are probably the same age as well.

[Jaydogrules]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

 

....a few great stories, to be sure. But none of those books are really worth much, are they? This poll originally started off as a "value" question. remember?

 

-J.

 

But what about the most reviled age in history? Are backing off that? Because you should. It is making you look a little special.

 

The Copper Age is one of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

[BarryAllen]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

 

[Jaydogrules]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

 

If WW II didnt happen or moms throwing out millions of comic books we wouldn't have any value to vintage comic books.

 

So what is your point?

 

You do realize most people think spending a $100 bucks on a comic is insane right?

 

I think Superman is the biggest loser superhero of all time, but I understand why AC #1 is the king of kings.

 

Great you don't like TMNT, ok fine, but to call it a fad or not understanding why the book sells for so much or the CA is DREK is just a convo I don't have the patience for anymore.

 

We are probably the same age as well.

 

Who said I didn't like TMNT? Who said I didn't own one ? I am simply saying that AF 15, and TMNT 1 are not remotely in the same league, even if all things are considered. And if I have 10k to spend on a book, it would be an AF 15, 100 times out of a 100. Again, that was the poll question, right?

 

-J.

[seanfingh]

For people that actually read comics, not so much.

[BarryAllen]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible the CA really is.

 

-J.

 

Man, you are so right. When I think great comics, I don't think about Watchmen, Dark Knight, Jon Sable, Kraven's Last Hunt, Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Nexus, Born Again, Killing Joke, or Giffen and Dematteis JLA, I think about Hulk juggling elephants in the circus, Lois Lane falling in love with a sexy alien when purple kryptonite turns Superman super-obese, and Batman and Robin riding a space seesaw to Planet Awkward.

 

....a few great stories, to be sure. But none of those books are really worth much, are they? This poll originally started off as a "value" question. remember?

 

-J.

 

But what about the most reviled age in history? Are backing off that? Because you should. It is making you look a little special.

 

The Copper Age is when of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

 

Did I miss the meeting where we all voted on this?

 

Bummer...

 

[NewWorldOrder]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

 

If WW II didnt happen or moms throwing out millions of comic books we wouldn't have any value to vintage comic books.

 

So what is your point?

 

You do realize most people think spending a $100 bucks on a comic is insane right?

 

I think Superman is the biggest loser superhero of all time, but I understand why AC #1 is the king of kings.

 

Great you don't like TMNT, ok fine, but to call it a fad or not understanding why the book sells for so much or the CA is DREK is just a convo I don't have the patience for anymore.

 

We are probably the same age as well.

 

Who said I didn't like TMNT? Who said I didn't own one ? I am simply saying that AF 15, and TMNT 1 are not remotely in the same league, even if all things are considered. And if I have 10k to spend on a book, it would be an AF 15, 100 times out of a 100. Again, that was the poll question, right?

 

-J.

 

That is what you should have wrote pages ago then I wouldn't have cared.

 

You said TMNT #1 was a fad which is why I am telling you that was an uneducated thing to say.

[valiantman]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

[Jaydogrules]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

 

If WW II didnt happen or moms throwing out millions of comic books we wouldn't have any value to vintage comic books.

 

So what is your point?

 

You do realize most people think spending a $100 bucks on a comic is insane right?

 

I think Superman is the biggest loser superhero of all time, but I understand why AC #1 is the king of kings.

 

Great you don't like TMNT, ok fine, but to call it a fad or not understanding why the book sells for so much or the CA is DREK is just a convo I don't have the patience for anymore.

 

We are probably the same age as well.

 

Who said I didn't like TMNT? Who said I didn't own one ? I am simply saying that AF 15, and TMNT 1 are not remotely in the same league, even if all things are considered. And if I have 10k to spend on a book, it would be an AF 15, 100 times out of a 100. Again, that was the poll question, right?

 

-J.

 

That is what you should have wrote pages ago then I wouldn't have cared.

 

You said TMNT #1 was a fad which is why I am telling you that was an uneducated thing to say.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like to stir the pot a little when I express an opinion sometimes. Keeps the boards a bit more lively and interesting. I love to see the passion of other collectors, and to express my passion as well. It's all in good fun. (thumbs u

 

 

-J.