Traded: CGC 4.0 AF15 and CGC 9.6 TMNT 1 1 1

[oakman29]

Every age has it's turkeys as well as their greats.I wish I had the dough for that TMNT#1,just throwing that out there.

 

 

 

 

Of course I already have an AF 15.

[BarryAllen]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(Plus, he told me he's getting offers due to my post, so I'm partially responsible and trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

 

[Jaydogrules]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

 

If the parties involved are both happy with the trade, that is all that matters.

 

-J.

[THE_BEYONDER]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

 

[miraclemet]

 

The Copper Age is one of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

 

I think copper (assuming you use the 1991 end date) is far less reviled than the 90s... Just look online at the retrospectives... the 90s are held up as largely ridiculous times...Rob Liefeld, foil stamped, multi-variant, hologram covers, birdcage fodder (thanks to ridiculous over production) that came out with very little substance behind the splash.

 

The post-copper era included a Marvel bankruptcy, a loss of all of the early Batman momentum in the movies (Batman & Robin anyone?), and almost no meaningful product development into the mainstream. Marvel relaunching the whole line with Heroes Reborn, and it being horrible. The 90s gave us Clone saga, some other guy being Batman, Electric Superman, many horrible events (Zero Hour?), Carnage showing up all over the place... The lone good thing from the post-copper 90s was the development of creator rights thanks to Image Comics and other "creator owned" publishing ventures like Vertigo. That is the good that came out of the 90s.

 

But I'll take the 80s copper every time.

 

There are a few good moments in 90s comics (LoEG was good, Marvels & Kingdom Come were good [though they relied heavily on Golden Age], the birth of Image (as I mentioned) and Vertigo, along with creator owned Hellboy and Sin City), but I'll take Crisis on Infinite Earths, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Miller's Daredevil, Alan Moore on Swampthing, Byrne's FF, Claremont's 80s X-men (future past, Phoenix..) and on and on... Most reviled? Doubtful.

[oakman29]

Reviled? Some of the best writing came out of the Copper age.

[thirdgreenham]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

 

Now you're just making John feel worse.

[thirdgreenham]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

havent heard anyone who preferred the TMNT actually disparage the AF15 (unless you call saying that the "book is more common" disparaging)

 

 

Greggy disparaged the AF15.

[greggy]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

havent heard anyone who preferred the TMNT actually disparage the AF15 (unless you call saying that the "book is more common" disparaging)

 

 

Greggy disparaged the AF15.

I disparaged low grade books, dumbarse.

[seanfingh]

An awful lot of what I collect rules and what you collect sucks in this thread.

 

havent heard anyone who preferred the TMNT actually disparage the AF15 (unless you call saying that the "book is more common" disparaging)

 

 

Greggy disparaged the AF15.

I disparaged low grade books, dumbarse.

 

Pho cue, Kung Fu Wombat.

[Tony S]

#3 book in the hobby vs. #1 Copper Book in HG.

 

No contest, the AF15.

 

+1

 

These two books shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

On the one hand, you have a timeless, iconic character that's in the same league as Batman and Superman in terms of pop cultural awareness, and impact on the entire hobby, in a million dollar book in a comparable grade (9.6), regardless of how many "under copies" of it exist on the census.

 

And on the other, you have a fad book that has been over valued for a very long time, featuring novelty characters from the '80s that should have gone out along with Garbage Pail Kids. But hey, if you like your Turtles, more power to you.

 

No contest there at all.

 

AF 15 all the way baby. (thumbs u

 

-J.

 

 

In the 80's Spider-man was a fad.

 

TMNT #1 is the AF 15 of the Copper-Age.

 

It ain't going down anytime soon.

 

 

"Copper Age"..... the most reviled age of comic books. What's your point?

 

-J.

 

That is what Golden Age generation said about the Silver age generation of books.

 

My point is don't be such a tool bag.

 

I'm a copper age Gen X'er and I can be unbiased and say how bad that age of book is, and be objective about it without being a tool bag. If the Turtles is the best of the CA, then all that does is tell you how horrible it really is.

 

-J.

 

To say TMNT #1 is a fad book is uneducated thing to say.

 

I think a lot of what people buy I wouldn't, but the comic book hobby is big enough to convey different tastes in collecting.

 

Yes I prefer the SA and BA, but that doesn't mean the Copper-Age was vile dude.

 

Some of the most important characters and story-lines came out of the copper age.

 

Some of the worst, cheapest, most mass produced dreck also came out of CA. That's why it is almost universally loathed. Spiderman came out of and ultimately came to lead the pack of all the characters created in the Marvel Comics SA Renaissance, redefined what the "super hero" was, and the entire genre, and is the number 3 character ever created. Yeah, "Ninja Turtles" are fun and all, and the book started with a low print run, but it's a niche comic, regardless of how many movies and toys spin off it. If it had a typical CA print run, I severely doubt the book would sell for what it does now. Not even close. It would likely be more in the NM 98, MAYBE ASM 300 range.

 

-J.

 

You could take this post, change to BA and publish it in 1985. Because that is exactly what most collectors thought then. Turned out not to be the case.

 

There are winners and losers in every era of comic publishing. I think copper age and what comes to mind is a period of time where a bunch of really talented writers stepped in and stepped up. Spider-Man and Batman have forever been my two favorite character - except for that four year stint that Alan Moore did Swamp Thing.

 

I'm not sure what your point is about the print run. If pigs had wings we'd all carry umbrellas open when walking around. They don't, so we are safe from massive quantities of pig pooh dropping on us. TMNT has the print run that it does. It's small, very small, for a key book.

[valiantman]

Now you're just making John feel worse.

No one named Spiderman feels bad about trading turtles for the grail.

[Jaydogrules]

 

The Copper Age is one of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

 

I think copper (assuming you use the 1991 end date) is far less reviled than the 90s... Just look online at the retrospectives... the 90s are held up as largely ridiculous times...Rob Liefeld, foil stamped, multi-variant, hologram covers, birdcage fodder (thanks to ridiculous over production) that came out with very little substance behind the splash.

 

The post-copper era included a Marvel bankruptcy, a loss of all of the early Batman momentum in the movies (Batman & Robin anyone?), and almost no meaningful product development into the mainstream. Marvel relaunching the whole line with Heroes Reborn, and it being horrible. The 90s gave us Clone saga, some other guy being Batman, Electric Superman, many horrible events (Zero Hour?), Carnage showing up all over the place... The lone good thing from the post-copper 90s was the development of creator rights thanks to Image Comics and other "creator owned" publishing ventures like Vertigo. That is the good that came out of the 90s.

 

But I'll take the 80s copper every time.

 

There are a few good moments in 90s comics (LoEG was good, Marvels & Kingdom Come were good [though they relied heavily on Golden Age], the birth of Image (as I mentioned) and Vertigo, along with creator owned Hellboy and Sin City), but I'll take Crisis on Infinite Earths, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Miller's Daredevil, Alan Moore on Swampthing, Byrne's FF, Claremont's 80s X-men (future past, Phoenix..) and on and on... Most reviled? Doubtful.

 

Again, you can cherry pick two dozen decent story lines from the CA, without changing the overall reality of things. You can even thrown in the sandman run while you're at it. But from a VALUE perspective it is the weakest designated age, by far. Very few investment opportunities there, and as cool as some of those stories you mentioned are, none of those books are particularly valuable. And I might add, there's a chorus out there that doesn't think some of those stories you mention have held up very well with time. I'm looking at you watchmen and dark knight returns. But like I said, to each his own.

 

-J.

[BarryAllen]

 

The Copper Age is one of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

 

I think copper (assuming you use the 1991 end date) is far less reviled than the 90s... Just look online at the retrospectives... the 90s are held up as largely ridiculous times...Rob Liefeld, foil stamped, multi-variant, hologram covers, birdcage fodder (thanks to ridiculous over production) that came out with very little substance behind the splash.

 

The post-copper era included a Marvel bankruptcy, a loss of all of the early Batman momentum in the movies (Batman & Robin anyone?), and almost no meaningful product development into the mainstream. Marvel relaunching the whole line with Heroes Reborn, and it being horrible. The 90s gave us Clone saga, some other guy being Batman, Electric Superman, many horrible events (Zero Hour?), Carnage showing up all over the place... The lone good thing from the post-copper 90s was the development of creator rights thanks to Image Comics and other "creator owned" publishing ventures like Vertigo. That is the good that came out of the 90s.

 

But I'll take the 80s copper every time.

 

There are a few good moments in 90s comics (LoEG was good, Marvels & Kingdom Come were good [though they relied heavily on Golden Age], the birth of Image (as I mentioned) and Vertigo, along with creator owned Hellboy and Sin City), but I'll take Crisis on Infinite Earths, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Miller's Daredevil, Alan Moore on Swampthing, Byrne's FF, Claremont's 80s X-men (future past, Phoenix..) and on and on... Most reviled? Doubtful.

 

Again, you can cherry pick two dozen decent story lines from the CA, without changing the overall reality of things. You can even thrown in the sandman run while you're at it. But from a VALUE perspective it is the weakest designated age, by far. Very few investment opportunities there, and as cool as some of those stories you mentioned are, none of those books are particularly valuable. And I might add, there's a chorus out there that doesn't think some of those stories you mention have held up very well with time. I'm looking at you watchmen and dark knight returns. But like I said, to each his own.

 

-J.

 

This is what I hear when I read your posts:

 

"If you collect CA, you are a insufficiently_thoughtful_person."

 

"But feel okay about being a insufficiently_thoughtful_person."

 

I definitely don't agree, but (thumbs u

Edited February 28, 2014 by rfoiii

[seanfingh]

Copper is quite a bull market, right now.

[thirdgreenham]

Copper is quite a bull market, right now.

 

wildly_fanciful_statement baffles brains (thumbs u

 

I mean.... +1

[Jaydogrules]

 

The Copper Age is one of the, if not the most reviled age in comics. Yes, I stand by that. And I don't feel too "special" about it, since I know that is the general consensus of the hobby at large as well.

 

-J.

 

I think copper (assuming you use the 1991 end date) is far less reviled than the 90s... Just look online at the retrospectives... the 90s are held up as largely ridiculous times...Rob Liefeld, foil stamped, multi-variant, hologram covers, birdcage fodder (thanks to ridiculous over production) that came out with very little substance behind the splash.

 

The post-copper era included a Marvel bankruptcy, a loss of all of the early Batman momentum in the movies (Batman & Robin anyone?), and almost no meaningful product development into the mainstream. Marvel relaunching the whole line with Heroes Reborn, and it being horrible. The 90s gave us Clone saga, some other guy being Batman, Electric Superman, many horrible events (Zero Hour?), Carnage showing up all over the place... The lone good thing from the post-copper 90s was the development of creator rights thanks to Image Comics and other "creator owned" publishing ventures like Vertigo. That is the good that came out of the 90s.

 

But I'll take the 80s copper every time.

 

There are a few good moments in 90s comics (LoEG was good, Marvels & Kingdom Come were good [though they relied heavily on Golden Age], the birth of Image (as I mentioned) and Vertigo, along with creator owned Hellboy and Sin City), but I'll take Crisis on Infinite Earths, Watchmen, Dark Knight Returns, Miller's Daredevil, Alan Moore on Swampthing, Byrne's FF, Claremont's 80s X-men (future past, Phoenix..) and on and on... Most reviled? Doubtful.

 

Again, you can cherry pick two dozen decent story lines from the CA, without changing the overall reality of things. You can even thrown in the sandman run while you're at it. But from a VALUE perspective it is the weakest designated age, by far. Very few investment opportunities there, and as cool as some of those stories you mentioned are, none of those books are particularly valuable. And I might add, there's a chorus out there that doesn't think some of those stories you mention have held up very well with time. I'm looking at you watchmen and dark knight returns. But like I said, to each his own.

 

-J.

 

This is what I hear when I read your posts:

 

"If you collect BA, you are a insufficiently_thoughtful_person."

 

"But feel okay about being a insufficiently_thoughtful_person."

 

I definitely don't agree, but (thumbs u

 

that's not what I'm saying at all. I have collected my fair share of copper as well. I'll never be able to travel the world by selling any of it, but I collect what I like. Let's not forget the original poll....comparing AF 15 to TMNT 1 from a value standpoint, cultural significance standpoint, impact on the genre standpoint. Eh.....There is no comparison. Hence I voted as I did. I understand two guys made that trade and if they are both happy, that's all that needs to be said. All I know is that almost every comic book collector I know wants an AF 15 in their collection. Can't come remotely close to saying that about TMNT 1.

 

-J.

[jsilverjanet]

I traded my CGC 4.0 AF15 for CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

If you have checked my recent posts, you'll know that Spiderman-on-Tilt was the other party involved.

 

He now has the CGC 4.0 AF15. IT IS NOT FOR SALE.

For those of you attempting to obtain the book from him... kindly stop it.

His name is Spiderman-on-Tilt, and I promise you, he doesn't want to sell his AF15.

(He told me he's getting offers due to my post, and he wished I hadn't posted this topic and poll, so I'm partially responsible for annoying him and I'm trying to fix it.)

 

I had two copies of AF15. The other is a CGC 2.0, but it was the first I ever bought, so I'm happy to keep it.

 

Now, I also have CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

 

Why would I do this trade, which is so obviously lopsided against me?

 

Well, first reason, because I had two copies of AF15 and none of TMNT 1.

 

Second reason, because I bought the CGC 4.0 AF15 in 2009 for a normal 2009 GPA price of $5,200.

 

In 2009, there was not a single sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

None in 2008.

The last CGC 9.6 sale in 2007 was for $9,668.

 

What I could afford for AF15 for $5,200 in 2009 was barely half of a CGC 9.6 TMNT 1.

Now I have the whole thing.

 

Next point...

 

A CGC 6.0 of TMNT 1 recently sold for $1,950.

 

Name another key issue that sells for $1,950 in CGC 6.0 which can be purchased in CGC 9.6 for under $10,000.

 

Go ahead.

 

Try.

 

Avengers 4 CGC 6.0 sells for $1,000... the 9.6 costs $20,000. 20 times higher.

Batman 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $300... the 9.6 costs $4,200. 14 times higher.

Batman 227 CGC 6.0 sells for $160... the 9.6 costs $2,000. 12 times higher.

Fantastic Four 48 CGC 6.0 sells for $370... the 9.6 costs $3,700... 10 times higher.

Hulk 181 CGC 6.0 sells for $700... the 9.6 costs $4,000. 6 times higher... and there are 217 of them, with 75 copies higher than 9.6.

 

Amazing Fantasy CGC 6.0 sells for $18,000... the 9.6 costs a million dollars... 55 times higher.

That's a special case, of course, but the CGC 9.0 AF15 costs $190,000... that's 10 times the 6.0.

 

Let's face it... key books in 9.6 cost at least 10 times more than their 6.0 values... unless there are PLENTY available (Hulk 181).

Even with Hulk 181, you're talking about 6 times the 6.0 value.

 

TMNT CGC 6.0 sells for $1,950... the 9.6 costs under $8,000. 4 times higher.

At 6 times higher, it's a $12,000 book.

At 10 times higher, it's a $20,000 book.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND...

 

What determines the price of CGC 4.0 AF #15? Well, the 4.5... minus a little.

What determines the price of CGC 4.5 AF #15? The 5.0... minus a little.

5.5, 6.0, 6.5, 7.0, etc., etc.,

 

The value of Amazing Fantasy #15 CGC 4.0 is capped by 13 higher grades... each capping the one just below it.

 

The value of TMNT #1 CGC 9.6 is capped by one higher grade.

 

I'm in the minority in my vote... but let's face it...

there's a very good chance I win this... soon.

 

I just traded a $5,200 investment... which has almost doubled... for a book that is valued about half of what it should be.

 

Bargain.

 

If not... I still have my other AF #15.

 

I can't lose.

 

 

I don't own an AF15, but was lucky last year to pick up a TMNT1 raw in the 6.0 range. I want to own a AF15 but after reading this, I don't think I'll be selling my TMNT to buy it.

 

 

[valiantman]

Let's not forget the original poll....comparing AF 15 to TMNT 1 from a value standpoint, cultural significance standpoint, impact on the genre standpoint. Eh.....There is no comparison.

The original poll compares CGC 4.0 AF15 to CGC 9.6 TMNT1.

If you ignore the grades, you're ignoring the actual comparison.

[Jaydogrules]

I didn't ignore the grades, and no, there is no comparison.

 

-J.