Where in the world was the Quality Control at CGC??? 43 43

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 5/9/2023 at 12:21 AM, jcjames said:

On 5/9/2023 at 12:19 AM, Iceman399 said:

...at some point these won't be comical....

 

They were? 

[asteroid-comix]

On 5/9/2023 at 8:35 PM, CGC Mike said:

It's my opinion that customer service will see this as acceptable.  It's not in the line of view of the book.  Again, that is my opinion.  Feel free to ask customer service for a second opinion.

There is a crack in the holder. This isn't acceptable. 

[AJD]

My first thought was that I wouldn't care if a crack like that was in a slab I bought. As Mike says, the book looks fine (and I tend to crack stuff out in any case). But then it occurred to me what a world of pain you could get into trying to sell a slab with a crack - I can hear the whining eBay buyers already. And since 3rd party grading is meant to facilitate trading by instilling confidence when buying, that sort of defect undermines the whole concept. Just my

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

As has likely been mentioned, unfortunately perhaps sooner rather than later slabs without defects will be the exception. Hopefully, their contents will be undamaged.

[Get Marwood & I]

Can anyone else see a tiny Deadpool head slap bang in the middle of that defect?

[Gaard]

On 5/10/2023 at 2:24 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

Can anyone else see a tiny Deadpool head slap bang in the middle of that defect?

Dang it, now I see it. Get outta my head dude!

[Get Marwood & I]

On 5/10/2023 at 9:07 AM, Gaard said:

Dang it, now I see it. Get outta my head dude!

 Once seen, it cannot be unseen. Typical Deadpool, messing with our heads 

[AJD]

On 5/10/2023 at 6:14 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

 Once seen, it cannot be unseen. Typical Deadpool, messing with our heads. 

And buying Wrexham FC in his spare time.

[Get Marwood & I]

On 5/10/2023 at 9:15 AM, AJD said:

And buying Wrexham FC in his spare time.

Yes, they're all at it now Andy. They do like our soccer! 

[Get Marwood & I]

On 5/10/2023 at 6:02 AM, AJD said:

And since 3rd party grading is meant to facilitate trading by instilling confidence when buying, that sort of defect undermines the whole concept. Just my

I agree with this. I don't think it is for CGC to determine what flaws are acceptable, whether that be Newton Rings, scuffs or these cracks. Would CGC tolerate any of these examples in their own advertising? If they graded a 9.9 AF15, and wanted to show it off to the world in all its crystal clear glory, do you think it would ever display any of these issues?

[Gaard]

On 5/10/2023 at 4:30 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

I agree with this Andy. I don't think it is for CGC to determine what flaws are acceptable, whether that be Newton Rings, scuffs or these cracks. Would CGC tolerate any of these examples in their own advertising? If they graded a 9.9 AF15, and wanted to show it off to the world in all its crystal clear glory, do you think it would ever display any of these issues?

This kind of addresses something that I've often wondered. We all know of the many, many quality issues. (I won't go into the lack of giving a     by CGC at this time) But I've often wondered if more care was given to the higher tiers. If a book has a higher FMV, does the chances of any of these defects (shards, NRs, smudges/scratches, cracks, and on and on) go down? Or does a book submitted under the WT tier (or whatever they're calling it these days) have the same risk of 'acceptable' defects as a book submitted under the Modern tier?

[Get Marwood & I]

On 5/10/2023 at 9:51 AM, Gaard said:

This kind of addresses something that I've often wondered. We all know of the many, many quality issues. (I won't go into the lack of giving a     by CGC at this time) But I've often wondered if more care was given to the higher tiers. If a book has a higher FMV, does the chances of any of these defects (shards, NRs, smudges/scratches, cracks, and on and on) go down? Or does a book submitted under the WT tier (or whatever they're calling it these days) have the same risk of 'acceptable' defects as a book submitted under the Modern tier?

I can't imagine CGC ever revealing that kind of information Gaard. I'm about to make my first submission, and I'm a little nervous as to what may come. I'm nervous of paying a not inconsiderable sum, getting my book back with one or more of the issues in this thread, and then having to argue with CGC about remediation. No one knows what % of submissions end trouble free, and it's likely to be the vast majority, but if anything can go wrong, I'm the type it tends to happen to. So I'm nervous, if I'm honest.

CGC choose to advertise a crystal clear product with superior optics which they say is carefully QC'd before being released. That is what you pay for. But they also state in other channels that the plastics that they use can result in an off-putting optical effect which they say is normal and acceptable. And, of course, we see all the evidence we need in this thread to establish very clearly that not all books are QC'd, as they say. So should one deal with a company that effectively wants its cake and eats it? I accept that mistakes can happen in any business, but it's the attitude prevalent in this thread and the lack of apparent after care that troubles me. If my submission goes wrong, what battles will I have to face and over what period of time?

When Roy Batty went back to the Tyrell Corporation seeking more life he was told it wasn't possible. Lots of options were discussed but the four year life span was hard-coded and that was that. Tyrell didn't advertise anything other than that because it was not technically possible to extend a Replicant's life beyond four years. So should CGC advertise crystal clear cases, when the close proximity of the plastics that they use can and does result in an optical effect that all but only the very obtuse would describe as 'crystal clear'? Should they state all books are carefully QC'd when they clearly are not?

This thread could run for another four years and I don't think anything would change. At the end of the day, it gets dark, and we have a choice. Submit, and take the chance, or don't. It's that simple. I'm going to give it a go, as it seems to be the only way I'll be able to eventually sell my book for what it is worth. That is the nature of the beast now that CGC have positioned themselves as the be all and end all in the hobby. Few people will buy a high value book for what it is worth now without that CGC guarantee. But I'll be crossing my fingers very, very hard. You don't need to be a regular submitter to have a view on this. As a first time submitter, this thread - especially the CGC responses within it - puts me off. I suspect it puts others off too. But there is no sign of anything changing. Submit, or don't.

Wish me luck!

[Miketimus_Prime]

On 5/9/2023 at 4:36 PM, asteroid-comix said:

Anyone else have this happen? Is this a defect? From the front, looks like a crack. But, on closer inspection, seems to be something with how they sealed it. Two boxes of moderns, about 50 books, all have it, but the two walkthroughs did not. This the new newton ring? 

 

[Dr. Balls]

On 5/9/2023 at 11:45 PM, Tec-Tac-Toe said:

As has likely been mentioned, unfortunately perhaps sooner rather than later slabs without defects will be the exception. Hopefully, their contents will be undamaged.

We need a 3rd party service that certifies the condition of the slab and puts a cool sticker on it in order to potentially generate more revenue.

 

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

On 5/10/2023 at 9:51 AM, Dr. Balls said:

We need a 3rd party service that certifies the condition of the slab and puts a cool sticker on it in order to potentially generate more revenue.

 

As you may know, there are at least two companies that "grade" slabbed comic books. So, why not?

[Dr. Balls]

On 5/10/2023 at 7:54 AM, Tec-Tac-Toe said:

As you may know, there are at least two companies that "grade" slabbed comic books. So, why not?

My label might be too big for the front, probably slap it on the back...

[Get Marwood & I]

On 5/10/2023 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Balls said:

 

He sounds certifiable 

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

On 5/10/2023 at 10:01 AM, Dr. Balls said:

My label might be too big for the front, probably slap it on the back...

Jimmy approves as does likely Tommy.

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

Of course, do not forget the ice pick.

Edited May 10, 2023 by Tec-Tac-Toe
Ice pick.

[asteroid-comix]

On 5/10/2023 at 1:02 AM, AJD said:

My first thought was that I wouldn't care if a crack like that was in a slab I bought. As Mike says, the book looks fine (and I tend to crack stuff out in any case). But then it occurred to me what a world of pain you could get into trying to sell a slab with a crack - I can hear the whining eBay buyers already. And since 3rd party grading is meant to facilitate trading by instilling confidence when buying, that sort of defect undermines the whole concept. Just my

That's the issue. These are not personal copies, or they wouldn't be in plastic. These are to resell. Why should I take a $25-40 hit on the price of the book because CGC did pisspoor work?

Edited May 10, 2023 by asteroid-comix