November 2015 Heritage Signature Auction Thread 1 1

[bocaratondefense]

 

The next two links:

 

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/spider-mans-best-covers/1100-148735/

 

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/07/the-15-best-amazing-spider-man-covers-of-all-time/16

 

No #98 on either list.

 

The second link has ASM #98 ranked number six.

 

1. ASM 50

2. ASM 39

3. ASM 33

4. ASM 129

5. ASM 43 Vol 2

6. ASM 98

 

Hard to argue with any of these, aside from ASM #43 Vol 2 by John Romita Jr. It is all subjective, but I would say ASM 98 is a better looking cover than the remaining 14 on the list.

[Lucky Baru]

The GL 76 cover and ASM 98 cover were both in my opinion and as such I did not bid on them.

 

I did however win this. And its awesome...

 

 

Did anyone else win any art other than the GL76 and ASM 98?

 

That is a killer cover.

 

I like this cover as well - I figured out why... it seems to be an homage to Zeck's Cap #286 cover with the character that Zeck made popular - the Punisher. Wonder if that's what Sienkiewicz had in mind or it just turned out that way.

 

Also, it makes you think back to ASM 129.

[Lucky Baru]

 

Anyone else notice that The Punisher looks a lot like Clint Eastwood?

[Bronty]

There is not much talk ( if any) about the Kirby Journey into Mystery cover.

 

It is a very bold cover image, large art and Wood inking. I think an impressive piece.

Still 155k is a lot of cash.

And the Thor image is small. ( Would a larger Thor image then go for 200-250K )

Is this the result of "image is king( even though the main image is not Thor)" combined with the "Kirby/Wood" combination?

Just wondering ....

 

I don't know, but I saw a comparable for it as being the TOS 84 super adaptoid cover (which sold around... 185k? a while back) , but not as nice because its less dynamic and the small thor as you say. With that in mind I thought it was at the top end of the expected range which I figure was 100-150?

 

It seems high to me relative to the ASM 98 - would have pegged the thor at 2/3 the value of the ASM.

[Doc Joe]

I think if it's a cover you know about and have a connection to the comic it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to separate any emotional connection to it....even worse if your dying father handed you that book from his bed and said this book changed his life....then slowly passed as you pryed the comic from his clenched dead hand while throwing yourself sobbing on his body yelling "fatherrrrrr.."

 

I have books like that that the art means way more to me than others and when I get it for 10k I'm like what's wrong with you people it's worth 3x that - to me.

 

Then there are things like Sienk cover that I did not know about before but as soon as I saw it I was like...I must have this! No emotional attachment, just pure art interest

 

The ultimate guide is my wife who hates all things comic related and refers to me as an embarrassment a few times every day.

 

Her take on anything that features a woman on it is that it is porn. The life story of Mother Teresa managed to avoid that moniker but it was a close run thing. (Dazzler is 'hard core porn')

 

So when she looked at my Sale long Halloween cover and went , "wow, that's really cool, I like that" I feel it was a truly pure appreciation of art and lay out. T'was a beautiful thing.

 

GL76 is a spectacularly important issue in comics history, personally I DO think the art is appealing but I know I can't separate my affection for the issue and run and the story from that.

 

So I suggest you show a piece to your wife and see the response; the vast majority will be an eye roll and indifference but in the end one cover will get like 4 votes and the other will get 3 (out of 75 wives tested) - fact: only they can truly tell us who is right.

 

[Bronty]

 

Anyone else notice that The Punisher looks a lot like Clint Eastwood?

 

I suppose

 

[Bronty]

I think if it's a cover you know about and have a connection to the comic it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to separate any emotional connection to it....even worse if your dying father handed you that book from his bed and said this book changed his life....then slowly passed as you pryed the comic from his clenched dead hand while throwing yourself sobbing on his body yelling "fatherrrrrr.."

 

I have books like that that the art means way more to me than others and when I get it for 10k I'm like what's wrong with you people it's worth 3x that - to me.

 

Then there are things like Sienk cover that I did not know about before but as soon as I saw it I was like...I must have this! No emotional attachment, just pure art interest

 

The ultimate guide is my wife who hates all things comic related and refers to me as an embarrassment a few times every day.

 

Her take on anything that features a woman on it is that it is porn. The life story of Mother Teresa managed to avoid that moniker but it was a close run thing. (Dazzler is 'hard core porn')

 

So when she looked at my Sale long Halloween cover and went , "wow, that's really cool, I like that" I feel it was a truly pure appreciation of art and lay out. T'was a beautiful thing.

 

GL76 is a spectacularly important issue in comics history, personally I DO think the art is appealing but I know I can't separate my affection for the issue and run and the story from that.

 

So I suggest you show a piece to your wife and see the response; the vast majority will be an eye roll and indifference but in the end one cover will get like 4 votes and the other will get 3 (out of 75 wives tested) - fact: only they can truly tell us who is right.

 

 

Most of my pieces are paintings so its a little different but I can handicap my wife's reactions when she comes across them like this.

 

0/10 - has violence and/or guns. Better not hang that up or the wall!

1/10 - anything else

10/10 - cartoon animals/ bright colors

[bluechip]

None of this is much about image quality anyways?

 

Not sure what you are talking about - my entire original point was that the Spidey #98 cover would look nicer on the wall next to the GL #76. My whole point was solely about how the image looks and how people relate to it. With the GL #76, you have to write an essay to explain why it's the better, more important, more valuable cover. The Spidey cover speaks for itself - "look at me, I'm awesome."

 

That's actually not what I wrote. I think (with a new modified logo especially), the GL 76 cover looks better than the Spidey 98. Period. Better drawing. Better inking. Better layout. Bigger impact. Not even close. GIl Kane=Neal Adams? Please.

 

And oh yeah, it has some serious history and distinction to sweeten it's appeal, but like all things this is just my

 

Scott

 

 

Regarding "serious history and distinction," I would bet that more layfolk are familiar with the spider-man drug story defying the comics code than are familiar with how the GL 76 issue figured into the history of DC's turn toward relevance.

 

Doubtful. I'm a comic guy and couldn't tell you about the spidey story. Gl 76 is one of the iconic comic covers in comic land. No denying that. The asm 98 cover is nice but nothing memorable to people outside those that grew up with spidey during that period.

 

I was referring to the general awareness of the ASM 96-98 storyline. It has been retold countless times in books and articles and in interviews with Stan Lee.

 

I would have to agree with Michael Douglas' double (that;s easier than checking the spelling on his board name) that the average person is unlikely to be aware of either storyline, there's no question that among the small percentage who know of either or both, there is almost certainly a higher percentage of average people aware of the Marvel drugs comics code story than they are about the significance GL 76 -- and that's just aside from any facts or opinions that one is or isn't a better work or art, or has more impact on hard corps comics fans,

 

Edited November 22, 2015 by bluechip

[vodou]

Speaking of kinkade...

 

I had someone in the office tell me about this amazing artist and wonderful work that was quite expensive and when I finally got the name out of them it was tom kinkade

I dated a girl that found out I was into art, so she told me all about this Kinkade guy (whom I'd never heard of)...interesting...then I saw the images online, the lame hand-touched "print" marketing scheme, the glossy brochures and catalogs, and finally the many franchise stores scattered around the country. Mostly God's Country. I was -like- "wow" and couldn't believe anybody could fall for that. It was really too bad. She was not stupid, athletic and rather sexy; we parted ways soon after

[Doc Joe]

I think if it's a cover you know about and have a connection to the comic it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to separate any emotional connection to it....even worse if your dying father handed you that book from his bed and said this book changed his life....then slowly passed as you pryed the comic from his clenched dead hand while throwing yourself sobbing on his body yelling "fatherrrrrr.."

 

I have books like that that the art means way more to me than others and when I get it for 10k I'm like what's wrong with you people it's worth 3x that - to me.

 

Then there are things like Sienk cover that I did not know about before but as soon as I saw it I was like...I must have this! No emotional attachment, just pure art interest

 

The ultimate guide is my wife who hates all things comic related and refers to me as an embarrassment a few times every day.

 

Her take on anything that features a woman on it is that it is porn. The life story of Mother Teresa managed to avoid that moniker but it was a close run thing. (Dazzler is 'hard core porn')

 

So when she looked at my Sale long Halloween cover and went , "wow, that's really cool, I like that" I feel it was a truly pure appreciation of art and lay out. T'was a beautiful thing.

 

GL76 is a spectacularly important issue in comics history, personally I DO think the art is appealing but I know I can't separate my affection for the issue and run and the story from that.

 

So I suggest you show a piece to your wife and see the response; the vast majority will be an eye roll and indifference but in the end one cover will get like 4 votes and the other will get 3 (out of 75 wives tested) - fact: only they can truly tell us who is right.

 

 

Most of my pieces are paintings so its a little different but I can handicap my wife's reactions when she comes across them like this.

 

0/10 - has violence and/or guns. Better not hang that up or the wall!

1/10 - anything else

10/10 - cartoon animals/ bright colors

 

11/10 - puppies.

 

[Bronty]

None of this is much about image quality anyways?

 

Not sure what you are talking about - my entire original point was that the Spidey #98 cover would look nicer on the wall next to the GL #76. My whole point was solely about how the image looks and how people relate to it. With the GL #76, you have to write an essay to explain why it's the better, more important, more valuable cover. The Spidey cover speaks for itself - "look at me, I'm awesome."

 

That's actually not what I wrote. I think (with a new modified logo especially), the GL 76 cover looks better than the Spidey 98. Period. Better drawing. Better inking. Better layout. Bigger impact. Not even close. GIl Kane=Neal Adams? Please.

 

And oh yeah, it has some serious history and distinction to sweeten it's appeal, but like all things this is just my

 

Scott

 

 

Regarding "serious history and distinction," I would bet that more layfolk are familiar with the spider-man drug story defying the comics code than are familiar with how the GL 76 issue figured into the history of DC's turn toward relevance.

 

Doubtful. I'm a comic guy and couldn't tell you about the spidey story. Gl 76 is one of the iconic comic covers in comic land. No denying that. The asm 98 cover is nice but nothing memorable to people outside those that grew up with spidey during that period.

 

I was referring to the general awareness of the ASM 96-98 storyline. It has been retold countless times in books and articles and in interviews with Stan Lee.

 

There's no question that a higher percentage of people who are not hard corps comics fans are more likely to be aware of the Marvel drugs comics code story than they are about the significance GL 76 -- and that's just aside from any facts or opinions that one is or isn't a better work or art, or has more impact on hard corps comics fans,

 

YOu mean 0.000001 vs 0.000002% ?

[Bronty]

I think if it's a cover you know about and have a connection to the comic it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to separate any emotional connection to it....even worse if your dying father handed you that book from his bed and said this book changed his life....then slowly passed as you pryed the comic from his clenched dead hand while throwing yourself sobbing on his body yelling "fatherrrrrr.."

 

I have books like that that the art means way more to me than others and when I get it for 10k I'm like what's wrong with you people it's worth 3x that - to me.

 

Then there are things like Sienk cover that I did not know about before but as soon as I saw it I was like...I must have this! No emotional attachment, just pure art interest

 

The ultimate guide is my wife who hates all things comic related and refers to me as an embarrassment a few times every day.

 

Her take on anything that features a woman on it is that it is porn. The life story of Mother Teresa managed to avoid that moniker but it was a close run thing. (Dazzler is 'hard core porn')

 

So when she looked at my Sale long Halloween cover and went , "wow, that's really cool, I like that" I feel it was a truly pure appreciation of art and lay out. T'was a beautiful thing.

 

GL76 is a spectacularly important issue in comics history, personally I DO think the art is appealing but I know I can't separate my affection for the issue and run and the story from that.

 

So I suggest you show a piece to your wife and see the response; the vast majority will be an eye roll and indifference but in the end one cover will get like 4 votes and the other will get 3 (out of 75 wives tested) - fact: only they can truly tell us who is right.

 

 

Most of my pieces are paintings so its a little different but I can handicap my wife's reactions when she comes across them like this.

 

0/10 - has violence and/or guns. Better not hang that up or the wall!

1/10 - anything else

10/10 - cartoon animals/ bright colors

 

11/10 - puppies.

 

 

[Bronty]

Speaking of kinkade...

 

I had someone in the office tell me about this amazing artist and wonderful work that was quite expensive and when I finally got the name out of them it was tom kinkade

I dated a girl that found out I was into art, so she told me all about this Kinkade guy (whom I'd never heard of)...interesting...then I saw the images online, the lame hand-touched "print" marketing scheme, the glossy brochures and catalogs, and finally the many franchise stores scattered around the country. Mostly God's Country. I was -like- "wow" and couldn't believe anybody could fall for that. It was really too bad. She was not stupid, athletic and rather sexy; we parted ways soon after

 

the person in my office is of faith as well. Kinkade made inroads in that market I guess.

[vodou]

There's no question that a higher percentage of people who are not hard corps comics fans are more likely to be aware of the Marvel drugs comics code story than they are about the significance GL 76 -- and that's just aside from any facts or opinions that one is or isn't a better work or art, or has more impact on hard corps comics fans,

 

YOu mean 0.000001 vs 0.000002% ?

Seriously. I cannot imagine even a single person in my entire life going backward that wasn't a comics fan knowing anything about either. Further they would never have heard of Green Lantern or Arrow, as neither had a cartoon series or was on the Electric Company. Seriously.

[bluechip]

All of this just underscores how we should all stop the 'appeal to the layman' arguments though. I mean WTF cares what they think if they aren't knowledgeable or in the market or both.

 

I don't think this reflects the opinion of the layman, though.

 

Well the true layman wouldn't even be familiar with 10 spiderman covers. Would they even be familiar with 1? So whether its the pure layman, or the layman--editor of TMZ, the lists/opinions thereof are farcical as you say.

 

Laymen's awareness of a character, a story, a book, or a cover, can make something more popular just because collectors know that their decision to buy something and display it will be less likely to garner odd reactions from their friends and colleagues who are not hard-corps fans. I remember when I was younger and business colleagues looked askance if and when they discovered I had a comics collection, but that would be far less likely today. I have seen a huge shift in the number of people in my circles who consider it cool to collect comics and/or comic art, and I know people who have bought items they would not have bought prior to the increased awareness. They feel more comfortable with it because everybody they know is aware of these comics their stories and their characters and their value is more generally accepted.

Edited November 22, 2015 by bluechip

[vodou]

Speaking of kinkade...

 

I had someone in the office tell me about this amazing artist and wonderful work that was quite expensive and when I finally got the name out of them it was tom kinkade

I dated a girl that found out I was into art, so she told me all about this Kinkade guy (whom I'd never heard of)...interesting...then I saw the images online, the lame hand-touched "print" marketing scheme, the glossy brochures and catalogs, and finally the many franchise stores scattered around the country. Mostly God's Country. I was -like- "wow" and couldn't believe anybody could fall for that. It was really too bad. She was not stupid, athletic and rather sexy; we parted ways soon after

 

the person in my office is of faith as well. Kinkade made inroads in that market I guess.

"Of faith", a very kind way of putting it. Sometimes I forget there is a gentle touch that can be employed

 

This one, seemed a good catch upfront (no pun, but still there for you Bronty), but ended up she could only receive pleasure but not give it...because she wasn't certain she loved me. Seemed pretty selfish to me! What would Jesus do?

[Bronty]

@bluechip

 

Yes. I ordered 10 copies for spidey 229 today to display on the wall and boost my self esteem when people come over and say, "oh cool I saw that on a list on the internet"

 

Don't get me wrong, there is some minimal effect as you say. But its a 1/10 on the who cares meter.

[batman_fan]

 

The next two links:

 

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/spider-mans-best-covers/1100-148735/

 

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/07/the-15-best-amazing-spider-man-covers-of-all-time/16

 

No #98 on either list.

 

The second link has ASM #98 ranked number six.

 

1. ASM 50

2. ASM 39

3. ASM 33

4. ASM 129

5. ASM 43 Vol 2

6. ASM 98

 

Hard to argue with any of these, aside from ASM #43 Vol 2 by John Romita Jr. It is all subjective, but I would say ASM 98 is a better looking cover than the remaining 14 on the list.

 

I am actually not a big fan on ASM 33 cover. The story is great and a lot of the internal pages are awesome, but the cover, not so much.

[Bronty]

Speaking of kinkade...

 

I had someone in the office tell me about this amazing artist and wonderful work that was quite expensive and when I finally got the name out of them it was tom kinkade

I dated a girl that found out I was into art, so she told me all about this Kinkade guy (whom I'd never heard of)...interesting...then I saw the images online, the lame hand-touched "print" marketing scheme, the glossy brochures and catalogs, and finally the many franchise stores scattered around the country. Mostly God's Country. I was -like- "wow" and couldn't believe anybody could fall for that. It was really too bad. She was not stupid, athletic and rather sexy; we parted ways soon after

 

the person in my office is of faith as well. Kinkade made inroads in that market I guess.

"Of faith", a very kind way of putting it. Sometimes I forget there is a gentle touch that can be employed

 

This one, seemed a good catch upfront (no pun, but still there for you Bronty), but ended up she could only receive pleasure but not give it...because she wasn't certain she loved me. Seemed pretty selfish to me! What would Jesus do?

 

Yeah I'm not going near that one.

[Bronty]

 

The next two links:

 

http://www.comicvine.com/articles/spider-mans-best-covers/1100-148735/

 

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/07/the-15-best-amazing-spider-man-covers-of-all-time/16

 

No #98 on either list.

 

The second link has ASM #98 ranked number six.

 

1. ASM 50

2. ASM 39

3. ASM 33

4. ASM 129

5. ASM 43 Vol 2

6. ASM 98

 

Hard to argue with any of these, aside from ASM #43 Vol 2 by John Romita Jr. It is all subjective, but I would say ASM 98 is a better looking cover than the remaining 14 on the list.

 

I am actually not a big fan on ASM 33 cover. The story is great and a lot of the internal pages are awesome, but the cover, not so much.

 

yes!