theCapraAegagrus Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 13 hours ago, media_junkie said: There absolutely should have been a MOS sequel that focused on Superman. I think it should have come before BvS. WB hates good ideas. Larryw7, D84, media_junkie and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 Larryw7 and bentbryan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 23 hours ago, Bosco685 said: God dammit, Richard. *You're Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 WB executives are just too clueless to steward DC properties. David Goyer was interviewed about his Hollywood experiences (including the story about Blade: Trinity and his choking by Wesley Snipes). He shared this little piece of WB experience. Muno42 and theCapraAegagrus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media_junkie Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 2:47 PM, Bosco685 said: WB executives are just too clueless to steward DC properties. David Goyer was interviewed about his Hollywood experiences (including the story about Blade: Trinity and his choking by Wesley Snipes). He shared this little piece of WB experience. Geez, if that is true, I mean seriously WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/22/2021 at 4:37 PM, media_junkie said: Geez, if that is true, I mean seriously WTF? Like they didn't even watch the screening of the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bosco685 Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 7:41 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: Leave it to a WB exec to end up on the Dumbest -script Note I Ever Received list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 8:41 AM, Bosco685 said: Leave it to a WB exec to end up on the Dumbest --script Note I Ever Received list. It shows that WB understands general audiences! "Martha!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media_junkie Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 On 7/23/2021 at 8:41 AM, Bosco685 said: Leave it to a WB exec to end up on the Dumbest --script Note I Ever Received list. I would have to think in this day and age you would be extremely hard pressed to find someone that didn't know that Krypton exploded which is why Superman was sent to earth. However WB managed to find that one person and put him in charge of a Superman movie. Bosco685, theCapraAegagrus and Larryw7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted August 15, 2021 Author Share Posted August 15, 2021 When someone tries to convince you Man of Steel lost money or drastically underperformed... On 8/15/2021 at 1:31 PM, Bosco685 said: Oh, ye of little research. First it cleared $170M in product placement before the movie was even released. How Superman has made $170million without even selling a ticket: Man of Steel takes product placement to new level Something Disney established a department to generate such revenue like this years before. Which our good fellow Gatsby and you did not realize and used to laugh about that figure was the total dollar value of branded products donated to WB Studios as set pieces. Then it actually hit the 3.0X production budget target ($668.05M) which with expenses countered by the $170M leads to it making even more revenue than was realized. Which is right where Thor (2011) was at 3.0X, higher than Captain American: The First Avenger (2.6X), and just below Iron Man II (3.1X). Though I am sure they had no marketing budgets - but WB/DC films do - in your analysis. Then it made $120M alone in Domestic Home Theater sales in DVD's and blurays (digital is much larger but unaccounted for as a hidden market). The international figure is not published as the market is so distributed across many countries. theCapraAegagrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 4:09 PM, Bosco685 said: When someone tries to convince you Man of Steel lost money or drastically underperformed... People on Reddit have been trying to convince me that all of Zack Snyder's DC films have lost money. Bosco685 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 6:47 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: People on Reddit have been trying to convince me that all of Zack Snyder's DC films have lost money. Guess what? If you compare the first 6 films from the MCU vs 'DCEU' the results may surprise you. WB Studios just had no faith in its comic book films most probably because they assume it is a smaller audience. Which is idiotic on their part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 7:16 AM, Bosco685 said: Guess what? If you compare the first 6 films from the MCU vs 'DCEU' the results may surprise you. WB Studios just had no faith in its comic book films most probably because they assume it is a smaller audience. Which is idiotic on their part. WB's problem was patience. They wanted MCU money and thought they could skip putting in the foundation, going through the growing pains, and having a defined long term plan. They wanted the MCU's level of success at that moment in time, ignoring the earlier days. They also seemed so set on not being viewed as copying Marvel, that they were unable to separate the Marvel feel (movie tone, type of humor, look, formula, etc), from the need to world build which is essential to a shared universe regardless of franchise. That world building was not exclusively Marvel, just the MCU did it exceeding well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 10:38 AM, drotto said: WB's problem was patience. They wanted MCU money and thought they could skip putting in the foundation, going through the growing pains, and having a defined long term plan. They wanted the MCU's level of success at that moment in time, ignoring the earlier days. They also seemed so set on not being viewed as copying Marvel, that they were unable to separate the Marvel feel (movie tone, type of humor, look, formula, etc), from the need to world build which is essential to a shared universe regardless of franchise. That world building was not exclusively Marvel, just the MCU did it exceeding well. Agreed! After the reaction to The Incredible Hulk the Marvel Studios leadership and MCC could have lost their cool and scrambled to make drastic changes: they didn't! WB Studios has played at a dedicated Worlds of DC Studio while still keeping a WB exec as co-lead. Which means it never cut the apron strings completely. Even with Geoff Johns as President of DC Films, it was with Jon Berg as co-lead to represent WB Studios' interest. Warner Bros. Shakes Up Executive Roles (Exclusive) What a waste of solid IP potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 10:38 AM, drotto said: ...They also seemed so set on not being viewed as copying Marvel, that they were unable to separate the Marvel feel (movie tone, type of humor, look, formula, etc), from the need to world build which is essential to a shared universe regardless of franchise... It was more the fact that Zack Snyder wanted to do Superman and then JL - himself - in 5 movies. The characters would branch off after JL with their own explorations. His 5 films were clearly Superman-centric, similar to how the MCU was very Iron Man-centric. As ZSJL shows, it could have been done. Marvel Studios didn't expect Iron Man 2 to get $1 billion at the box office. They stayed the course, and The Avengers showed that there was staying power. WB wasn't happy that BvS "only" made $875 million, despite the fact that they themselves are a cause for the outcome. We'll never know what may have happened with a PG-13 version of the UC. Why was the TC cut created? "More showing. More money (we hope)." Why was Josstice League created? "Bonuses. Money. Less runtime = more money (we hope)." Good art commands money; Not greed. bentbryan, Larryw7 and Bosco685 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickSp Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 12:16 PM, Bosco685 said: Guess what? If you compare the first 6 films from the MCU vs 'DCEU' the results may surprise you. WB Studios just had no faith in its comic book films most probably because they assume it is a smaller audience. Which is idiotic on their part. It's an interesting view, if they'd stayed the course who knows what could of worked out. As a comic fan since being a kid I still find it crazy to see lists like this. Imagine your younger self finding out all this was coming your way on the big screen. Bosco685 and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 11:25 AM, RickSp said: It's an interesting view, if they'd stayed the course who knows what could of worked out. As a comic fan since being a kid I still find it crazy to see lists like this. Imagine your younger self finding out all this was coming your way on the big screen. It truly is crazy how much content fans have experienced over the past 10-11 years alone. And yet they take it to studio wars and in-fighting to prove one is so much better than the other. Yet if WB had just held the course it may have surprised itself. RickSp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
media_junkie Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 11:25 AM, RickSp said: Imagine your younger self finding out all this was coming your way on the big screen. Ah yes, to be able to go back to the year 2004 and buy up all the Tales of Suspense 39 copies I could get my hands on. bentbryan, Larryw7 and Bosco685 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drotto Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) On 8/16/2021 at 10:51 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: It was more the fact that Zack Snyder wanted to do Superman and then JL - himself - in 5 movies. The characters would branch off after JL with their own explorations. His 5 films were clearly Superman-centric, similar to how the MCU was very Iron Man-centric. As ZSJL shows, it could have been done. Marvel Studios didn't expect Iron Man 2 to get $1 billion at the box office. They stayed the course, and The Avengers showed that there was staying power. WB wasn't happy that BvS "only" made $875 million, despite the fact that they themselves are a cause for the outcome. We'll never know what may have happened with a PG-13 version of the UC. Why was the TC cut created? "More showing. More money (we hope)." Why was Josstice League created? "Bonuses. Money. Less runtime = more money (we hope)." Good art commands money; Not greed. Studio interference and over correction has plagued the DCU. I believe Snyder wanted to take a slower approach, where we would have had a second Superman film, then BvS type film leading into the two movie Justice Leagues. BVS got pushed to the forefront when fans wanted to see Superman fight Batman. The studio feeling this was the quick way to reach a billion dollar film, said this is what the fans want (and we want the money), so let's just make this next. Thus disrupting Snyder's plan, which probably would have worked better. They honestly should of at least had one Batman film prior to BvS to establish this version of Batman (not an origin film). Edited August 16, 2021 by drotto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
