MOST VALUABLE MODERN VARIANTS - THE RANKINGS 17 17

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/2/2023 at 7:32 PM, valiantman said:

All the data would include the market share also. The collective value of these variants. The books people actually have the most money invested in. ASM 667 has never come close to UF 4... not even close. Just one book is not the market. Four sales of a book is not the market. The whole market is the market.

Don't ignore the forest of a variant, by clinging to individual trees chopped down a year ago.

Attempting a "market cap" analysis on comic books is messy.  Especially when there's well under 100 slabs in existence of a particular high priced book.   That's why I don't do it.  But I could see why someone else might try to do it.  And I'm looking at head to head 9.8 sales, in addition to below grades that have all happened in the last few months  not only a year ago.   

-J.

[valiantman]

Market cap isn't messy when it's a runaway blowout. UF4 over ASM667 by a landslide. Collectors value UF4 significantly more than ASM667, so much so that any way you calculate market cap, it's UF4 by a mile.

If you don't use market cap, then one sale of one unique Marvel book (and you know they'll do one someday) for $100,000+ will make all these sales meaningless. ASM 667 is bigger than a six-figure 1-of-1 Marvel (which is inevitable). Market cap is already the reason why.

ASM 667 Dell'Otto is probably $1,000,000 in market cap.

Edited March 3, 2023 by valiantman

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/2/2023 at 7:44 PM, valiantman said:

Market cap isn't messy when it's a runaway blowout. UF4 over ASM667 by a landslide. Collectors value UF4 significantly more than ASM667, so much so that any way you calculate market cap, it's UF4 by a mile.

If you don't use market cap, then one sale of one unique Marvel book (and you know they'll do one someday) for $100,000 will make all these sales meaningless. ASM 667 is bigger than a six-figure 1-of-1 Marvel (which is inevitable). Market cap is already the reason why.

No.  Market cap IS messy because it assumes all copies would sell for the same top dollar amount, and that is not reality.  Case in point, this copy of UF 4 just sold for over $10k less than the one copy that supposedly sold on heritage just a couple of weeks ago.  

-J.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 3/2/2023 at 10:17 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Lol I'm just following the data bub. ALL the data.  

 

-J.

That's just it; I'm looking at the relevant comparable data.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 3/2/2023 at 11:01 PM, Jaydogrules said:

No.  Market cap IS messy because it assumes all copies would sell for the same top dollar amount, and that is not reality.  Case in point, this copy of UF 4 just sold for over $10k less than the one copy that supposedly sold on heritage just a couple of weeks ago.  

-J.

A copy of each book in the same grade sold on Heritage within days of each other, and UF4 won. A copy of each book in the same grade sold on ComicLink within days of each other, and UF4 won. 

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/2/2023 at 8:13 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

That's just it; I'm looking at the relevant comparable data.

Me too.  And it's currently 4-2 Dell'otto in 9.8's and a clean sweep for the Dell'otto in all lower grades. 

-J.

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 3/2/2023 at 11:01 PM, Jaydogrules said:

No.  Market cap IS messy because it assumes all copies would sell for the same top dollar amount, and that is not reality.  Case in point, this copy of UF 4 just sold for over $10k less than the one copy that supposedly sold on heritage just a couple of weeks ago.  

-J.

No mention of how the 667 sold for nearly 10K less as well?

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/2/2023 at 8:22 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

No mention of how the 667 sold for nearly 10K less as well?

Because it sold for 7 less and it didn't have a second 9.8 copy in the same auction that also sold for more than 10k less like the UF 4 did.  

-J.

Edited March 3, 2023 by Jaydogrules

[valiantman]

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

On 3/2/2023 at 11:21 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Me too.  And it's currently 4-2 Dell'otto in 9.8's and a clean sweep for the Dell'otto in all lower grades. 

-J.

We get it; you're creating the rules that support your conclusion.

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/3/2023 at 7:39 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

We get it; you're creating the rules that support your conclusion.

I created a criteria, as spelled out and unchanged since page 1 of this thread from several years ago, before some of the books on it now were even published,  that  ranks these books based on a direct sales comparison methodology with tiebreakers. That's the comparison.  

-J.

[valiantman]

On 3/3/2023 at 9:39 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

On 3/2/2023 at 10:21 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Me too.  And it's currently 4-2 Dell'otto in 9.8's and a clean sweep for the Dell'otto in all lower grades. 

-J.

We get it; you're creating the rules that support your conclusion.

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:03 AM, valiantman said:

The data - 4-2 Dell'otto 9.8.   Undefeated in all lower grades.  

-J.

[valiantman]

On 3/3/2023 at 10:06 AM, Jaydogrules said:

The data - 4-2 Dell'otto 9.8.   Undefeated in all lower grades.  

-J.

Most recent sales, head to head... last night.

UF#4 beat ASM667 by THOUSANDS of DOLLARS during the same auction, minutes apart.

Currently, ASM#667 is in 2nd place.

No one (but you) cares what happened 5 sales ago.

Cherry pickin' like there's no one watchin'.

Edited March 3, 2023 by valiantman

[Broke as a Joke]

Congratulations to the new variant king.  UF4 -- the demand is real and growing.  Don't see it stopping now.  

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:13 AM, valiantman said:

Most recent sales, head to head... last night.

UF#4 beat ASM667 by THOUSANDS of DOLLARS during the same auction, minutes apart.

Currently, ASM#667 is in 2nd place.

No one (but you) cares what happened 5 sales ago.

Cherry pickin' like there's no one watchin'.

"The data" isn't one data point. That's called cherry picking.🙄 It isn't even two data points. In this case we have 6. And 9.8 is not the only grade these books are sold in.  That's called looking at ALL the date. 

-J.

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:18 AM, Broke as a Joke said:

Congratulations to the new variant king.  UF4 -- the demand is real and growing.  Don't see it stopping now.  

4-2 Dell'otto.

-J.

[valiantman]

On 3/3/2023 at 10:20 AM, Jaydogrules said:

"The data" isn't one data point. That's called cherry picking.🙄 It isn't even two data points. In this case we have 6. And 9.8 is not the only grade these books are sold in.  That's called looking at ALL the date. 

-J.

The CURRENT ranking is looking at the most recent comparison available.

UF#4 won by THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in a direct head-to-head battle.

The Super Bowl battle for #1 was last night. We all saw the winner.

The trophy goes in the hands of the winner, not in the loser's owner's box, because he remembers that time that he didn't lose.

Edited March 3, 2023 by valiantman

[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

[Jaydogrules]

On 3/3/2023 at 8:38 AM, valiantman said:

The CURRENT ranking is looking at the most recent comparison available.

UF#4 won by THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in a direct head-to-head battle.

The Super Bowl battle for #1 was last night. We all saw the winner.

The trophy goes in the hands of the winner, not in the loser's owner's box, because he remembers that time that he didn't lose.

Incorrect. This list is weighted and has become increasingly more so as these books have aged and more sales have occurred.  Which is why the top 10 has remained virtually unchanged for years and I ultimately decided to double it to make it more interesting and relevant.  

-J.