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[skypinkblu]

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired. People have had it out for me in that thread since the beginning so I didn't want to rock the boat.

 

Regarding my eBay sales, I grade the best I can when putting up several hundred comics each week. I offer a no-questions-asked 14-day return policy where I even pay the return shipping if anyone isn't satisfied for any reason (including the book's grade). I am a Top-Rated Power Seller on there with nearly $100,000 in sales over the past 12 months (nearly all raw comics). I have 99.7% positive feedback (over 500 this month alone) and high Detailed Seller Ratings across the board (including "Item As Described"). If someone isn't satisfied with a grade on any book they purchase I have them return it and I re-evaluate my grade before I re-list. Nearly all of the time I will inquire exactly what the buyer thought was wrong in my grading so I can improve.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

Good for you on posting.

[Columbia Comics]

It is difficult to grade a book by scans. As a result, the PGM forum has historically *undergraded* books . This is a well known fact to board members who have been here for a long while. There are psychological reasons involved, too, that needn't be gotten into here.

 

I agree with this statement.

 

It's easy to undergrade here to be "safe" and not set expectations too high. Also, there's a hidden pressure to not overgrade in the PGM because you can look bad if you're wrong. I don't post PGMs often. The last one I did got a lot of 8.0s and 8.5s and only one 9.0 assessment. CGC came back with a 9.0. This example illustrates the above.

 

Another thing to consider is that scans are overly critical of a books condition. What I mean by that is that scans reveal issues that really don't stand out in hand. So a book could look much better in hand than on a scan.

 

Just my

 

And for the record I have bought books from Chip once (I think) and had no issues.

 

One final thought: I think this issue would be much worse if Chip was selling a book here as a 4.0 and then listing it on eBay as a 5.5 (in the previous example). Getting the opinions of others and then making a decision "on the ground" is a different thing in my mind.

 

Almost always in the same direction, though?

 

Isn't it a bit telling that he's not attempting to make any of these points in his own behalf?

 

Coming into this thread and commenting will do nothing but toss fuel on the fire. It's just what the big trolls want, right Boboset??

 

No. What I want is honesty and transparency when it comes to selling the funny books that I love so much. I'm disappointed, but not at all surprised, that you don't see that.

 

You think dealing the same book here as a 4.0 but on ebay as a 5.5 is ok? As Chips biggest defender, it's safe to assume you are ok with that. Correct?

 

I'm not so much defending Chip as I am attacking your malicious practices. You're the first person to jump all over someone based on unfounded allegations.

 

I hate to break it to you...but the people offering up grades in the PGM thread aren't very good...and its probably no fault of their own as I've said, and WILL SAY IT AGAIN, you cannot grade a comic based on a two dimensional image. You need the book in hand.

 

Honestly and transparency you say? So if he posts a book in the PGM thread...and let's say the avg is a 4.5...yet he feels it's a 5.0 to 5.5, should he post both opinions?

 

Something like: CGC boards grade it a 4.5 (but they're usually low (and sometimes REAL low). I give it a 5.5....so maybe it falls in the middle?

 

transparency would be saying an ad page has been removed or a MVS has been cut out. I don't believe he's flat out trying to deceive. How the hell can you deceive when you're offering up an opinion based on a flawed system?? And mind you, who's grading standards are we applying? B/c OSPG and CGC aren't N'Sync

 

If you have a problem, just don't buy. Or make your own judgments instead of relying on a seller's assessment. And if you're unhappy, return the book. Its pretty simple.

 

Yet you continue to cause a big stink....krap in the TGT thread and cause headache after headache...but I guess since its for the "funny books that you love" its all ok. Correct??

 

Brock,

 

I see what you're saying. But in this situation, I think the main issue is being overlooked. The issue doesn't lie with the grades estimated in the PGM (because, yes, they're flawed). The issue is that Chip listed the book on eBay as a 5.5, and IN HIS OWN POST, said the grade was a 4.0 in TGT. So it's not about what grades were in the PGM. It's that Chip listed his own opinion of the grades on two different places and two different numbers.

 

I understand your point of view here, but I don't think the is because of PGM.

 

I haven't seen any of the posts/threads you're referencing. If that's the case, then maybe he made a mistake, maybe not. I haven't asked him that....

 

But I can also attest to grading very conservatively on here when selling raw books. I can specifically name two instances where I sold raw books:

 

An X-Men 141 - I graded it an 8.5; CGC disagreed, gave it a 9.6 :shrug:

An ST 37 - I said 9.2, maybe 9.4; CGC disagreed, gave it a 9.6 as well.

 

The second example isn't as extreme as the first, but there's a reason people ask me if we're having a raw sale....I tend to go a grade lower just to be "safe."

 

Why? B/c buyers here would crucify sellers if they sold a 9.0 book that came back an 8.5 or GOD forbid, an 8.0....

 

Its truly a cannot win scenario....so I just stopped selling raw books unless I'm pennies into them.

 

Brock:

I'm just gonna throw something in here that I've sat on for a while because I didn't feel like stirring the pot but your comments here have me a bit upset. Back in January we discussed the purchase of an ASM 4. You told me "it's at least 4.0" and that "I stand behind my grade" and had put it in the PGM where it did receive a variety of grades as low as a 3.0 (I think) and as high as a 5.5 (again I think) When negotiating with you I told you that it was my belief that it was a 3.0. You priced it and I figured eh you know what your doing and maybe I'm just grading it harsh because its a scan plus I'm negotiating so I'm probably seeing more flaws to try to get the price down. Fine. Got the book and sent it to CGC and low and behold it came back 3.0 CROW. Mentioned that discrepancy to you and asked you what you wanted to do about it. Was ignored but whatever let it go. Only reason I mention it is because you're making it sound like all you've ever done with raws is undergrade.

 

*eta* here is the PGM http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=7327433

 

Here is the book:

 

 

You are correct. I missed that one. And I have offered, and will offer again, to buy the book back. So it wasn't ignored.

 

That's fine Brock. I appreciate your comment. I've already sold the book, like I said the point was in regard to the fact that your comments had been in a way to make it that you always undergrade.

 

No...I don't feel that I always undergrade and if my comments came across as such, then that's the wrong way to interpret them; I try and grade conservatively but apparently the ASM 4 just fell below my standards. Again, I still disagree but its moot at this point.

 

I rarely utilize the PGM forum b/c I'll just end up disagreeing. I just try and do the best I can w/the limited skills I have. And I still miss them. Missed one from Chicago recently.

[Columbia Comics]

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired. People have had it out for me in that thread since the beginning so I didn't want to rock the boat.

 

Regarding my eBay sales, I grade the best I can when putting up several hundred comics each week. I offer a no-questions-asked 14-day return policy where I even pay the return shipping if anyone isn't satisfied for any reason (including the book's grade). I am a Top-Rated Power Seller on there with nearly $100,000 in sales over the past 12 months (nearly all raw comics). I have 99.7% positive feedback (over 500 this month alone) and high Detailed Seller Ratings across the board (including "Item As Described"). If someone isn't satisfied with a grade on any book they purchase I have them return it and I re-evaluate my grade before I re-list. Nearly all of the time I will inquire exactly what the buyer thought was wrong in my grading so I can improve.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

Good for you on posting.

 

I agree... a well thought out post.

[thehumantorch]

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired. People have had it out for me in that thread since the beginning so I didn't want to rock the boat.

 

Regarding my eBay sales, I grade the best I can when putting up several hundred comics each week. I offer a no-questions-asked 14-day return policy where I even pay the return shipping if anyone isn't satisfied for any reason (including the book's grade). I am a Top-Rated Power Seller on there with nearly $100,000 in sales over the past 12 months (nearly all raw comics). I have 99.7% positive feedback (over 500 this month alone) and high Detailed Seller Ratings across the board (including "Item As Described"). If someone isn't satisfied with a grade on any book they purchase I have them return it and I re-evaluate my grade before I re-list. Nearly all of the time I will inquire exactly what the buyer thought was wrong in my grading so I can improve.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

Thanks for posting Chip. I'm gobsmacked that you've done near $100k in sales on ebay in a year.

[N/A]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

[Jimmy Linguini]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

game on, sister

[N/A]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

game on, sister

 

[Shadow Images]

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired. People have had it out for me in that thread since the beginning so I didn't want to rock the boat.

 

Regarding my eBay sales, I grade the best I can when putting up several hundred comics each week. I offer a no-questions-asked 14-day return policy where I even pay the return shipping if anyone isn't satisfied for any reason (including the book's grade). I am a Top-Rated Power Seller on there with nearly $100,000 in sales over the past 12 months (nearly all raw comics). I have 99.7% positive feedback (over 500 this month alone) and high Detailed Seller Ratings across the board (including "Item As Described"). If someone isn't satisfied with a grade on any book they purchase I have them return it and I re-evaluate my grade before I re-list. Nearly all of the time I will inquire exactly what the buyer thought was wrong in my grading so I can improve.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

 

I have to say that is the most eloquently you have responded to an issue. I applaud you for not coming in here trying to stir the pot. I hope you take this as it is meant, as a compliment.

[thunsicker]

Are we done piling on Chip yet? If not I want to complain about his grading as well. He sold me an Incredible Hulk #271 as a 9.4 and CGC said it was only a 9.8. That boy has serious problems grading and needs to be stopped before I make more money off him.

 

EDIT: And anyone who doesn't realize that the PGM forum routinely under grades on average by .5 to 1 please sell me your comics after they have been graded there.

Edited September 3, 2014 by thunsicker

[Boboset]

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired. People have had it out for me in that thread since the beginning so I didn't want to rock the boat.

 

Regarding my eBay sales, I grade the best I can when putting up several hundred comics each week. I offer a no-questions-asked 14-day return policy where I even pay the return shipping if anyone isn't satisfied for any reason (including the book's grade). I am a Top-Rated Power Seller on there with nearly $100,000 in sales over the past 12 months (nearly all raw comics). I have 99.7% positive feedback (over 500 this month alone) and high Detailed Seller Ratings across the board (including "Item As Described"). If someone isn't satisfied with a grade on any book they purchase I have them return it and I re-evaluate my grade before I re-list. Nearly all of the time I will inquire exactly what the buyer thought was wrong in my grading so I can improve.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

Very nice post Chip. I'm glad you decided to respond. There's always two sides to every story and your side is finally heard.

[N/A]

Yes, finally. Now I can sleep.

[Jimmy Linguini]

My day just started

[Park]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

[BeachBum]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

 

Yes - there is at least one delusional paranoid following me around these boards. It's interesting to watch, and kind of creepy.

 

[Boboset]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

 

Yes - there is at least one delusional paranoid following me around these boards. It's interesting to watch, and kind of creepy.

 

 

I rarely read modern threads, but when I do there is a 50% that you post and things get weird.

[Park]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

 

Yes - there is at least one delusional paranoid following me around these boards. It's interesting to watch, and kind of creepy.

 

 

Which one did you get?

 

I think they have group meetings every other Thursday and share wondrous stories of oppression.

[BeachBum]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

 

Yes - there is at least one delusional paranoid following me around these boards. It's interesting to watch, and kind of creepy.

 

 

Which one did you get?

 

I think they have group meetings every other Thursday and share wondrous stories of oppression.

 

Yeah - it's one of the ones who thinks they are being oppressed.

 

 

[ItsJustRyan]

Yes, finally. Now I can sleep.

 

Branget doesn't sleep... He blinks slowly at night. Never sleeps

[comix4fun]

Some boardies are out to get other boardies? Weird.

 

Some are also delusional paranoids.

 

Yes - there is at least one delusional paranoid following me around these boards. It's interesting to watch, and kind of creepy.

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Balls]

But taking PGM comments and then posting another grade, I don't believe that's necessarily shady or scamy. Just means you don't agree.

 

But what if he DID agree with the PGM opinions??

 

What if he agreed with them in the PGM thread and when asked about a grade of a book here, gave the same opinion - but that same book was listed higher on eBay?

 

He could be getting grades in PGM and then saying something like "Well, they say it's a 8.0, but it looks really nice in-hand - I think it's a 9.0" *changes mind*.

 

Hello everyone,

 

In the Giving Tree thread, I posted the grade the ST #115 had received when it was put in the PGM section previous to me purchasing it (which consensus-wise was a 4.0 average). I didn't agree with that grade when I got the book in-hand (I usually disagree with the PGM grading) but as to not cause trouble here on the CGC forum that's the grade I quoted when people inquired.

 

Peace,

 

Chip

 

(thumbs u