BitterOldMan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Voted Phase Two, but was surprised to see PL23 on the list of best Matt Baker covers. Jack Kamen has always been listed as the artist to the cover of PL23. Kamen was very well known for GGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, BitterOldMan said: Voted Phase Two, but was surprised to see PL23 on the list of best Matt Baker covers. Jack Kamen has always been listed as the artist to the cover of PL23. Kamen was very well known for GGA. I almost omitted it altogether. But since it was on the list, and "fair game"... I just put it last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitterOldMan Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 29dukedog said: I almost omitted it altogether. But since it was on the list, and "fair game"... I just put it last. I also put PL23 last. I was also going to leave it off the list, but realized since the lowest total number would be the highest ranked, giving PL23 zero would put the comic on top. Edited September 24, 2017 by BitterOldMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 This is nice work by tabcom and the contributors, but a poll of the best Bakers that includes 5 issues of dubious, at best, attribution to Baker isn't necessarily meaningful to me. The 5 are the Jo-jo and the Phantom Lady's. Sqeggs, MBFan and sacentaur 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 minute ago, adamstrange said: This is nice work by tabcom and the contributors, but a poll of the best Bakers that includes 5 issues of dubious, at best, attribution to Baker isn't necessarily meaningful to me. The 5 are the Jo-jo and the Phantom Lady's. You do have a point. Anyone else of that opinion is welcome to disregard those 5 books and call it a top 13 list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldCap Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Oh man...I thought the deadline was 6PM EST... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, 29dukedog said: You do have a point. Anyone else of that opinion is welcome to disregard those 5 books and call it a top 13 list. When people vote for what I consider to be non-Baker covers I have no clue as to what there preference is for actual Baker covers. If we continue with those 5 in the mix for subsequent rounds, then I consider the results too likely to be skewed. sacentaur and MBFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Even if you missed the voting, you can still participate in the ranking. tabcom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricksneatstuff Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Jo-Jo 25 is Baker IMO. There are definitely expert opinions on both sides of that opinion. It is said to be Baker in many reference materials and also considered by some to be a great Iger imitation. We don't know for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabcom Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 ~~ Moderator Hat On ~~ The five covers in question stay in the polling. Survey is intended for entertainment of both the neophyte (me included) and the Baker connoisseur. ~~ Moderator Hat Off ~~ SuperGrover and szucchini 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabcom Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 5 hours ago, 29dukedog said: . . . (It might help if tabcom kept up a running list of boardies who have submitted their ranked lists... I'll post a boardie voting update tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 12 hours ago, tabcom said: PM ME YOUR RANKED COVERS Amazing Ghost Stories 14 Authentic Police Cases 6 Cinderella Love 25 Diary Secrets 26 Giant Comics Editions 12 Going Steady 10 Jo Jo 25 Phantom Lady 16 Phantom Lady 17 Phantom Lady 18 Phantom Lady 23 Seven Seas 4 Seven Seas 6 Teen-Age Romances 14 Teen-Age Romances 32 Teen-Age Romances 43 Teen-Age Temptations 2 True Love PictorIal 11 Just a question on this list but doesn't CGC still not credit Jo Jo #25 as a Matt Baker cover? I know GCD and Heritage list it as such but I seem to remember debate at one time that it should be left as possible but unconfirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 50 minutes ago, N e r V said: Just a question on this list but doesn't CGC still not credit Jo Jo #25 as a Matt Baker cover? I know GCD and Heritage list it as such but I seem to remember debate at one time that it should be left as possible but unconfirmed. Jo Jo #25 has been debated at length, as have the Phantom Lady covers. I'm sure they will continue to be debated for a long time to come. Let's set the debates aside long enough to complete this survey. Please just include all 18 covers in your ranking. (If any of them are omitted, I would suggest that the moderator replace them at the end of the list, for the sake of calculating the ranking.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 3 hours ago, 29dukedog said: You do have a point. Anyone else of that opinion is welcome to disregard those 5 books and call it a top 13 list. Exactly what I was planning to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29dukedog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, sacentaur said: 3 hours ago, 29dukedog said: You do have a point. Anyone else of that opinion is welcome to disregard those 5 books and call it a top 13 list. Exactly what I was planning to do. (I meant, on your own time. After the ranking is finished.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, szavisca said: Are there any other GA artists who's particular attributions are so disputed? A lot of artists have attributions that are disputed. Baker started out with the Iger Shop where multiple people worked on the same story, sometimes on the same panel and swiping was commonplace in order to get the product out the door. Figuring out who did what for Iger is often a challenge. Baker's later work with St John is less challenging to identify. 29dukedog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Voted! Top choices were easy. Bottom ones not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 1 hour ago, 29dukedog said: 1 hour ago, sacentaur said: 4 hours ago, 29dukedog said: You do have a point. Anyone else of that opinion is welcome to disregard those 5 books and call it a top 13 list. Exactly what I was planning to do. (I meant, on your own time. After the ranking is finished.) Well, I just don't believe that those disputed covers belong here so they all went straight to the bottom. Voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakerFanOne Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, 29dukedog said: Jo Jo #25 has been debated at length, as have the Phantom Lady covers. I'm sure they will continue to be debated for a long time to come. Let's set the debates aside long enough to complete this survey. Please just include all 18 covers in your ranking. (If any of them are omitted, I would suggest that the moderator replace them at the end of the list, for the sake of calculating the ranking.) 5 hours ago, Ricksneatstuff said: Jo-Jo 25 is Baker IMO. There are definitely expert opinions on both sides of that opinion. It is said to be Baker in many reference materials and also considered by some to be a great Iger imitation. We don't know for sure I firmly believe that the vast majority of Jo Jo 25 is Baker. The woman's body may have had some other artists supporting, but the men on the cover are 100% Baker. Perhaps the original pencils were 100% Baker with some erratic inking raising some questions as to whether others played a hand. Just my 2 cents. Ricksneatstuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, BakerFanOne said: I firmly believe that the vast majority of Jo Jo 25 is Baker. The woman's body may have had some other artists supporting, but the men on the cover are 100% Baker. Perhaps the original pencils were 100% Baker with some erratic inking raising some questions as to whether others played a hand. Just my 2 cents. I agree the face, the hands and men are Baker's work and you should check PL17's hands and post what you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
