Disney+'s WHAT IF ...? ANIMATED SERIES (2021) 5 5

[TupennyConan]

Beautifully animated episode but depressing, like What If? 32.

I think the biggest problem with this series is its unwillingness or inability to bring in all the characters as yet unseen in the MCU, Howard the Duck being the notable exception. 

[Maskedvigilante]

On 9/30/2021 at 11:50 AM, Bosco685 said:

 

That's the magic of the MCU: it can disregard its own story science and its fans still proclaim how accurate it is to that said science.

It's called QUANTUM

[I like pie]

On 9/30/2021 at 1:50 AM, Bosco685 said:

 

That's the magic of the MCU: it can disregard its own story science and its fans still proclaim how accurate it is to that said science.

I find it funny everyone is talking about plot holes. It's What If 

[Bosco685]

On 9/30/2021 at 8:45 AM, I like pie said:

I find it funny everyone is talking about plot holes. It's What If 

I find it funny I like pie 

[Maskedvigilante]

[@therealsilvermane]

On 9/29/2021 at 6:52 PM, JasonTodd69 said:

In the MCU, nothing has been said that Stones only work in one’s own universe. They totally work across the Multiverse, just ask Stephen Strange. It’s only said the Stones don’t work in the TVA, which exists outside the Multiverse.

[Bosco685]

On 9/30/2021 at 12:42 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

In the MCU, nothing has been said that Stones only work in one’s own universe. They totally work across the Multiverse, just ask Stephen Strange. It’s only said the Stones don’t work in the TVA, which exists outside the Multiverse.

Actually, there's a cautionary tale with assuming things from that episode. Casey actually didn't state Infinity Stones have no powers at the TVA. He said they get them all the time, which probably implies from variants associated with Nexus Events.

This scenes got some hardcore fans excited because they jumped to the conclusion it now implied Natasha and Tony Stark's sacrifices were relegated due to the stones having no powers now. Then a number of articles came out explaining that was never stated in Loki. Just that the Infinity Stones show up often - and in multiples. But the Marvel Studios creators never clarified or addressed this. But the Russo Brothers did with a joke to lighten the response to that episode.

Russo Brothers Have Hilarious Response to Loki Infinity Stones Reference

[@therealsilvermane]

On 9/30/2021 at 1:54 PM, Bosco685 said:

Actually, there's a cautionary tale with assuming things from that episode. Casey actually didn't state Infinity Stones have no powers at the TVA. He said they get them all the time, which probably implies from variants associated with Nexus Events.

This scenes got some hardcore fans excited because they jumped to the conclusion it now implied Natasha and Tony Stark's sacrifices were relegated due to the stones having no powers now. Then a number of articles came out explaining that was never stated in Loki. Just that the Infinity Stones show up often - and in multiples. But the Marvel Studios creators never clarified or addressed this. But the Russo Brothers did with a joke to lighten the response to that episode.

Casey says they get them all the time, then follows it by saying "some of the guys use them as paperweights", implying they have no power in this place. They are no better than paperweights. Loki ponders, "Is this[the TVA] the greatest power in the universe?" Later, Loki tells Mobius "Even an Infinity Stone is useless here.The TVA is formidable."

It is shown and said indirectly that the Infinity Stones have no power in this place where Kang established the TVA. The future implication of that is Infinity Stones can't be used to defeat Kang in his domain. It also implies, from a storytelling sense, that the MCU is moving on from the Infinity Stones story.

[Bosco685]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:08 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

Casey says they get them all the time, then follows it by saying "some of the guys use them as paperweights", implying they have no power in this place. They are no better than paperweights. Loki ponders, "Is this[the TVA] the greatest power in the universe?" Later, Loki tells Mobius "Even an Infinity Stone is useless here.The TVA is formidable."

It is shown and said indirectly that the Infinity Stones have no power in this place where Kang established the TVA. The future implication of that is Infinity Stones can't be used to defeat Kang in his domain. It also implies, from a storytelling sense, that the MCU is moving on from the Infinity Stones story.

You are adding a lot of the narrative to imply something. Just because they noted they are treated as paperweights doesn't mean 'only at the TVA they have no power'. They just treat them as common.

Loki did imply they are assumed to be powerless. But nobody at the TVA actually clearly stated this. But you can convince yourself otherwise.

[Bosco685]

And listen to what Casey says with that statement.

"Some of the guys use 'em as paperweights. SOME OF THEM!"

It implies there is a select group using them as paperweights. Not everyone. So you may assume that select group are the more powerful and trusted characters.

[@therealsilvermane]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:12 PM, Bosco685 said:

You are adding a lot of the narrative to imply something. Just because they noted they are treated as paperweights doesn't mean 'only at the TVA they have no power'. They just treat them as common.

Loki did imply they are assumed to be powerless. But nobody at the TVA actually clearly stated this. But you can convince yourself otherwise.

I'm not adding a lot to the narrative.  And I'm not trying to convince myself of some phantom assumption. I'm taking what the narrative from Loki Episode 1 gave me. The characters said the above things. Loki, in the MCU, is established as an intelligent enough character to know the difference. The Tesseract is useless in the TVA. Otherwise, he would have used it.

Edited September 30, 2021 by @therealsilvermane

[@therealsilvermane]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:18 PM, Bosco685 said:

"Some of the guys use 'em as paperweights. SOME OF THEM!"

It implies there is a select group using them as paperweights. Not everyone. So you may assume that select group are the more powerful and trusted characters.

Now that's adding a lot to the narrative.

I actually learned from WandaVision not to assume too much with these shows and just take them at face value. If Loki says the Infinity Stone is useless in the TVA, then it's useless. Kang will have no use for them, and the story will be all the better for it.

[Bosco685]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:26 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

Now that's adding a lot to the narrative.

I actually learned from WandaVision not to assume too much with these shows and just take them at face value. If Loki says the Infinity Stone is useless in the TVA, then it's useless. Kang will have no use for them, and the story will be all the better for it.

It actually isn't. I even posted the video where Casey makes the statement. Maybe take a moment to watch the actual scene.

The TVA had Loki so twisted in his viewpoints until it all came together with Sylvie and later with He Who Remains. I would not assume anything with the Infinity Stones being powerless going forward. Though some tried to imply that as if Feige was now cutting off the Infinity Saga from everything else.

See. Others watch these shows and also know the backstories too. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by Bosco685

[Bosco685]

Even when Loki finds out all the TVA soldiers are actually variants that had mind wipes applied. 

It took Sylvie to reveal this to Loki. Not Loki finding out on his own. And there are probably other TVA secrets he never figured out.

But he's smart. 

[@therealsilvermane]

On 9/30/2021 at 4:49 PM, Bosco685 said:

Even when Loki finds out all the TVA soldiers are actually variants that had mind wipes applied. 

It took Sylvie to reveal this to Loki. Not Loki finding out on his own. And there are probably other TVA secrets he never figured out.

But he's smart. 

Of course, Sylvie is a Loki. And Sylvie doesn’t figure out the Time soldiers are variants through intellectual deduction, she figured it out because she saw their mind and past life as she possessed them. 

Loki is no All-Father, but he’s smart enough to know when an Infinity Stone has no power and to find another way.

[Bosco685]

On 9/30/2021 at 6:45 PM, @therealsilvermane said:

Of course, Sylvie is a Loki. And Sylvie doesn’t figure out the Time soldiers are variants through intellectual deduction, she figured it out because she saw their mind and past life as she possessed them. 

Loki is no All-Father, but he’s smart enough to know when an Infinity Stone has no power and to find another way.

Uh-huh. Meanwhile through two actual show videos and fewer words facts are achieved.

No assumptions necessary. 

[Bosco685]

[piper]

Is this the last episode for Season 1?

[Bosco685]

On 10/4/2021 at 3:48 PM, piper said:

Is this the last episode for Season 1?

It is

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The first season of What If...? premiered on August 11, 2021, and will consist of nine episodes...

 

[Bosco685]

Now that was the way to wrap up a season with these MCU shows.

"What If The Watcher Broke His Oath"

• Michael B. Jordan - Killmonger
• Hayley Atwell - Peggy Carter
• Lake Bell - Natasha Romanoff
• Chadwick Boseman - Star-Lord
• Chris Hemsworth - Thor
• Benedict Cumberbatch - Doctor Strange
• Ross Marquand - Ultron
• Toby Jones - Arnim Zola
• Tom Hiddleston - Loki
• Kurt Russell - Ego
• Jeffrey Wright - The Watcher
• Frank Grillo - Brock Rumlow
• Samuel Jackson - Nick Fury
• Georges St-Pierre - Batroc
• Mick Wingart - Tony Stark
• Cynthia McWilliams - Gamora
• Ozioma Akagha - Shuri

Edited October 6, 2021 by Bosco685