kav Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 They do have a side argument of but if it is the same book the guy trimmed his 10K book and sent it to CGC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awakeintheashes Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, kav said: 17 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said: How are they dismissing the distributor sop? Their entire argument consists of "It's not the same book". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, skypinkblu said: I'm not sure if the issue was trimming, but I seem to remember that @namisgr had purchased a book off the rack and it came back with some resto. It was a while ago. I seem to remember a few years ago someone had an issue with an ASM,I think issue 121?It went back and forth and if I remember right,somehow a paperclip was involved in the whole mess.My uncle was all riled up about it,but I can't ask him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, skypinkblu said: I'm not sure if the issue was trimming, but I seem to remember that @namisgr had purchased a book off the rack and it came back with some resto. It was a while ago. I can confirm. The ASM #121 I bought off the rack was graded by CGC as having been trimmed on the right edge. There's a long thread about it somewhere on the Board archives from over a decade ago. They make mistakes, and in both directions: they sometimes miss trimming, and they sometimes assign trimming when none has occurred. Edited July 31, 2019 by namisgr porcupine48 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, kav said: The "it's not the same book" guys are desperately trying to do PR so their slabbed books dont slip in value. I was baffled by the obtuseness of some over there then I remembered-Follow the money. It would be awfully hard to replicate that bottom staple. kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skypinkblu Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, namisgr said: I can confirm. The ASM #121 I bought off the rack was graded by CGC as having been trimmed on the right edge. Thanks, Bob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, skypinkblu said: It would be awfully hard to replicate that bottom staple. I feel like I'm on a facebook group, posting over there. Goofy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, namisgr said: I can confirm. The ASM #121 I bought off the rack was graded by CGC as having been trimmed on the right edge. There's a long thread about it somewhere on the Board archives from over a decade ago. They make mistakes, and in both directions: they sometimes miss trimming, and they sometimes assign trimming when none has occurred. I wasn't sure if it was yours.Am I remembering the paperclip part right or am I mixing two stories together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, porcupine48 said: I wasn't sure if it was yours.Am I remembering the paperclip part right or am I mixing two stories together? Good memory, Jimmers. My book was originally damaged by a paperclip used by CGC to hold the paperwork together and placed on top of my stack of books during a convention submission. The ASM #121 was on top of my submission stack, and the staple made an imprint into the cover that wasn't there before submission. Then CGC gave the book a 'trimmed on right edge' designation. It was a sweet copy, too. Here's a scan sporting the purple label. Edited July 31, 2019 by namisgr porcupine48 and Larryw7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 My god, they continue to post like there is doubt about it being the same book regardless of the unique top ink mark: "It does not convince me because there are other discrepancies just as compelling." The 'other discrepancies' they speak of are literally the result of camera variables and file artifacts. The two images were both shot differently (at a slight camera shift, lighting), have different plastic cases with wear, and both saved in different ways (color profiles, varying compression, possibly different web format type. Even HOW the original images were resized down matters!) - which would account for so many of those issues people are seeing on these lower resolution pictures. Sigh. Did anyone end up getting the CGC grader notes for the issue? RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlowUpTheMoon Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Here's the Spider-Dan thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, namisgr said: Good memory, Jimmers. My book was originally damaged by a paperclip used by CGC to hold the paperwork together and placed on top of my stack of books during a convention submission. The ASM #121 was on top of my submission stack, and the staple made an imprint into the cover that wasn't there before submission. Then CGC gave the book a 'trimmed on right edge' designation. It was a sweet copy, too. Here's a scan sporting the purple label. I can't imagine the frustration. Thank you for confirming I remembered right-these days I don't trust the ol' synapse roads as I used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sauce Dog said: My god, they continue to post like there is doubt about it being the same book regardless of the unique top ink mark: "It does not convince me because there are other discrepancies just as compelling." The 'other discrepancies' they speak of are literally the result of camera variables and file artifacts. The two images were both shot differently (at a slight camera shift, lighting), have different plastic cases with wear, and both saved in different ways (color profiles, varying compression, possibly different web format type. Even HOW the original images were resized down matters!) - which would account for so many of those issues people are seeing on these lower resolution pictures. Sigh. Did anyone end up getting the CGC grader notes for the issue? someone did it's in the thread,, if I find it first I'll tag you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 hours ago, eee91 said: The grading notes on the other company's book- Notes:small distro ink sop through top edgespine stress barely breaks colorarrival date top back cover in grease pencil @Sauce Dog @kav will this help? I didn't see the "CGC" notes just voldy kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sauce Dog said: My god, they continue to post like there is doubt about it being the same book regardless of the unique top ink mark: "It does not convince me because there are other discrepancies just as compelling." The 'other discrepancies' they speak of are literally the result of camera variables and file artifacts. The two images were both shot differently (at a slight camera shift, lighting), have different plastic cases with wear, and both saved in different ways (color profiles, varying compression, possibly different web format type. Even HOW the original images were resized down matters!) - which would account for so many of those issues people are seeing on these lower resolution pictures. Sigh. Did anyone end up getting the CGC grader notes for the issue? If the comics were align evenly in a stack, tilted backwards, with even pressure applied to a marker, it is possible. Your reasoning is compelling, but some other blemishes disappeared and I would not rely upon a photograph to make that final decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said: @Sauce Dog @kav will this help? I didn't see the "CGC" notes just voldy Ah! I did see that but for some reason thought it was the free CBCS notes. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 So I just registered an account with Voldy, and it says that the account is under review. Is that normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, THE_BEYONDER said: So I just registered an account with Voldy, and it says that the account is under review. Is that normal? yes THE_BEYONDER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said: So I just registered an account with Voldy, and it says that the account is under review. Is that normal? Nevermind Edited July 31, 2019 by porcupine48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, kav said: 2 minutes ago, THE_BEYONDER said: So I just registered an account with Voldy, and it says that the account is under review. Is that normal? yes What are they reviewing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
