Disney+'s STAR WARS: OBI-WAN KENOBI show (TBD) 9 9

[Xenosmilus]

On 6/22/2022 at 9:15 PM, I like pie said:

I didn't get that impression at all or that she would even stay on Tatooine. I assume, if the character is popular with audiences, they will use her in the future as a light side ally.

I thought she already got her own show?  #star_wars_is_dead_to_me

[fastballspecial]

Such harsh critics. 

I loved it aside from the minor details which for the most part I care less about and most
fans do too. 

This series had what everyone wanted. A glimpse into the time between. I got teary eyed
at the end with Leia and Obi-wan. Lucas was genius 45 years ahead of his time.

 

[Cozmo-One]

A great finale, and I loved this series.  I thought it did a good job of filling in some of the perceived disconnects between the prequels and Episode IV, and I am really hoping for a season two.

Really enjoyed Ewan McGregor's acting (and others) this episode, and his dialogue with Darth and Leia was heartbreaking and touching.  More, please

[kimik]

This episode was better, but I wonder what form of Red Bull they have that turns a washed up Oldie-Wan that can barely stand on his own two feet against Vader and is cut off from the force turn into a more powerful that Yoda Jedi Master in a matter of days.

Overall, it was typical DIS SW fare - nothing great, just more formulaic programming. That being said, I am fine with it if they keep expanding the SW universe. Sooner or later they will do something worthwhile again.

Edited June 23, 2022 by kimik

[D84]

On 6/22/2022 at 6:06 PM, Lpgk said:

Agreed. apparently you can stab someone cleanly with a lightsaber and one episode later they are walking around like they only had heartburn, ie. Grand Inquisitor and Reva. 

So did Qui Gon not die? He got run through like that.

[drotto]

On 6/22/2022 at 10:10 PM, fastballspecial said:

Such harsh critics. 

I loved it aside from the minor details which for the most part I care less about and most
fans do too. 

This series had what everyone wanted. A glimpse into the time between. I got teary eyed
at the end with Leia and Obi-wan. Lucas was genius 45 years ahead of his time.

 

Harsh, good I am glad it comes across this way.  This show utterly changes the OT, by establishing a series of events that flat out do not fit with the OT at all, and do not make sense. 

 

1. Luke would remember that fight. Yet he has no clue about Jedi and complains constantly about his dull existence.

2. Leia would not remember Obi-Wan after the events of this show?

3. Bale Organa is not this dumb.  Calling Obi-Wan is a massive risk to Luke and Leia. No way he would risk it.

4. Reva figures out who Luke is?  Like 4 people know this. That is essential to the story in ANH.  If she can figure it out, why does Vader never figure it out?

5. If Vader had even a hint that Obi-Wan was still alive he would not have stopped looking period. Yet  ANH clearly states he has been a hermit for years.  It also is very clear they have not fought since ROTS.  Sorry, it does.

6. Tatooine is a back water world on the edge of the know Galaxy in ANH. Sure seem to me to be the center of the universe.  No way Luke could hide there.

7. Leia is not the same character here (not just being a younger version).  She has abilities and knowledge that were never apparent before, and at 10!!!

8. It castrates Vader.  How can the greatest Villain in modern pop culture lose twice like this and with such a whimper at points (yes the I am too scared of fire and forgot how to use the force nonsense). It also makes him stupid, when people can figure out that easily who he is and who his kids are, yet he never does? 

 

I choose to stop here before this becomes a long rant.

 

Not saying there are not some quality moments, and good performances.  It just does not work with the OT, and since that is the origin of Star Wars, it is paramount to maintain that central tenants of those films.  This changes them period.

Edited June 23, 2022 by drotto

[Cozmo-One]

I've only watched the last few episodes once so far, so my details may be slightly off.  However I do think that it doesn't stray so far from the OT (from a certain point of view).  Some of these thoughts may be tenuous, but that's what I'm choosing to believe :)

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

1. Luke would remember that fight. Yet he has no clue about Jedi and complains constantly about his dull existence.

He never saw Reva ignite the lightsaber.  He just knew he was running away from some threat (possibly Tuskan Raiders), slipped and got knocked out, and woke back up at home

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

2. Leia would not remember Obi-Wan after the events of this show?

But she did remember him, one of her first lines to Luke in ANH is "Ben Kenobi, where is he?!"  I think Obi-Wan's line at the end of this show about keeping their connection secret to protect themselves leads to the wording of her "you're my only hope" message she stored in R2.

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

3. Bale Organa is not this dumb.  Calling Obi-Wan is a massive risk to Luke and Leia. No way he would risk it.

Agree with this, my thought was he was just so desperate by that point he wanted to do something.  I guess it it was done so that the next point below can take place - leading to Reva's 'redemption'.

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

4. Reva figures out who Luke is?  Like 4 people know this. That is essential to the story in ANH.  If she can figure it out, why does Vader never figure it out?

I think it was mentioned in an early episode that she saw the holocron's in the Jedi Temple...which could include the one Obi-Wan saw (in Ep III)  with the emperor calling Anakin Lord Vader.  Reva figured out the connection with Bail and Obi-Wan which is why she went after Leia.  Reva then figured out about Luke due to Bail's dumb message and her knowledge that Anakin is Vader.

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

5. If Vader had even a hint that Obi-Wan was still alive he would not have stopped looking period. Yet  ANH clearly states he has been a hermit for years.

I believe that's why they show Palpatine basically 'leashing' him at the end of this episode

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

7. Leia is not the same character here (not just being a younger version).  She has abilities and knowledge that were never apparent before, and at 10!!!

Curious which abilities?  I know some folks didn't like that she fixed the ship in Ep 5, but she wasn't able to do that until her pet droid pointed out what actually was broken.  Prior to that, she was floundering.

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, drotto said:

8. It castrates Vader.  How can the greatest Villain in modern pop culture lose twice like this and with such a whimper at points (yes the I am too scared of fire and forgot how to use the force nonsense). It also makes him stupid, when people can figure out that easily who he is and who his kids are, yet he never does? 

I think only one person has figured that out, and she was there when he killed her youngling friends, saw the holocrons at the Jedi temple, saw Bail's ill-timed message.  Vader only lost to his old master, whom he had never defeated.  He easily handled Reva, toying with her without even using his lightsaber

[Rip]

Overall the series was decent. Great at times and very flawed at others.

One thing I am still having a hard time with is, how shockingly cheap it looked. Mandalorian looks like it has twice the budget. And season 3 looks even bigger in scope.

I wouldn't use the same production team. I usually like Deborah Chow. She had a great history with Star Wars and TV shows like Better Call Saul, but she also really dropped the ball.

The final saber battle was filled with terrible shaky cam, quick jump cuts, and hard to follow top views. The rock tossing was a bit much as well. Although I loved the part...

Spoiler

 

where Vaders mask was broken. Everything about that was on point! Amazing. Qui Gon was nice also. It ended great.

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by Rip

[Larryw7]

I really liked the series, especially chapter 5 and 6. They need to give Vader and the Emperor their own show.

[fett]

On 6/22/2022 at 8:00 PM, zuckuss2003 said:

Taken as a whole,  I liked this series.  The final episode was really good and did a nice job of helping me get over the fact that Ben and Vader met between revenge and ANH. The ghost at the end referencing a long way to go implies we could be in for another season and it could be way better if they stray off the Skywalker family ties now that this season is out of the way. 

I wouldn't mind seeing them explore more of the Force Ghost storyline. Great story started at the end of Season 6 of the Clone Wars in Eps 11-13. 

[godzilla43]

Last episode was bad but watchable.  Obi-wan vs Vader was a great battle scene but now suddenly Obi-wan had his powers back?!? and he is really powerful. When he was under all that rubble I was like okay now Qui-gon Jinn will appear but no. Obi-wan just had some realization and became way stronger. If there would have been a scene where Obi-wan is fishing and Qui-gon appears suddenly in his boat saying damn I have missed fishing that would have been better scene which they came up with. Third sister story conclusion was a let down like everything with this show.

Ewan McGregor is great Obi-wan and if they make a second season I hope that no one of this cast will return except McGregor.

[Mickey7]

I enjoyed most of the series, and Ewan's performance was excellent.  Great to see the dialog between Ben and Vader.  One thing I wasn't sure of:  Did Reva figure out that Owen was hiding Vader's kid, or just that he was hiding someone important to Obi-Wan?  I couldn't quite tell from the dialog.

[ganni]

Deleted post credit scene ....

season 2...

 

 

[godzilla43]

On 6/23/2022 at 3:18 PM, Mickey7 said:

I enjoyed most of the series, and Ewan's performance was excellent.  Great to see the dialog between Ben and Vader.  One thing I wasn't sure of:  Did Reva figure out that Owen was hiding Vader's kid, or just that he was hiding someone important to Obi-Wan?  I couldn't quite tell from the dialog.

Of course she was planning to take a revenge against Anakin.

[drotto]

I just see this show as the worst kind of nostalgia baiting.  They give the fans reasons to watch the show by including Obi-Wan, Vader, Leia, etc.  I mean what Star Wars fan does not want more of these characters.  But then they give you poor writing, and a story that either outright contradicts, rewrights, or subverts the original story, that as is seen here leads to about half the people loving the show and the other half kinda ticked off. There are ways to have done this series that would have respected the OT, personally I think this just changes it completely. 

 

Examples of poor writing.  

1. The I am not really dead when I should be was used twice.  Plus this is already overdone (Darth Maul).

2. The Vader broken face mask, while visually effective again has been used twice before in Rebela and in a video game.

3. Reva's background makes zero sense to me. Anakin killed everyone in the temple, and Palpatine had it locked down after that. Maybe she would have been spared, but no way a child would see the holocrons, and unlikely that information would have been there.

4. The first Vader vs Obi fight with the fire. Sorry, just not buying it.

5. Precocious Leia, sorry knows too much and acts in ways a 10 year old never would.

6 Obi struggling with power, but now they are back because we need a good fight.  Out of practice Obi would lose to Vader at the top of his game.  He barely beat him in the first place.

7. Again Reva's pivot from dark to light side was a retread of other stories (see video games), and again goes against the notion that the dark side is very alluring and easy.  It is too abrupt.  I am also tired at being told to forgive people that have indiscriminately killed. 

8. Forcing Leia into the story. Again makes no sense.

9. Vader knows too much based on these events.  Saying Palpatine leashed him is weak.  Vader has been shows numerous times in the comics going against the Emporer when he desired,  and was good at keeping it secret.

10. Light sabers apparently suck.

 

 

[theCapraAegagrus]

On 6/23/2022 at 9:08 AM, drotto said:

7. Again Reva's pivot from dark to light side was a retread of other stories (see video games), and again goes against the notion that the dark side is very alluring and easy.  It is too abrupt.  I am also tired at being told to forgive people that have indiscriminately killed. 

I'm sick of fiction acting like everyone is redeemable, or has a 'point'. No, bad people and bad ideas exist.

[MetalPSI]

On 6/23/2022 at 7:12 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I'm sick of fiction acting like everyone is redeemable, or has a 'point'. No, bad people and bad ideas exist.

Give me the real Sephiroth

An insane, powerful, selfish tyrant who would destroy the world to rule

Oh wait, that would create uncontrollable fear, unlike the news today

[drotto]

Again Star Wars, even Disney Star Wars, has proven that you can add to the cannon well and respectfully.  Clone Wars is a master class about expanding the universe and growing characters in a way that completely fits. It truly does make the PT much better, and fills in many of the gaps.  Rebels does a pretty good job also.  Even Rogue One does an exceptional job of filling in that part of the history in a way the adds to the story. It can be done right with competent writers and a with people the clearly grasp and respect what the OT gave us.

[drotto]

On 6/23/2022 at 9:12 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:

I'm sick of fiction acting like everyone is redeemable, or has a 'point'. No, bad people and bad ideas exist.

Thank you!!  It is the same reason I hate how Scarlet Witch was handled in the Dr Strange.  You can push a charter too far and have them do too many evil things, that it makes it virtually impossible to pull them back.  Giving them a logical reason to hate, and be angry, Ok I get that.  It makes them a character, not a cutout. Disney especially seems to think everyone is redeemable, or we can fix that later.

[awakeintheashes]

On 6/23/2022 at 2:02 AM, Cozmo-One said:

I've only watched the last few episodes once so far, so my details may be slightly off.  However I do think that it doesn't stray so far from the OT (from a certain point of view).  Some of these thoughts may be tenuous, but that's what I'm choosing to believe

He never saw Reva ignite the lightsaber.  He just knew he was running away from some threat (possibly Tuskan Raiders), slipped and got knocked out, and woke back up at home

But she did remember him, one of her first lines to Luke in ANH is "Ben Kenobi, where is he?!"  I think Obi-Wan's line at the end of this show about keeping their connection secret to protect themselves leads to the wording of her "you're my only hope" message she stored in R2.

Agree with this, my thought was he was just so desperate by that point he wanted to do something.  I guess it it was done so that the next point below can take place - leading to Reva's 'redemption'.

I think it was mentioned in an early episode that she saw the holocron's in the Jedi Temple...which could include the one Obi-Wan saw (in Ep III)  with the emperor calling Anakin Lord Vader.  Reva figured out the connection with Bail and Obi-Wan which is why she went after Leia.  Reva then figured out about Luke due to Bail's dumb message and her knowledge that Anakin is Vader.

I believe that's why they show Palpatine basically 'leashing' him at the end of this episode

Curious which abilities?  I know some folks didn't like that she fixed the ship in Ep 5, but she wasn't able to do that until her pet droid pointed out what actually was broken.  Prior to that, she was floundering.

I think only one person has figured that out, and she was there when he killed her youngling friends, saw the holocrons at the Jedi temple, saw Bail's ill-timed message.  Vader only lost to his old master, whom he had never defeated.  He easily handled Reva, toying with her without even using his lightsaber

I'm glad I read this before typing out basically everything you said  

One thing the on-screen stuff has't conveyed well is the way in which Palpatine leashed and demoralized Vader. The comics have done it very well, but I wish they would show the extent to which he has before they allude to it on screen like the finale did. It doesn't really click with viewers , and I don't fault them. 

Edited June 23, 2022 by awakeintheashes