lou_fine Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 hours ago, MrBedrock said: 7 hours ago, lou_fine said: On the other hand, is it possible that if this collection was being auctioned off by either CC or CL, imagine how many fewer CGC 9.8's we would be seeing? If I had gotten this collection imagine how much nothing you would be seeing. Same here and I guess this is why the ownership at CCG is certainly happy that collectors hoarders like you and me didn't find this collection. 7 hours ago, jimbo_7071 said: Yes. It's been obvious to me for a long time that "gift graded" and "submitted by Heritage" are synonyms. Especially in a vertically integrated business environment like theirs where all of their direct and indirect linked corporate interests can enjoy the fun and benefits of mutual and passionate back scratching that must be taking place between all of the parties involved. jimbo_7071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 15 hours ago, sfcityduck said: Well, for comparison purposes for @buttock sake, does the above 'Tec 152 appear to be a softly graded CGC 8.5 book with the staple, spine and off-centering issues on this book here, especially when compared to this equivalent graded book below with the same PQ from a full 10 years earlier way back in 1939: And since we are always worried about the back cover defects, here's what we can see in terms of the back cover: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, szav said: Not that it matters in how one should approach these books, but I’m curious if the perception is that CGC is in a period of soft grading for everything, vs they’re just being easy on the Promise books right now. Well, from some of the scans which other boardies have been posting along with some of the commentary here, it would appear that the answer to your question as posted above should be pretty obvious. Then again, since a picture is worth a thousand words, I am quite sure that CGC is conducting their usual due diligence on all of the books and applying their grading whip accordingly; as follows: The grading whip for the Promise Collection books: And the one for the random odd HG books from no name small time collectors like you and me: Edited May 9, 2021 by lou_fine Larryw7 and PedigreeMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Mentallo Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, jimbo_7071 said: They used to have three graders grade every book, but I thought I read somewhere that they were down to two graders per book. Do you know whether that's true? Okay, so who's knocking off the graders? Edited May 9, 2021 by Flex Mentallo BlowUpTheMoon, Point Five, jimbo_7071 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Cat Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 9.0? Wow! just simply WOW!!!! https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sun-girl-2-the-promise-collection-pedigree-marvel-1948-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175265.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515# Sarg, fast eddie, path4play and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Cat Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 10 hours ago, MrBedrock said: If CBCS had graded this collection imagine how many 10.0s we would be seeing! kinda looks like CBCS grading actually comicnoir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 @szav I think he's suggesting that's you on the right... And I think that's just wrong for him to suggest that. @lou_fine While I find your use of imagery to be both tasteful and clever, no one should be imagining @szav with a ball in his mouth. lou_fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimbo_7071 Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Courageous Cat said: 9.0? Wow! just simply WOW!!!! https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sun-girl-2-the-promise-collection-pedigree-marvel-1948-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175265.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515# It's a shame. I would have loved to bid on some of these books if they had been graded accurately. As it is, I have no chance of walking away with any of them because my valuation will be way below that of people who are bidding based on the label. Edited May 9, 2021 by jimbo_7071 lou_fine, fast eddie, Joshua33 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courageous Cat Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, jimbo_7071 said: It's a shame. I would have loved to bid on some of these books if they had been graded accurately. As it is, I have no chance of walking away with any of them because my valuation will be way below that of people who are bidding based on the label. yep! you crack any of these out and try to resubmit some day? Good luck with that jimbo_7071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Courageous Cat said: 9.0? Wow! just simply WOW!!!! https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/sun-girl-2-the-promise-collection-pedigree-marvel-1948-cgc-vf-nm-90-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7244-175265.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515# Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lady Luck Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Do you think the corner pieces came off during the pressing process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Just now, Mr. Lady Luck said: Do you think the corner pieces came off during the pressing process? Very, very likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lady Luck Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I would think the story behind this pedigree would help generate a lot more interest in the books. I'm surprised it's still a secret. ...unless the secret is part of the promise. Courageous Cat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Mmehdy said: Exactly...you can never please all the people all the time...this collection is an opportunity to get these books from a time capsule and I think some of the complaints on grading is going be forgotten at auction time. I stand by my advice, chose the book carefully and pick your battles. I think it's hilarious, and just wrong, to say what CBCS "would have" done, when CGC was given this task. Many comments in regards to poor grading, and spot on or not, CGC has to answer for these grades. Larryw7, CrocHntr, Courageous Cat and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Timely said: No 10 Golden Age or Silver Age books yet! There is a 10.0 SA book coming up on HA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 It almost seems that these books were graded at the “potential” they were expected to get after the pressing or any other manipulation was done. Whether or not it improved or detracted! lou_fine and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 hours ago, lou_fine said: Well, for comparison purposes for @buttock sake, does the above 'Tec 152 appear to be a softly graded CGC 8.5 book with the staple, spine and off-centering issues on this book here, especially when compared to this equivalent graded book below with the same PQ from a full 10 years earlier way back in 1939: And since we are always worried about the back cover defects, here's what we can see in terms of the back cover: I don't know. You can't grade from a scan. lou_fine and greggy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Jayman said: It almost seems that these books were graded at the “potential” they were expected to get after the pressing or any other manipulation was done. Whether or not it improved or detracted! I'm wondering whether what CGC did with these books rises to the level of criminal activity. It seems like there must have been some kind of sweetheart deal between CGC and Heritage. There's no other way to account for the grades. Books with corners ripped off getting 9.0 grades? Really? Overgraded books are common enough, but I have never seen this many books this overgraded. It might be a difficult case to prove in court, but I don't think it would be impossible. It would require a lot of effort to educate a jury, that's all. The company that owns a stake in CGC consistently seems to get the loosest grades. Smells like collusion to me; it could even be a RICO case. Edited May 9, 2021 by jimbo_7071 lou_fine and Brer247i 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabcom Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 17 hours ago, lou_fine said: I would tend to agree with @GreatCaesarsGhost ... in that I strongly believe this auction of the Promise Collection ... will only be a huge positive on prices of GA books (in general) going forward: As a GA collector whom has watched the boom of SA/BA visa-vie MCU movies, I’m a sceptic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lady Luck Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, jimbo_7071 said: I'm wondering whether what CGC did with these books rises to the level of criminal activity. It seems like there must have been some kind of sweetheart deal between CGC and Heritage. There's no other way to account for the grades. Books with corners ripped off getting 9.0 grades? Really? Overgraded books are common enough, but I have never seen this many books this overgraded. It might be a difficult case to prove in court, but I don't think it would be impossible. It would require a lot of effort to educate a jury, that's all. The company that owns a stake in CGC consistently seems to get the loosest grades. Smells like collusion to me; it could even be a RICO case. Brave words coming from a purple dinosaur... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
