A Discussion About How CGC Label Non-US Publications Which Reprint / Reproduce Original US Comic Content 10 10

[wardevil0]

I'm just glad I got some of mine done before the current policy.  Of course, that's not what it would look like now.  At least they corrected the publisher.

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by wardevil0
minor typo

[Bronty]

On 4/22/2022 at 8:54 AM, steve566 said:

That one will be labeled as “out of this world 17”…they are doing a cover only approach.. if the cover is not af15 then it won’t get that label.. i believe that issue may get a notation that it contains the af15 story inside.. 

[Bronty]

On 4/22/2022 at 8:58 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

So a cover only swipe could get the respective US title, but a full story reprint with original cover doesn't. That makes sense!

How's it going down in your world Steve, the announcement?

This approach is so poorly thought out it boggles the mind.   

[Get Marwood & I]

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[wardevil0]

On 4/22/2022 at 12:16 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

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[Redshade]

On 4/22/2022 at 2:15 PM, wardevil0 said:

Also, this one apparently would not be marked as ASM 101/102, because its cover is redrawn from an interior panel instead of the cover.  Labeling comics by anything other than the actual given title is just a mess.

 

Yup! That's what we are all saying (although not as eruditely as Get Marwood and I).

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/22/2022 at 5:20 PM, Redshade said:

Yup! That's what we are all saying (although not as eruditely as Get Marwood and I).

My last parody of the situation got pulled, which doesn't say much for their sense of humour I suppose.

Better knock it on the head now - I don't want to get banned before I come last in the next grading competition  

 

[Qalyar]

My biggest problem with this system remains the fact that it can break up series. Some foreign runs mix localized US covers with original art covers, varying by issue. Or, alternatively, adapt US covers throughout -- but not always covers from the same US title (the Mexican western compilation books did this, iirc). Or when they use US covers out of order.

It's clear that CGC sometimes realizes that would result in total nonsense. For example, the Kitchen Sink Press / Fantagraphics series Black Hole, reprinted in German by Reprodukt as... well, Black Hole. Each German issue is a double-sized squarebound book that includes two of the US issues. CGC actually labelled and slabbed all of these in the way that makes sense, titled Black Hole #1, "German Edition", and a note saying "Contains Black Hole #1-2" (for example). As an aside: super stoked that the full run ended up in 9.8; the last two had to have an ugly bend -- that was 100% Reprodukt's fault, because they were sleeved in the slipcase incorrectly -- pressed out.

So what's the problem? Well, arguably, that's not how this CGC policy says these should be labeled. See, the six German issues use slightly modified versions of the covers of US issues #7, 4, 5, 8, 9, and 11 respectively. No, I have no idea why the German Black Hole #1 uses the cover from a US issue not contained in that book. But regardless, if labels were strictly by the US cover equivalent, these should have had that weird, nonsensical, out-of-order numbering. Obviously, I'm very glad they didn't do that to these books, because that would be amazingly dumb.

But there are other titles where it sure sounds like that's exactly what we should expect.

[gadzukes]

On 4/22/2022 at 12:16 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

 

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Um.... Should there be a "C" option where the comic is actually called by it's real name "Homem-Aranha"?

Edited April 23, 2022 by gadzukes

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/23/2022 at 10:40 PM, gadzukes said:

Um.... Should there be a "C" option where the comic is actually called by it's real name "Homem Aranha"?

Nobody likes a smart arse Gadzukes 

I spelled the other word wrong too 

[gadzukes]

On 4/23/2022 at 5:41 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

Nobody likes a smart arse Gadzukes 

I spelled the other word wrong too 

I'm not even talking about you Marwood, I'm talking about the CGC label.... look at it.  They misspelled the title.

Edited April 23, 2022 by gadzukes

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/23/2022 at 10:43 PM, gadzukes said:

I'm not even talking about you Marwood, I'm talking about the CGC label.... look at it.

I feel better now. 

[Get Marwood & I]

Poxy foreigns 

[gadzukes]

On 4/23/2022 at 5:44 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

I feel better now. 

I think we're going to see A LOT of misspellings on these foreign slabs moving forward.

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/23/2022 at 10:46 PM, gadzukes said:

I think we're going to see A LOT of misspellings on these foreign slabs moving forward.

It's the real reason for adopting the US titles. Easier to spell. 

[gadzukes]

I'm still slightly confused.  Here is one of my Australian Reggie comics.  Clearly marked as #4, but it has the cover to the US Reggie #1 (truthfully I've never seen an Australian Reggie 1, 2, or 3... they don't show it on the GCD so I'm not sure if they exist).

If I submit this will it come back as a "Reggie 1" as the main heading on the label?

 

[Get Marwood & I]

What do you think of it all, Gad? You're a non-US enthusiast. Are you happy with what they're doing? @gadzukes

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/23/2022 at 10:54 PM, gadzukes said:

I'm still slightly confused.  Here is one of my Australian Reggie comics.  Clearly marked as #4, but it has the cover to the US Reggie #1 (truthfully I've never seen an Australian Reggie 1, 2, or 3... they don't show it on the GCD so I'm not sure if they exist).

If I submit this will it come back as a "Reggie 1" as the main heading on the label?

 

You've read their announcement. What do you think they'll do?

 

Foreign Editions

This classification is assigned to international comics that feature a cover to which a US counterpart exists but is not a facsimile.......

.....CGC classifies and labels foreign editions by the title and issue number of their US counterpart, but also lists the foreign title and issue on the label as well. The country of origin is listed as the edition, such as “Norwegian edition”. The contents of each foreign edition are researched, with pertinent stories, appearances, or artists listed in the art and key comments on the label

[gadzukes]

On 4/23/2022 at 5:55 PM, Get Marwood & I said:

What do you think of it all, Gad? You're a non-US enthusiast. Are you happy with what they're doing? @gadzukes

IMO Comics should be named on a label by what the title (and number) is on the comic.  Then a sub-title can be used to identify what US comic that it comes from.

I don't mind "1st appearance in (whatever country)", but it should never state "1st appearance" unless it was printed at the same time as the US copy (like Pence variants).  

The word "reprint" should probably be used when it's a reprint, otherwise it's very confusing.

I am VERY happy that CGC is getting serious about foreign comics, and I believe there's bound to be some tweaking of the labels going forward.  It's impossible to put out a perfect label on day one, but if they are willing to listen to the fan base and make changes when they start to see where the trouble spots are then it'll all work out.

Edited April 23, 2022 by gadzukes

[Get Marwood & I]

On 4/23/2022 at 11:05 PM, gadzukes said:

Comics should be named on a label by what the title is on the comic.  Then a sub-title can be used to identify what US comic that it comes from.

I don't mind "1st appearance in (whatever country)", but it should never state "1st appearance" if it was not printed at the same time as the US copy (like Pence variants).  

The word "reprint" should probably be used when it's a reprint, otherwise it's very confusing.

I am VERY happy that CGC is getting serious about foreign comics, and I believe there's bound to be some tweaking of the labels going forward.  It's impossible to put out a perfect label on day one, but if they are willing to listen to the fan base and make changes when they start to see where the trouble spots are then it'll all work out.

We're on the same page Gad.