C2E2 Variant Drama 24 24

[ADAMANTIUM]

[fastballspecial]

On 8/9/2022 at 12:39 PM, stynxno said:

I like Danielle and I've always had an awesome professional encounter with her. In our sales, her grading is always on point and her packing/response rate is fantastic. When I came back to comics a couple of years ago, I stumbled into the little community she was building on instragram and whatnot. I appreciate what she's trying to do - expanding the diversity of the comicbook community while having to deal with the BS associated with simply being a woman in comics. The amount of energy she has to spend dealing with misogyny is ridiculous though, before this C2E2 stuff, her what not sales seemed like one for the few places where folks could just be themselves. The comic community is, in my experience, small but isn't tight-knit. Instead, it's full of different smaller communities and those who are fine just collecting/reading/etc. Danielle has been intentionally doing what folks do online now - moving beyond social media and into simply nurturing a community. I doubt there's anything she could say/type/share that would get everyone degrading her to stop. She's a woman in the comic community and, imo, some believe that gives them permission to attack/insult/etc.  The mere performance/presence of femininity isn't permission for folks to behave the way they have. It is totally possible for folks to critique the whole situation (aka why this not-a-variant exists in the first place, how variants at cons are sold, wtf cgc was doing giving this book a blue label) while, at the same time, reflecting on how we would be reacting if was a white-man with Danielle's length as a comic dealer tied up in this situation.  

I'm taking too long to write this - so hopefully CGC hasn't posted their update before I wrote this. To me, this wouldn't be the big deal it's become for the last few days online (youtube, whatnot, instagram, this website and others) if it wasn't for the fact that CGC gave these a universal label and that at least one very online woman was involved. 

Gender has nothing to do with this at all. Please do not go down that road. Leave that issue somewhere else its a completely separate argument.

Not once has this even been mentioned in 30+ pages until you did.

This is completely about how it happened, why it happened and how CGC did what they did. 

[DrunkWooky]

On 8/9/2022 at 1:14 PM, CGC Mike said:

CGC graded these comics only because the acetate cover was created by the artist himself.

So, these printed blank covers being sold on Ebay are all blue label if they are submitted right? They were created by Cho. They are produced by a retailer and attached to the issue. 

 

 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:28 PM, Iceman399 said:

So when I create my own stick figure cover cgc will grade them? 

Only if you created the book you attached them to... 

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:34 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

Only if you created the book you attached them to... 

[mattn792]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:32 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I already have a few long boxes of the Superman #75 ready, just need to order the acetate and get approval from CGC and Mike. 

Then I will be reaching out to Dan Jurgens..

We're about to get paid!

[williamblood]

has crain ever said he did the acetate art? i highly doubt he did. he just signed them

[iggykoopa]

What a :censored:$how and terrible response from CGC. Man, I've always been a staunch defender of CGC when things have gone bad, ups and downs. I love the product, the look, the feeling of knowing that you're holding onto the what was considered the leader in collectible grading. This has made me reconsider all of what I've held onto since I got into grading comics and the fact that CGC has now triple downed on their responses is just disgraceful. I have no words but I know that I won't be submitting anymore. CGC has had several chances to right the ship and have stayed the course no matter what. I am really in shock at this whole fiasco.

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:35 PM, mattn792 said:

We're about to get paid!

[jhenry30]

The book was originally ok'd and published by Marvel for the retailer. They then took the book, added to it through another publisher without Marvels consent, and branded it as something new. Can you even consider it a Marvel book at that point. Even if its the original artist its still a bootleg because Marvel didn't ok it.

[SeniorSurfer]

On 8/9/2022 at 3:08 PM, Murphman13 said:

Come on CGC. Think this through and do the right thing. Your position is completely illogical. 

 

[jhenry30]

The simple fact remains that they didn't have Marvels permission to do this which invalidates every argument for allowing it to be graded. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by jhenry30

[ADAMANTIUM]

I know this is serious and should be followed up on, yet it takes a back and forth. We can go on all day, and it will maybe be taken into consideration, that is the only saving face thing that I AM happy for.

I just don't want to overload the powers, because I'm also sure some kind of "thought went into this", but it is a struggle when no announcement was made or known before hand.

If they can just clarify to everyone's capability what is the "rule?" Then going forward we can adjust? Past experiences show us that evidently we either didn't understand? or is this CGC "bending the rules?" or do we have some kind of fallacy?

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:37 PM, iggykoopa said:

CGC has had several chances to right the ship

The ship in question. 

[Iceman399]

 

 

[williamblood]

how many more stupid answers do we have to get before cgc admits it made a mistake and all future gradings of these books will be green labels

Edited August 9, 2022 by williamblood

[Cat]

On 8/10/2022 at 5:14 AM, CGC Mike said:

CGC graded these comics only because the acetate cover was created by the artist himself.

But Mike, what's the criteria? Can any artist do it for any book they might likely have done a cover on? This is madness. 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:45 PM, Cat said:

But Mike, what's the criteria? Can any artist do it for any book they might likely have done a cover on? This is madness. 

[southern cross]

On 8/9/2022 at 12:43 PM, williamblood said:

how many more stupid answers do we have to get before cgc admits it made a mistake and all future gradings of these books will be green labels

They won't.

They've made their bed and will now lay down on it.

Well it's been fun, off to work at the comic shop.

Shhh don't tell my boss about this or I'll be stuck in the back room with a stack of X-Force 1s, acetate and a stapler 🤪

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/9/2022 at 2:46 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

I'd post the cover to "Mad issue #166" but even I know the boundaries