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[awakeintheashes]

On 8/16/2022 at 7:18 PM, Buzzetta said:

Yankee time... let's see how we can screw up tonight against Tampa. 

3-0 Tampa Bay and the game is only ten minutes old.  

Seriously 

[jcjames]

On 8/16/2022 at 4:37 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

In other words the acetate was the only gradable thing for bad idea, which in the slab looked "invisible." That's why the invisible comics had all ranges of grades slabbed

So with acetate applied here it is possible that the train of thought could again be applied 

Were these Frankenbooks even considered to be double-covers? 

Nope. 

How is it possible to ADD a second cover to a published book, damage the underlying original book in the process, and then come out with a 10 grade for the book as a whole, as if it was a single-cover original book?

Anything's possible when one sells out their principles. 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by jcjames

[MGH]

On 8/17/2022 at 7:33 AM, BS Damutantman said:

It seems possible to me (without any proof) that CGC could offer a more advanced prescreen option to retailers. It does seem highly unlikely otherwise that BF lucked into that grade distribution. 

you can see an entire run of 50,000 books with no 10.0 .... why would there be an advanced service to find a unicorn amongst even 1000 books ?   

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:38 PM, bc said:

-bc

Ya I edited, cause the invisibles had all grades from 0.5 to perfect 10s and the acetate that was graded to achieve those labels were what was graded.

With the exact grading spanning books here, that is why some presumed the same happened, manufacturing collectables.

But like @awakeintheashes said no proof without cgc response

[TTony]

On 8/15/2022 at 9:40 AM, Jimmy Linguini said:

Did anyone see the response from Whatnot's comic division?
 

 

Either you need to contact Aaron directly... or he has the easiest job in the world and will just respond "We have fraud but won't address because 'you know...' life stuff."

 

Also, the person who wrote that text is not the CEO of Whatnot, that person is a YT Influencer who Whatnot may have employed or contracted with.  That is Jack DeMayo from Simpleman's comics (not sure if they are still active).  But if you want to learn to be a YT influencer... here you go:  

 

[shadroch]

On 8/16/2022 at 4:13 PM, The Meta said:

And look who has to chime in as well

Ever stop to think about how selfish you come across as, from time to time?

Yeah didnt think so

Please expound. I'm curious. I've been called all sorts of things but I'm not sure I've ever been called selfish. 

[bc]

On 8/16/2022 at 7:42 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Ya I edited, cause the invisibles had all grades from 0.5 to perfect 10s and the acetate that was graded to achieve those labels were what was graded.

With the exact grading spanning books here, that is why some presumed the same happened, manufacturing collectables.

But like @awakeintheashes said no proof without cgc response

-bc

[southern cross]

Now does CGC just look at and grade the red part of the cover or do they grade both?

Grading a comic that already has a cover and then another cover stapled over top.

If that cover underneath is not a 10 then the book isn't a 10.

Of course some will say the cover with the highest grade is what the book ends up as.

That's only for accidentally manufactured double and multiple covers during manufacturing.

Yeah I'm hoping to see this thread over 200 pages.

CGC pin this thread at the top of the page so you can look at it every day and bow your head in shame. 👍

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:44 PM, bc said:

-bc

Lol wasn't the name of the bridge liable? I'm no fact checker but I'll be certain before I state as fact

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:47 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Lol wasn't the name of the bridge liable? I'm no fact checker but I'll be certain before I state as fact

Or is it lible libel? 

Either way I hope all I hear is reliable.

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by ADAMANTIUM

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:47 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Or is it lible libel? 

Either way I hope all I hear is reliable.

 

And to further recap, I find it odd that cgc used the stray dogs acetate as the president for the acetate books as blue labels, when the invisibles were as well.

Then there was the artist who did the stray dog covers, that not only recanted that as precedent but also that they dont want "their good name ruined."

But it's all speculation that imo wouldnt happen often enough to ruin the process. If cgc truly called this an unprecedented move, I doubt they'd do it again soon.

Or "whatnot!"

[FFB]

On 8/16/2022 at 4:20 PM, eddly said:

Yeah, Meta and Buzz need to take this elsewhere.  This adds nothing to the discussion and is completely 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/16/2022 at 7:52 PM, shadroch said:

On 8/16/2022 at 7:47 PM, The Meta said:

Going into other peoples threads to complain, yet make the most redundant, self indulging threads yourself

 

Take it to Phil’s parking lot 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 8/16/2022 at 8:01 PM, FFB said:

Yeah, Meta and Buzz need to take this elsewhere.  This adds nothing to the discussion and is completely 

Who asked you?

[DR.X]

On 8/16/2022 at 6:37 PM, MGH said:

I still for the life of me cant understand how anyone can staple a cover to an already existing book and have all edges line up flawlessly to achieve a 9.9 or 10.0.  

 

[southern cross]

[thehumantorch]

On 8/16/2022 at 5:29 PM, bc said:

So Black Flag can get EXACLY one 10.0, three 9.9's and six 9.8's across 3 different titles when the submission only consisted of 30 books?

The original version of this frankenbook had 100x times more submissions and never got better than a 9.8.

-bc

The grades are very suspicious.  But I have a problem believing CGC would sell grades knowing how important their reputation for unbiased grading is.  Especially for a few relatively low value books graded for what I assume is a relatively low volume submitter.  Why not the Action 1s of the world and the Heritage Auctions of the world.

It would be nice CGC would respond to this.  

[southern cross]

Grading they will say is their opinion and not fact.

Perception and reality can be different.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 8/16/2022 at 7:14 PM, thehumantorch said:

The grades are very suspicious.  But I have a problem believing CGC would sell grades knowing how important their reputation for unbiased grading is.  Especially for a few relatively low value books graded for what I assume is a relatively low volume submitter.  Why not the Action 1s of the world and the Heritage Auctions of the world.

It would be nice CGC would respond to this.  

This is how I feel too yet it's hard not to just say: and substitute or not science for acetate

[JC25427N]

The only alternative to paid grades I can think that would be somewhat plausible is that Black Flag actually submitted a ton more than just 30 copies of each those acetate covers and had CGC do a special pre-screening type of service where they could just say "Here's a cart load of books, find me exactly one 10.0, three 9.9s, and 26 9.8s from these, and once you met that quota just ship me back the rest" 

But idk, Occam's Razor.