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C2E2 Variant Drama
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jsilverjanet

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On 8/9/2022 at 11:21 AM, SkOw said:

 

She deleted this statement.  I like Adam and while I don't know Danielle real well (only met her once back in probably like 2018 at one of the Chicago shows) and she struck me a a very nice person, but it is weird she would delete it.  My guess is that a lot of people that bought them did NOT know it was just a facsimile with another homemade cover stapled on.  Now you are in the situation where you have 10-15 copies of essentially a bootleg comic you are sitting on. (shrug)

My advice would be to: 

1) Recycle them and take a stand against bootleg comics; or

2) Sell them at sticker price to the people who wanted them (or at a slight premium) and donate the proceeds to a charity.

Being associated with something like this in a tight knit community like ours isn't a good idea.  I'm no influencer dealer or whatever, but I wouldn't want my name any where near this whole thing.

 she purchased some of my $5 books at the last c2e2

 

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On 8/9/2022 at 12:00 PM, Iceman399 said:

Top posts shall no longer be PINNED

Going forward CGC shall STAPLE all key posts and announcements.

Are they married to that idea?

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:01 PM, jsilverjanet said:
On 8/9/2022 at 1:00 PM, Iceman399 said:

Top posts shall no longer be PINNED

Going forward CGC shall STAPLE all key posts and announcements.

Are they married to that idea?

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On 8/8/2022 at 5:40 PM, Terry JSA said:

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Let's not forget this, purportedly from Black Flag.

Not only are Influencers and Collectors separated, but, if I'm reading this poorly formatted post correctly, the Collector's line will only have 100 of the 350 print run. Assumingly, the other 250 are for Influencers.

Not to mention the fluctuating price; is the $100 for Ghost Rider and $125+ for Deadpool? How much is Venom? What does the + mean after $125? Does it change as supplies get low or how you feel that day?

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:18 PM, manetteska said:

Let's not forget this, purportedly from Black Flag.

Not only are Influencers and Collectors separated, but, if I'm reading this poorly formatted post correctly, the Collector's line will only have 100 of the 350 print run. Assumingly, the other 250 are for Influencers.

Not to mention the fluctuating price; is the $100 for Ghost Rider and $125+ for Deadpool? How much is Venom? What does the + mean after $125? Does it change as supplies get low or how you feel that day?

To try to translate some of their hype-speak, I think the "+" is for the pre-slabbed versions. It seems we can assume there will be 1x 10, 3x 9.9, and 6x 9.8 available at time of sale, so they don't want you to imagine you can get one of those for anything less than a totally imaginary price.

Also it seems that the "influencer" line may be based on pre-sales or pre-commitments via whatever IG, YT, TT, etc platform.  They know who's a collector vs who's an "influencer" based on pre-determined cross promotional activity.

This is all just speculation, and possibly gives more benefit of the doubt than is deserved.

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On 8/9/2022 at 12:18 PM, manetteska said:

Let's not forget this, purportedly from Black Flag.

Not only are Influencers and Collectors separated, but, if I'm reading this poorly formatted post correctly, the Collector's line will only have 100 of the 350 print run. Assumingly, the other 250 are for Influencers.

Not to mention the fluctuating price; is the $100 for Ghost Rider and $125+ for Deadpool? How much is Venom? What does the + mean after $125? Does it change as supplies get low or how you feel that day?

i suspect the other 400 of each one has already been sold

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On 8/9/2022 at 11:25 AM, DrunkWooky said:

Yeah, there's a segment of the American public that thinks you need to fly a flag in front of your house, own an AR-15, support every war regardless of the reasons, and accept police brutality to love your country. 

The same crowd with shirts saying "I won't apologize for being patriotic." Yeah, nobody was demanding that bro. Take it down a notch. 

Those types eat this gaudy stuff up. 

Race, is that you?

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:18 PM, manetteska said:

Let's not forget this, purportedly from Black Flag.

Not only are Influencers and Collectors separated, but, if I'm reading this poorly formatted post correctly, the Collector's line will only have 100 of the 350 print run. Assumingly, the other 250 are for Influencers.

I'm pretty sure what that's saying is..

If you want one, get in the Collector's line and chances are good.

If you want more than one, get in the sellers line and hope for the best. 

100 "collectors" will get one. 

25 "sellers" will get 10 (assuming they all max out, which they likely will) 

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On 8/9/2022 at 1:18 PM, manetteska said:

Let's not forget this, purportedly from Black Flag.

Not only are Influencers and Collectors separated, but, if I'm reading this poorly formatted post correctly, the Collector's line will only have 100 of the 350 print run. Assumingly, the other 250 are for Influencers.

Not to mention the fluctuating price; is the $100 for Ghost Rider and $125+ for Deadpool? How much is Venom? What does the + mean after $125? Does it change as supplies get low or how you feel that day?

Deadpool price is $125 is for the "industry standard " four staples, $5.00 surcharge for each extra staple up to ten!!! 

 

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On 8/9/2022 at 12:21 PM, SkOw said:

 

She deleted this statement.  I like Adam and while I don't know Danielle real well (only met her once back in probably like 2018 at one of the Chicago shows) and she struck me a a very nice person, but it is weird she would delete it.  My guess is that a lot of people that bought them did NOT know it was just a facsimile with another homemade cover stapled on.  Now you are in the situation where you have 10-15 copies of essentially a bootleg comic you are sitting on. (shrug)

My advice would be to: 

1) Recycle them and take a stand against bootleg comics; or

2) Sell them at sticker price to the people who wanted them (or at a slight premium) and donate the proceeds to a charity.

Being associated with something like this in a tight knit community like ours isn't a good idea.  I'm no influencer dealer or whatever, but I wouldn't want my name any where near this whole thing.

I like Danielle and I've always had an awesome professional encounter with her. In our sales, her grading is always on point and her packing/response rate is fantastic. When I came back to comics a couple of years ago, I stumbled into the little community she was building on instragram and whatnot. I appreciate what she's trying to do - expanding the diversity of the comicbook community while having to deal with the BS associated with simply being a woman in comics. The amount of energy she has to spend dealing with misogyny is ridiculous though, before this C2E2 stuff, her what not sales seemed like one for the few places where folks could just be themselves. The comic community is, in my experience, small but isn't tight-knit. Instead, it's full of different smaller communities and those who are fine just collecting/reading/etc. Danielle has been intentionally doing what folks do online now - moving beyond social media and into simply nurturing a community. I doubt there's anything she could say/type/share that would get everyone degrading her to stop. She's a woman in the comic community and, imo, some believe that gives them permission to attack/insult/etc.  The mere performance/presence of femininity isn't permission for folks to behave the way they have. It is totally possible for folks to critique the whole situation (aka why this not-a-variant exists in the first place, how variants at cons are sold, wtf cgc was doing giving this book a blue label) while, at the same time, reflecting on how we would be reacting if was a white-man with Danielle's length as a comic dealer tied up in this situation.  

I'm taking too long to write this - so hopefully CGC hasn't posted their update before I wrote this. To me, this wouldn't be the big deal it's become for the last few days online (youtube, whatnot, instagram, this website and others) if it wasn't for the fact that CGC gave these a universal label and that at least one very online woman was involved. 

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