Problems with CGC grading a CLEANED and pressed book with a purple label. My thoughts. 7 7

[Dick Pontoon]

It's a shame this thread had to be shaved.

[kimik]

On 4/16/2023 at 7:03 PM, joeypost said:

Remember that at one point in time Jason Ewert had many following him and his uncanny ability to consistently get Uber high grades on his books. He was king of the hill for a little while, until it all unraveled around him. 

During the Ewert peak I was getting 9.8s consistently on uncleaned/pressed/trimmed books from OO collections and purchases from LCSs. No microtrimming, cleaning/pressing or resto needed back then as there were so many beautiful collections to choose from.

Edited April 17, 2023 by kimik

[hyhhyss12]

On 4/16/2023 at 11:22 AM, JollyComics said:

I think he missed the restorations. I missed them once in a while. Sometimes, reputed sellers missed them but we always work it out.   It's your responsible to check the restorations before you purchase or submit your books to CGC.

He should have contacted CCS or any professional restoration services to learn about the dry cleaning and chemical.  He should have read this link from here - 

He should have asked CCS to screen the books if there is any restorations.  

He hadn't used opportunities but instead he complained on his vlog.

Clearly you have never watched a video of his if that's the take you give.

Edited April 17, 2023 by hyhhyss12

[joeypost]

I’m going to do a few tests using peroxide and UV light and it’s affects on books. I can’t imagine anything good will come of it other than it looks pretty. 

[MrPcfixer]

On 4/17/2023 at 10:07 AM, joeypost said:

I’m going to do a few tests using peroxide and UV light and it’s affects on books. I can’t imagine anything good will come of it other than it looks pretty. 

Well good luck on your testing. It has been proven to be highly successful.

[MrPcfixer]

On 4/16/2023 at 4:57 PM, NWOslave said:

correcting someone is not an insult. I also provided an opinion based on your post. cgc will be fine as long as speculators are falling for spider-boy 7's all day long. And, I have friends, aquiantences and family thank you.

Sir its ADVICE not ADVISE. Might want to start checking your own mistakes before trying to correct others.

[Artboy99]

On 4/17/2023 at 6:58 AM, hyhhyss12 said:

Clearly you have never watched a video of his if that's the take you give.

I watch many of his videos and a few comments:

-Absorene is chemical cleaning. It may be detectable by CGC now

-CGC may be able to detect the blue light whitening he does

-He does not know if anything was done to the book before he acquired it.

-he needs to acknowledge that once the book has left his hands things can happen to it even while at CGC: it can get bumped, dropped, damaged during encapsulation, etc.

 

[Nazirite]

I truly hope more books that I have on my want list hit the market with purple labels, cover cleaned ain't nothing but a discount baby.  

[buttock]

On 4/16/2023 at 1:42 PM, MrPcfixer said:

I understand some of the questions but attacking people for bringing up the question is petty. I amongst many others do my own cleaning and pressing and I am concerned that cleaning books will bring a PLOD for using a water bath and dry eraser. These are very basic techniques and yes some of these are getting flagged as "RESTORED". CGC is basing alot of this on assumptions because if you look at a cover and see it cleaned and tidy then open up the book and see tanned pages well you are going to assume it was cleaned. I reallty dont want to argue with anyone. It seems thats all people do now adays is find something to argue about no matter what. I like to think these forums and others like this are here to help/educate/uplift people. I see too many people happy or upset that someone else is able to do something they cant or wont and then attack. I did ask for opinions and I thank each and everyone who participates in this all be it negative or positive. I will gladly debate anyone with decoram and kindness anyday about what RESTORATION vs CLEANING means. Hopefully we can all learn something from this as we go. And for those who asked about evidence or proof the one video poseted is just the tip of the iceberg. Hang tight I will post a few more here so you can see some of the seeds of chaos this is sewing. Hobby Hero/ Immaculate Comics is a really amazing person who is always on the cutting edge of responsible cleaning https://www.youtube.com/@ImmaculateComics. I can keep going but start with these and I will answer questions as I go.

 

I wouldn't call what he's doing the "cutting edge of responsible cleaning".  These guys know that treatments are damaging the paper.  They even warn about doing it too many times and causing brittleness.  He's also selling products (like immacuclean) that aren't adequately tested and other people very deep into this stuff are wary of.  

And using a water bath... that's been PLOD since day one.  Going back to the 1980s when restoration was in its infancy that was considered restoration.  It's irreversible.  

[JollyComics]

On 4/17/2023 at 7:58 AM, hyhhyss12 said:

Clearly you have never watched a video of his if that's the take you give.

I watched it wholly. Clearly you are wrong.

Edited April 17, 2023 by JollyComics

[Lazyboy]

On 4/17/2023 at 9:11 AM, MrPcfixer said:

Sir its ADVICE not ADVISE. Might want to start checking your own mistakes before trying to correct others.

They're both words, but neither was used by NWOslave, so...

[WoWitHurts]

Lost me at "ALOT of extremely good professional cleaners and pressers out there."

[MrPcfixer]

On 4/17/2023 at 3:48 PM, Lazyboy said:

They're both words, but neither was used by NWOslave, so...

Different thread he made. I called him out for being petty and let him know to check his own spelling before he tries to correct others.

[MrPcfixer]

On 4/17/2023 at 4:28 PM, WoWitHurts said:

Lost me at "ALOT of extremely good professional cleaners and pressers out there."

I bet you get lost easily in any conversation then. I mean its basic english. But if being petty is your thing do you boo boo.

[Lazyboy]

On 4/17/2023 at 3:49 PM, MrPcfixer said:

Different thread he made. I called him out for being petty and let him know to check his own spelling before he tries to correct others.

Wait... you looked up a thread from years ago for that? You're the one who's petty, in addition to all your other amazing qualities. And your spelling (among many other things) does suck.

[Topnotchman]

The referees are throwing flags on these aqua cleaned up books.  Instead of taking responsibility theses you tubers just want to create more drama with their complaining. The entire “wow” me you tubers is actually quite silly, it’s all side bar entertainment to me. 
 

I don’t know of any trusted comic restoration or pressing professional that has any type of drama driven social media platform. 

[MrPcfixer]

On 4/17/2023 at 6:12 PM, Lazyboy said:

Wait... you looked up a thread from years ago for that? You're the one who's petty, in addition to all your other amazing qualities. And your spelling (among many other things) does suck.

Ok buddy you are so right. Ill go hide in the sand now

[CGC Mike]

On 4/16/2023 at 9:46 PM, MR. Pontoon said:

It's a shame this thread had to be shaved.

Stu was banned.  That resulted in all of his posts being hidden.  Other than that, no posts were removed.

[joeypost]

On 4/17/2023 at 9:30 PM, CGC Mike said:

Stu was banned.  That resulted in all of his posts being hidden.  Other than that, no posts were removed.

I didn’t know that Mike. Good to know. 

[Randall Dowling]

The trouble with many of these chemical treatments is that some are getting past CGC and ending up in blue labels so the clowns keep doing it to more books.  Then they cry when it gets caught some percentage of the time, as if to say "I should be able to cheat all the time without getting caught.  This isn't fair!  ". 

I am without compassion or sympathy for all of them.  I hope you get caught every single time and lose large quantities of money.  And then I hope your girlfriend breaks up with you and starts dating your least favorite person from middle school.