ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[skybolt]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:17 PM, Kripsys99 said:

I'm trying to coax them into coming out and saying something, do you mind!?  

[sledgehammer]

On 12/27/2023 at 1:21 PM, FlyingDonut said:

No they're not. This will go away, like every other CGC "scandal" over the last 25 years.

Whew that's a relief. You certainly nailed how far less than a major issue whatchamacallit-19 was in early 2020.

Sorry buddy, I had to do it. 

 

Edited December 27, 2023 by sledgehammer

[Sigur Ros]

On 12/27/2023 at 10:07 AM, comicwiz said:

4115260001 - Incredible Hulk 181 Qualified 7.0 (Incomplete) - Sold Sept 3, 2022 for $4700 (GD: 08/24/2022)

 

4115170002 - Incredible Hulk 181 Universal 7.5 - Sold Nov 9, 2022 for $6000 (GD: 08/24/2022)

 

Might want to remove the CBCS slab before they remove your entire post.

They're sensitive like that.

[sd2416]

On 12/27/2023 at 1:49 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Unknown. I can't remember the name of the main mod, but he bans anyone who says anything even slightly negative about CGC.

The group is called CGC Comic Fans. 

Bill?

[The Cargo Hold]

I'm a little late to the game following this. I had a few questions and I'm sorry if they have been addressed already. I stopped reading around page 50 so 157 is a little daunting.

1. If I remember correctly, the language for reholder used to indicate that the book would be re-evaulated and it wouldn't guarantee the same grade. That language is different now it seems.

2. If the submitter indicated they missed anything on several books, why would CGC not open the inner well and verify? Even if it happened on one book, how do you not verify? I understand CGC is overwhelmed, but I would think this is crucial.

3. Lastly and I'm not into conspiracy theories, but is it possible that certain individuals at CGC, not CGC as a company may be involved? I know that might be a stretch, but is that even a possibility or has that been debunked?

I haven't been a CGC retailer since the $200 fee was implemented, but when I start up again I'm concerned about submitting reholder or any submission for customers. Do I have a valid concern?

[BigLeagueCHEW]

On 12/27/2023 at 11:34 AM, MAR1979 said:

Photo images taken by CGC should be a preventative mechanism for swapping BUT they have only been adding them to public Certification's DB since this summer and with the near blinding brightness levels of the pics I feel they are essentially useless. Meaning the level of brightness obscures much detail and fine detail.

I was thinking this works, but, what about a pre and post reholder image? How can you really tell if that is the book they accepted and is actually the grade it was pre? We would need imaging service to maintain all images for that book for each submission. If that makes sense?

[Point Five]

On 12/27/2023 at 3:35 PM, sd2416 said:

Bill?

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

[mephistopheles]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:05 PM, agamoto said:

Just sitting here thinking... 

The silence from Gem-Mint and ComicTom is deafening. 

He is just having trouble deciding which idiotic expression to put in his thumbnail.

[mephistopheles]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:42 PM, William-James88 said:

Why would this be picked up as a news story when worse issues haven't? This is just the latest oopsie from a grading company which made thousands of oopsies, just like any other grading company has.

 

[drotto]

On 12/27/2023 at 3:45 PM, Point Five said:

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

I sense a large does of copium has been taken.

[Aman619]

one side to this is I see many new posters in this thread with less than 1000 posts.  This has struck a Neve t get so many newbies to sign up here.  The future looks bright!   : )

[OJ Pimpson]

On 12/27/2023 at 12:45 PM, Point Five said:

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

I’m clearly one of the three people he is refering to. I wonder who the other two are?

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 1:05 PM, agamoto said:

Just sitting here thinking... 

The silence from Gem-Mint and ComicTom is deafening. 

In fairness, I am not sure what this topic has to do with the top ten trending comics this week. I am good with people staying in their lanes. 

[Stefan_W]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:38 PM, apoptosis said:

Can you point me to this?  I must of missed in this thread.

Sorry, I did not bookmark the post. I think it was somewhere around page 100, give or take twenty pages. 

[Ron C.]

If all of this forces CGC to improve the quality of it's slab (less movement of inner well with potential damage to book, less scuffing, less Newton Rings, better slab security and integrity) then at least something positive will come out of all this.

Edited December 27, 2023 by Ron C.

[Iconic1s]

On 12/27/2023 at 2:45 PM, Point Five said:

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

So glad “Bill” gets to decide what 37000 people get to talk about!  This is why I deleted FB.

On 12/27/2023 at 2:52 PM, mephistopheles said:

He is just having trouble deciding which idiotic expression to put in his thumbnail.

I blocked this guy everywhere after about 3 mins into the first video of his I ever watched.

On the bright side I at least now know I’m one of the people here that don’t know what the hell I’m talking about!  Just glad that with over 650 slabs in my collection you guys allow me to have an opinion.

Thanks for all the hard work you all are doing finding these books!  It’s important because if you don’t do it nobody else will.  Even if this ends up being contained here and a few social media channels, it’s still righteous work. 
 

It may not just save someone thousands of dollars but also the heartache of something like CPR’ing that Universal grail and finding out it was qualified all along!

Edited December 27, 2023 by Iconic1s

[VintageComics]

On 12/27/2023 at 11:07 AM, Stefan_W said:

Ok, so you are arguing that because CGC did not release a statement fast enough for your satisfaction a video of how to break into slabs needed to be released? As I said earlier, yes scammers already know this stuff but hundreds if not thousands of people watching it will be hearing about it for the first time. 

 

I agree with you that this is a VERY dangerous way to handle things. It reeks of nerd ego. 

This guy should have sent the details to CGC but not exposed them publicly. 

May as well explain to everyone how to build a bomb and trust the cops to catch the bad guys. Does this person dislike CGC?

Edited December 27, 2023 by VintageComics

[uncannyjames]

Here is another questionable CGC 9.8 Mark Jewelers for sale on ebay that is definitely not a 9.8

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285617050488

[Iconic1s]

On 12/27/2023 at 3:21 PM, VintageComics said:

This guy should have sent the details to CGC but not exposed them publicly. 

I have thought about this also, but in regards to the swap scam breaking on IG first.  Should this have gone to CGC?  Or, were they already quietly warned, or knew of the issue and chose to turn a blind eye.  What you don’t know doesn’t hurt you kind of attitude.

[MatterEaterLad]

On 12/27/2023 at 1:45 PM, Point Five said:

Don't worry. He's got this.
 

Did he actually leave that post up?

Edited December 27, 2023 by MatterEaterLad