ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[pdags]

**** Can someone help verify ****

kellysuperhoroes Fantastic Four 4 looks a lot like Briva3's Fantastic Four 4...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186238407258

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285549202720

 

 

 

Edited January 6 by pdags

[MasterChief]

On 1/6/2024 at 7:47 AM, mr_highgrade said:

Check out his auction below. First look at the angle of the photo and notice there's no photo of the back cover.  Then look at "Item Specifics" all the way on the bottom left under "modified" Slight c.t. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315075164540?hash=item495bf1797c:g:MoUAAOSwnfNjUupG

[mr_highgrade]

On 1/6/2024 at 12:44 PM, EastEnd1 said:

And nearly a thousand followers! 

You always did like to brag. 

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:02 PM, mr_highgrade said:

On 1/6/2024 at 12:44 PM, EastEnd1 said:

And nearly a thousand followers! 

You always did like to brag. 

[EastEnd1]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:02 PM, mr_highgrade said:

You always did like to brag. 

[MasterChief]

On 1/6/2024 at 7:59 AM, pdags said:

**** Can someone verify ****

kellysuperhoroes Fantastic Four looks a lot like Briva3's Fantastic Four 4...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186238407258

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285549202720

Yes, those two books appear to be the same when comparing both front and back covers.

And the first copy, sold by kellyssuperheroeskellys, is listed with "slight c.t."

Edited January 6 by MasterChief
emphasis added

[360flip]

On 1/6/2024 at 9:59 AM, pdags said:

**** Can someone help verify ****

kellysuperhoroes Fantastic Four 4 looks a lot like Briva3's Fantastic Four 4...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186238407258

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285549202720

 

 

 

Doesn't look the same to me. Dark grey building on right in particular suggests different book

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:10 PM, MasterChief said:

those two books appear to be the same when comparing both front and back covers.

It's uncanny...   The only notable difference is the back, top staple.  Assuming he colored touched it, a few discrepancies may be real.

Edited January 6 by pdags

[thehumantorch]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:47 AM, mr_highgrade said:

Check out his auction below. First look at the angle of the photo and notice there's no photo of the back cover.  Then look at "Item Specifics" all the way on the bottom left under "modified" Slight c.t. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/315075164540?hash=item495bf1797c:g:MoUAAOSwnfNjUupG

His usual deceptive junk

Edited January 6 by thehumantorch

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:13 PM, pdags said:

It's uncanny...   The only notable difference is the back, top staple.  Assuming he colored touched it, a few discrepancies may be real.

There’s a color break on the spine that isn’t on the raw copy

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:16 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

There’s a color break on the spine that isn’t on the raw copy

Yeah, I noticed that a few minutes ago.  Is kellysuperheroes the guy known for micro-trimming?  And he is admitting to color touch in the posting.  ;-)

When Briva3 first broke, I spent a lot of time studying his FF4.  When I saw kellysuperheroes, it was uncanny. 

Edited January 6 by pdags

[mr_highgrade]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:18 PM, pdags said:

Yeah, I noticed that a few minutes ago.  Is the kellysuperheroes guy known for micro-trimming and is admitting color touch in the posting, correct?  ;-)

Yes, that's his MO.

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:20 PM, mr_highgrade said:

Yes, that's his MO.

If I go with my gut, that's the same book but micro-trimmed and added color touch...  

[topcat54]

Can someone  post pics of the Daredevil #1 CGC 8.5 1964 Stan Lee Signature  # 1506895009 and the Fantastic Four #45 CGC 8.5 1965 Stan Lee Signature # 1478893001 or tell me where to find them .

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:18 PM, pdags said:

When Briva3 first broke, I spent a lot of time studying his FF4.  When I saw kellysuperheroes, it was uncanny. 

Any chance the pin-up is in there?

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:27 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Any chance the pin-up is in there?

Shrug.  I looked at Briva3's FF4 for a while and came to the conclusion there was no obvious sign of fraud with it (which is why I didn't post anything about it).  IIRC is matched the grader's notes fairly well, but I'm not an expert.

[sledgehammer]

On 1/6/2024 at 12:27 PM, pdags said:

If I go with my gut, that's the same book but micro-trimmed and added color touch...  

Looks like 1/8th of an inch is missing from the top of the raw book, compared to the slab.

I don't think it is.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:27 PM, topcat54 said:

Can someone  post pics of the Daredevil #1 CGC 8.5 1964 Stan Lee Signature  # 1506895009 and the Fantastic Four #45 CGC 8.5 1965 Stan Lee Signature # 1478893001 or tell me where to find them .

There’s no pic of the DD 1 or FF 45 in the CGC database 

Edited January 6 by THE_BEYONDER

[pdags]

On 1/6/2024 at 1:30 PM, sledgehammer said:

Looks like 1/8th of an inch is missing from the top of the raw book, compared to the slab.

I'm not an expert of trimming, but my thinking is the raw book has been trimmed since Briva3's post.  Is that how you're seeing it?

In other words, an 1/8th of an inch off the raw is supporting my theory it's been trimmed.

[RockMyAmadeus]

On 1/6/2024 at 10:27 AM, pdags said:

If I go with my gut, that's the same book but micro-trimmed and added color touch...  

 

Edited January 6 by RockMyAmadeus