ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC 50 50

[mrd160]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:00 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

If there were DC custom labels, I’m sure there would be some on the list.

Agreed, but There are no custom labels because no one cares  (I do….but I’m not normal)

[shadroch]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:08 PM, MAR1979 said:

The Card bubble was far more insane than Comics. The drops after burst even more precipitous.

Or he sold a fake card for $1300 and reslabbed the original.

[mrd160]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:02 PM, shadroch said:

Or he sold a fake card for $1300 and reslabbed the original.

This just in…the scammer has moved on to fake handbags

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 1/9/2024 at 5:41 PM, BrashL said:

Man you love those straw men don't you

[buttock]

On 1/10/2024 at 12:38 PM, mrd160 said:

unfortunately immaculate comics showed how easy it was to get the label out of the inner well and swap it out. He showed a competitor's slab

Yes, but on 2nd gen slabs the label is sealed into the top of the inner well and you have to tear it a little to get it out.  

[ADAMANTIUM]

I'm so tired, tired of playing the game! 

[mrd160]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:59 PM, buttock said:

Yes, but on 2nd gen slabs the label is sealed into the top of the inner well and you have to tear it a little to get it out.  

Check out the video on YouTube. He addresses this 

[onlyweaknesskryptonite]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:49 PM, MAR1979 said:

Low Intelligence Viewer - generally the easiest folks to influence and rile up. Not that common a term my apologies for using it. Next time I'll go back to saying rubes or sheep

 

Of course I'm the person who collects DC Digests and Little Stooges Comics so perhaps I too am a rube..?

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:04 PM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

 

[paqart]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:57 PM, mrd160 said:

If this scam proves nothing else, it proves that no one gives a s@#% about DC…lol. I mean hey, I do, I’ve been collecting almost exclusively DC for the past 10 years  

I prefer DC to Marvel up to about 1975. Not sure what changed after that, but something did. My favorites are about 1958-1970.

[shadroch]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:59 PM, buttock said:

Yes, but on 2nd gen slabs the label is sealed into the top of the inner well and you have to tear it a little to get it out.  

I had a bunch of 1st gen slabs that the labels weren't sealed. Some were sealed poorly and some weren't sealed at all. The second were sealed pretty well.

[buttock]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:14 PM, shadroch said:

I had a bunch of 1st gen slabs that the labels weren't sealed. Some were sealed poorly and some weren't sealed at all. The second were sealed pretty well.

I don't think the 1st gen labels were sealed in.  That didn't come along until the 2nd gen.  

[Silver Surfer]

On 1/10/2024 at 2:14 PM, shadroch said:

I had a bunch of 1st gen slabs that the labels weren't sealed. Some were sealed poorly and some weren't sealed at all. The second were sealed pretty well.

Having cracked out 500+ slabs I’d say that it was very inconsistent.

[grendel013]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:49 PM, MAR1979 said:

Low Intelligence Viewer - generally the easiest folks to influence and rile up. Not that common a term my apologies for using it. Next time I'll go back to saying rubes or sheep

 

Of course I'm the person who collects DC Digests and Little Stooges Comics so perhaps I too am a rube..?

self-aware rubes are okay.

[drotto]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:01 PM, mrd160 said:

Agreed, but There are no custom labels because no one cares  (I do….but I’m not normal)

My GA Batman books are the only ones that have continued to go up in value and did not get the COVID bump and crash. A few have gone up 3 to 4 times and do not seem to be slowing down.

[grendel013]

On 1/10/2024 at 3:57 PM, mrd160 said:

If this scam proves nothing else, it proves that no one gives a s@#% about DC…lol. I mean hey, I do, I’ve been collecting almost exclusively DC for the past 10 years  

My Grendels are safe too. Stay away from my indies!!! I bought a raw Cerebus 1 just so I could submit to CGC myself.

[BrianR]

This may actually be a positive once the dust clears.  CGC will likely make changes both behind the scenes and publicly which should provide more certainty/trust in their product which has been lost in a select portion of their consumers.  These false 9.8s should be removed from the census lowering the number of 9.8s out there of these keys. some by possibly 3% and 10% if the counts are correct thus making them harder to find stabilizing their value or even slightly causing an increase.  CGC QC will improve likely at least for the forseeable future and they may become more strict in their grading cautioning on the more conservative side as there will be increased scrutiny.  I am far from a cgc apologist, but this may be a kick in the butt they need to improve.

[ADAMANTIUM]

If we have confirmed there are none new added to the list, then I have a follow up question

The ones that are crossed off, why are they?

Because they've been checked and deemed ok?

Because they've been checked and removed from the census?

Are no longer a valid cert?

Or were fine and CGC is leaving them with the same cert number but crossing them off "the list?"

🤔

[wiparker824]

On 1/10/2024 at 5:57 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

If we have confirmed there are none new added to the list, then I have a follow up question

The ones that are crossed off, why are they?

Because they've been checked and deemed ok?

Because they've been checked and removed from the census?

Are no longer a valid cert?

Or were fine and CGC is leaving them with the same cert number but crossing them off "the list?"

🤔

Seems like all of the above may be true, there isn’t any real consistency:

This book has a new graded date, but isn’t crossed off the list and has retained its cert number:

1589872-002

Amazing Fantasy #15 ("Stan Lee '86" written on page 1 in pen)

1962

Also it says this when you look it up now:

CGC Cert #

1589872002 - Contact reportfraud@collectiblesgroup.com if you own or are offered this book.

But if it was graded on 1/5/24 like it says then wouldn’t CGC be in possession of it? 

This book has been crossed off and doesn’t appear when you try to verify anymore presumably it got a new cert?

1341998-001

Amazing Spider-Man #1 (Signed by Stan Lee on 11/1/15)

1963

This book has been crossed off and does appear when you verify but without an updated graded date or an updated cert:

0800641-009

Avengers #57

1968

So yes, all of your questions are valid particularly because there isn’t really any pattern to what’s happening with books being removed.

[agamoto]

On 1/10/2024 at 4:57 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

If we have confirmed there are none new added to the list, then I have a follow up question

The ones that are crossed off, why are they?

Because they've been checked and deemed ok?

Because they've been checked and removed from the census?

Are no longer a valid cert?

Or were fine and CGC is leaving them with the same cert number but crossing them off "the list?"

🤔

I'll give you a predictive announcement:

"We've flagged all the suspicious books submitted by the individual and any other books related to the submitter which we deemed significant enough in value or prestige to consider worthy of further assurance investigation. Those books which we have reviewed and deemed not to have been swapped will be removed from the list by striking through the certification number. These books, since they are not affected, will retain their original certification number and slab. We continue our commitment to reviewing more books as they come in and regrading and encapsulating these books with new certification ID's. Above all else, please remember, there's only one scammer, this is a totally isolated incident, and these aren't the droids you're looking for. While we don't intend to pursue any criminal investigation, we look forward to running up the cost of our internal self-investigation so that we can pass them onto the scammer when we eventually nail them with a suit for injunctive relief and a restraining order. Please resume your healthy trade in 9.8 modern variants. Thanks."