Heritage Auctions Apr 4-7 2024 5 5

[G.A.tor]

On 4/5/2024 at 3:10 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

That Byrne Surfer page was pretty nice, and sold for $32K. 

I liked it to 30K...just couldn't bid any higher, cuz luckily I already have 2 great byrne pages from that issue...but if I didn't, I would have gone higher

[G.A.tor]

On 4/6/2024 at 10:07 AM, Carlo M said:

One of the strongest prices was the Buckler FF 155 cover.  It is a great image and has SS on it, but I thought the fact that its different from the published version would hold it back.  Anybody has any insights into the story of that particular cover?

there were 3 of us bidding over 170K for it...I , unfortunately, couldn't bid the 204 , to try to win it... sigh

[Silver Surfer]

On 4/7/2024 at 1:11 PM, batman_fan said:

A few items I was watching but no big bargains IMHO.

This one surprised me a bit.  Higher than I expected by 2x

Strong price for a panel page but a nice one

Higher than I expected.  Dr Doom effect?

Right in line where I thought it would go

 

Two more recent Buscema Avengers splashes with Palmer inks.  the image in the 1st one is a bit confusing but 2nd one is very nice.  Definitely makes me feel good about the two splashes in my collect at a 20x discount.

Shocking low on those Palmer pages. 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 4/5/2024 at 1:31 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

The TOS 39 page went for $552,OOO with juice. 

Okay, folks. Would you rather have a certified 9.8 copy of TOS 39 that just sold for $840,000, or the TOS 39 page that just sold for $552,000. Is there is a $290,000 difference in value?

 

 

[Bronty]

On 4/10/2024 at 2:41 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Okay, folks. Would you rather have a certified 9.8 copy of TOS 39 that just sold for $840,000, or the TOS 39 page that just sold for $552,000. Is there is a $290,000 difference in value?

 

 

I'm usually pro-art as most of us are here, but in this case I actually feel like the comic could have gone for a little more.   The price on the page feels fair to me.   So I guess I actually see more than a 290k value difference on this one.   Now, if it was the splash, I'd rather have that than the comic, or at the very least its a fair fight.

Edited April 10 by Bronty

[BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES]

On 4/7/2024 at 1:11 PM, batman_fan said:

A few items I was watching but no big bargains IMHO.

This one surprised me a bit.  Higher than I expected by 2x

 

 

 

I thought the price was in line with other Fury splashes.  This is a bit unusual with the Vietnam setting and the direct reference to date of publication

[tth2]

On 4/11/2024 at 2:41 AM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Okay, folks. Would you rather have a certified 9.8 copy of TOS 39 that just sold for $840,000, or the TOS 39 page that just sold for $552,000. Is there is a $290,000 difference in value?

 

 

Here's a mindboggling factoid:  the loss that the seller of the 9.8 TOS 39 took in this auction would by itself almost cover the new sale price of the 9.8 TOS 39 and the TOS 39 OA page.  

[delekkerste]

On 4/11/2024 at 3:15 AM, tth2 said:

Here's a mindboggling factoid:  the loss that the seller of the 9.8 TOS 39 took in this auction would by itself almost cover the new sale price of the 9.8 TOS 39 and the TOS 39 OA page.  

Here's another mindboggling factoid: the reported $2 million sale of the 9.8 TOS #39 was to a middleman, not the consignor. The middleman almost surely flipped it to the consignor for even more.  

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

I'd still take the book over the art every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, it's top census, population 1. 

Edited April 11 by delekkerste

[delekkerste]

On 4/10/2024 at 3:07 PM, BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES said:

I thought the price was in line with other Fury splashes.  This is a bit unusual with the Vietnam setting and the direct reference to date of publication

I picked up Sgt. Fury Annuals #2, 3 and 4 out of the 25 or 50 cent bin as a kid and all three issues are uber-nostalgic for me.

That said, whenever art from these issues has come up for sale (the best being the Ann. #4 cover which hit the auction block in 2022), it's always gone for more than I wanted to pay. Sadly, that was the case too with this Ann. #3 splash. 

BUT...I saw in the auction previews that 4 pages from Annual #3 were upcoming in the Weekly auction that ended last night and that I liked the two battle pages that followed the page 1 splash even more, so, I didn't go overboard on the splash knowing that these other pages were coming up for sale. 

I ended up easily winning both of the panel pages last night (pp. 2-3) plus the page 4 splash for a combined 61% less than where the page #1 splash sold for. So, I'm extremely pleased with that.  

I also won the lot of 9 pages from Sgt. Fury #94, so, in all, I got a 3-page sequence of two awesome twice-up battle pages and a twice-up splash, plus 9 cool pages from another issue for 75% of the cost of the page #1 splash. Again, I'm very, very happy with that result. 

Oh, and it must be said - go look at the page #1 splash and also the pp. 2-3 sequence from Annual #3 that I won last night in the HA archives. Now ask yourself: had D ick Ayers ever actually seen a Vietnamese person before drawing these pages? 

Edited April 11 by delekkerste

[Bronty]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:34 AM, delekkerste said:

Here's another mindboggling factoid: the reported $2 million sale of the 9.8 TOS #39 was to a middleman, not the consignor. The middleman almost surely flipped it to the consignor for even more.  

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

I'd still take the book over the art every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, it's top census, population 1. 

oof

[tth2]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:34 PM, delekkerste said:

Here's another mindboggling factoid: the reported $2 million sale of the 9.8 TOS #39 was to a middleman, not the consignor. The middleman almost surely flipped it to the consignor for even more.  

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

Yikes, this story just keeps getting more and more painful. 

On 4/11/2024 at 7:34 PM, delekkerste said:

I'd still take the book over the art every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, it's top census, population 1. 

So is the page. 

[PhilipB2k17]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:34 AM, delekkerste said:

Here's another mindboggling factoid: the reported $2 million sale of the 9.8 TOS #39 was to a middleman, not the consignor. The middleman almost surely flipped it to the consignor for even more.  

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

I'd still take the book over the art every day of the week and twice on Sunday. At the end of the day, it's top census, population 1. 

Not me. Give me the art. Grades can be manipulated (as it seems like this one was), and another copy might be found in some guy's attic or basement. Aside from that, I just like the art better. It being cheaper is just icing on the cake. I don't see it dropping in price anytime soon. But, clearly the guy who consigned the comic took a bath. On the first point, I don't like anything being "one of one" based wholly on subjective evaluations by people who can have interests, and motivations that may not be pure. Or, for that matter, subject to human fallibility. Who's to say that 8.5 Action #1 was "worse" than the two 9.0's, or the Mile High copy? 

A page of silver age comic art is objectively one of one. It's not subject to human frailty, subjective opinions, greed, or other motivations. 

Edited April 11 by PhilipB2k17

[Dr. Balls]

On 4/11/2024 at 5:34 AM, delekkerste said:

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

[MatterEaterLad]

On 4/11/2024 at 5:34 AM, delekkerste said:

Also, the 9.8 was a 9.4 that was somehow pressed up 2 full notches after others who viewed the book as a 9.4 thought its potential had already been maximized and passed on it.

Do you think that book comes with the paperwork from it's journey from 9.4 to 9.8? I'm sure there's a paper trail, but would that be included in the sale? Seems like it's akin to a multi-million dollar painting that's been cleaned. There's always documentation of where the work was done, the work in progress, by whom, etc. I'd love to know what magician worked on that book.

 

Edited April 11 by MatterEaterLad

[delekkerste]

On 4/11/2024 at 1:28 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Do you think that book comes with the paperwork from it's journey from 9.4 to 9.8? 

I'm sure that it does...not.

[tth2]

On 4/12/2024 at 1:28 AM, MatterEaterLad said:

Do you think that book comes with the paperwork from it's journey from 9.4 to 9.8? I'm sure there's a paper trail, but would that be included in the sale? Seems like it's akin to a multi-million dollar painting that's been cleaned.

This post is so 2004.

[Chip Cataldo]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:26 PM, batman_fan said:

Palmer inks makes everything better 

This is a universal constant like pi or plancks constant

Not John Byrne. Not by a longshot. He ruined Byrne's 1982 Surfer one-shot.

[cstojano]

On 4/11/2024 at 11:19 AM, Chip Cataldo said:

Not John Byrne. Not by a longshot. He ruined Byrne's 1982 Surfer one-shot.

delete, wrong thread

Edited April 11 by cstojano

[grapeape]

On 4/10/2024 at 11:41 AM, PhilipB2k17 said:

Okay, folks. Would you rather have a certified 9.8 copy of TOS 39 that just sold for $840,000, or the TOS 39 page that just sold for $552,000. Is there is a $290,000 difference in value?

 

 

We're all about comic art my friend. Definitely the TOS page!!!

 

[BLUECHIPCOLLECTIBLES]

On 4/11/2024 at 4:43 AM, delekkerste said:

I picked up Sgt. Fury Annuals #2, 3 and 4 out of the 25 or 50 cent bin as a kid and all three issues are uber-nostalgic for me.

That said, whenever art from these issues has come up for sale (the best being the Ann. #4 cover which hit the auction block in 2022), it's always gone for more than I wanted to pay. Sadly, that was the case too with this Ann. #3 splash. 

BUT...I saw in the auction previews that 4 pages from Annual #3 were upcoming in the Weekly auction that ended last night and that I liked the two battle pages that followed the page 1 splash even more, so, I didn't go overboard on the splash knowing that these other pages were coming up for sale. 

I ended up easily winning both of the panel pages last night (pp. 2-3) plus the page 4 splash for a combined 61% less than where the page #1 splash sold for. So, I'm extremely pleased with that.  

I also won the lot of 9 pages from Sgt. Fury #94, so, in all, I got a 3-page sequence of two awesome twice-up battle pages and a twice-up splash, plus 9 cool pages from another issue for 75% of the cost of the page #1 splash. Again, I'm very, very happy with that result. 

Oh, and it must be said - go look at the page #1 splash and also the pp. 2-3 sequence from Annual #3 that I won last night in the HA archives. Now ask yourself: had D ick Ayers ever actually seen a Vietnamese person before drawing these pages? 

I did not know those pages were listed or I might have bid against you