Wayne-Tec

1 minute ago, woowoo said:

only pic I have is in my sig line

How do you see sig lines now?

If you're a "Marvel Zombie", a Timely collector or just a fan in general of the history of comic books, Marvel Comics #1 stands tall as one of the most important books ever published.

It has everything from the birth of the Marvel Universe, multiple first appearances, multiple origins, a classic cover and a storied history as one of the most sought after books in our hobby.

Earlier this month, I acquired my first ever copy. So, let's kick off the start of the "Marvel Comics #1 Club."

34 minutes ago, Jaydogrules said:

Another 8.0 copy of Tec 33 sold for $150k back in March 2017.

Book has been hot going on two years now.  

-J.

Of all of the Pre-Robin Tecs, it could be argued that #33 has, outside of #27, the deepest roots, by far the most historical significance and the greatest logical reason to be coveted.

Classic covers are incredible, undeniably desirable, but the Origin of Batman is one of the most importance stories ever told in comics.

Years ago, both Tec #33 and Tec #38 were dismissed as having had their day. They're back, arguably with more room for growth than the rest.

My 40K+ estimate was close.

Congrats on the sale Adam, congrats on the win Corey.

The pages on this copy are clean and present very well. With the addition of the back cover, this was a really cool set.

I did not realize the Tec #27 on Heritage comes with a back cover. It's heavily damaged but even so, adds a bit of luster. 

Still sitting at 20K with 4 hours to go. Will be interesting to see what happens here.

The Heritage copy is at 20K with just over 15 hours left.

I would be stunned if it sells for under 30K.

Closing in the 40K range sounds about right.

9 hours ago, batman_fan said:

I am going to guess more than I can afford. I will poop my pants if less than $80k and expect significantly higher. 

A 3.0, non-pedigree copy sold in November 2016 for $77,675. I think it's safe to assume that copy would be an 80-90K+ book today.

This 6.0 Twilight copy is already up to $83,000 with over 22 days left at auction.

If a 1.0 Superman #1 is a 110K book, you'd have to think a pedigree 6.0 Marvel #1 would have to be 200-300K book. In my opinion, it's at least 2-3X as desirable as the non-pedigree 3.0 copy that sold last year.

In nearly two decades of grading comic books, CGC has slabbed a whopping 27 blue label Marvel #1's.

If this isn't the top book in the auction, it's 2nd place after the conserved 8.0 Action #1.

1 hour ago, batman_fan said:

I think the best book in the auction is the Twilight Marvel Comics 1 

Any guesses as to what it will go for?

14 minutes ago, bluechip said:

I did not want to dump on the listing but I shake my head every time I see a label that says "classic cover" when the cover is missing or "first appearance of..." when the pages with the first appearance are not in the slab.

That said, if anyone bidding that kind of money doesn't think to ask, or to calculate, what is actually in the slab, then who am I to dissuade them?

I would hope, and imagine, that any serious bidders on that copy 1) read the label and 2) understood it was missing all of the Batman pages.

GLWTS! 

3 hours ago, zen514 said:

Reason being... The cbcs unrestored missing centerfold is on ebay. Its twice as nice. It was at 35k last year but he bumped the price once the Action 1 coverless sold for 66k.

 

I just dont understand the person who bought the 22k one. 12k i undertsand... 22k no batman nor cetnerfold is not ok maybe in a few years but not in todays market. So if this sells for 40k ill buy the one on ebay for 40k 

The Tec #27 with 0% Batman parts reached 22K with multiple bidders (at least two) pushing it that far. It wasn't one person who thought it was worth that much.

Regarding the Tec #27 on eBay, often times collectors need confirmation of similar sales to make them feel comfortable spending $X for a book.

Remember when shortly after the first $1M Action #1 sale (8.0), a 3.0 copy sold for 300K? What would the 3.0 copy have sold for before the $1M sale "justified" Action #1 as an investment of that class?

Throughout the years, great books have remained untouched, available for less until something wakes people up, and they decide they're willing to pay more on Tuesday than the price they scoffed at on Monday.

1 hour ago, zen514 said:

I Agree to agree this time  with you Wayne Tec

It would have been 75k in a CGC Holder

I believe it would be in less than 2 years a 100k copy...

a 0.5 unerestored is 150k imho... 

unrestored is a different beast...

What's so impressive is how quickly these coverless keys are jumping in value. Not that long ago, a coverless Action #1 could be had for 30-40K. Now, FMV is about 2x that. We knew how special Action Comics #1 was 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago...but comic books, especially "grail" books are now viewed in a brighter light.

If you asked most collectors years ago if a coverless book could push 100K, I suspect many would have laughed. Now, we may not be too far off.

9 hours ago, comicdonna said:

Wow.  I sold my 1st wrap to Action #1 nearly 5 years ago for 5 figures.  I bet the price just went up.  I wonder if the two books will ever meet and get married? 

That was a beautiful wrap too. IMO, the single most desirable wrap you could have in this hobby.

9 hours ago, chris6220 said:

I owned that copy of Tec 27 CGC NG that was missing the Bat parts , cover and centerfold, bought it in the last CC auction of 2015, paid 12 K for it, a few weeks after my mom had just passed away, sold it back to CC this summer and used the money to bury my dad who passed a few months ago, glad it found a new home and is being appreciated.

That's awful. So sorry to hear this man. 

1 minute ago, Gotham Kid said:

https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=727870

This book has come a long way in hammer price since it was first offered.

 

No doubt. Still an incredibly cool book to own, in any condition.

But the cover is very clearly a copy and does not possess that true GA look. I've seen much better repo covers.

It has also very clearly, in CAPS, identified itself as absent the front cover, the first 3 wraps (all of the Batman story) and the centerfold.

22K is a testament to the desirability of what is currently, the 2nd most desirable comic book in the world.

5 minutes ago, Gotham Kid said:

I'm going to jump in.

The HA coverless Tec 27 belongs to Adam. He offered it last year on the boards with a 50K price tag. No takers. Well, almost.

It will likely fetch that asking price or thereabouts in less than 5 days.

As I said, 2x as desirable as the copy that sold for 22K. In that ball park.

52 minutes ago, zen514 said:

https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/action-comics-1-dc-1938-cbcs-pr-03-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7139-91002.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

 

There you go. 66k... so if you think that the ha.com missing centerfold and trimmed right to the image and spiral holes... This one is 100k!

I think in a CGC slab, that book could hit 75K today. 

Eventually 100K. Time will tell.

33 minutes ago, zen514 said:

You just said it. The bidders decide...

That includes me and not you. No disrespect but action 1 brittle pages witb superman and non superman with cream to off white not close to a  tec 27 missing all the bats and cf that sold in a bidding war and it had a facsimile cover( graded ling time ago by cgc and they dont allow that anymore) it presented well in holder with that fake cover.

Your so called logic is flawed. Your not a bidder... you didnt even know that there was a action 1 coverles that sold at heritage.

Instead of saying that a REAL bidder (me) has a flawed logic why dont you listen to a true source.

20k bidders of incomplete coverless ( the tec27 incompleteof this thread)are not the same as you with pages.... You have no say in the bidding just your sayings.

woowo and are potential bidders and we say 20-25k

chicago boy also

I believe in keeping the tone respectful and positive. I never said that your logic was flawed, I simply expressed the following:

Brittle Superman Action #1 pages vs. better PQ non-Superman Action #1 pages makes for a similar comparison to...

SLB/trimmed Tec #27 with 100% of the Batman story vs. CR/OW Tec #27 comprised of 0% of the Batman story.

If you feel the comparison is "not close" than we will have to respectfully agree to disagree. I did know of the Heritage sale but did not remember the final price it sold for, thank you for posting the link for reference. I never claimed to have a say in the bidding, simply shared my opinion and reasoning.

6 minutes ago, zen514 said:

so 25k max for a coverless missing centerfold trimmed to hell and in spiral copy in novemeber 2017

Lets the people who are actually bidding on these chime in.

Im putting max 25k someone wants it more... i dont care.  

Wayn tec. If you bidding on this and want to bid 40k by all means go ahead you would be foolish. 25k tops...

1) I'm not bidding on it.

2) You don't need to bid on an item to have an opinion.

I'm very familiar with coverless GA mega key parts, so I'm expressing my opinion and reasoning behind it.

IMO, a SB/trimmed copy with 100% of the Batman parts is 2x as desirable as a CR/OW copy with 0% of the Batman parts. The closest point of comparison is past sales of brittle Superman Action #1 pages vs. better PQ non-Superman Action #1 pages.

In the end, the bidders decide.

4 minutes ago, zen514 said:

heritage sold one for 67k last year... in august. complete action 1.... 

 

 

if you have a 0.5 or can lead me to one. Ill pay 100k  and a 5k finder fees 

unrestored tec 27 or action 1

 

even if its missing the back cover.

 

as long as front cover is nice and pq is not brittle or slightly brittle.

 

 

This is for anyone not just for wayne tec. Any one who can help. Thanks!

Link to the Heritage sale?

9 minutes ago, zen514 said:

Action comics 1 and tec27 cream to offwhite complete coverles copies are in this club. Next time one comes up for sale in private, buy it now or even more in auction. 

I don't think we're there, yet.

I could see 50-60K for a well-presenting, complete, unrestored Action #1/Tec #27.

5 minutes ago, zen514 said:

Perhaps.. i do consider action 1 and tec27 in there own league. Superman 1 as somewhat distant 3rd

 

 

Still think bidding frenzy had an effect on it since there was a beatiful off white to white Action 1 that sold august 2016 missing just the The first wrap! It had 6 superman pages amd the centerfold!!! Unrestored CGC blue label that was a year and a few months ago

 

With that logic that would be an 80k book amd the voldemort  opy that sold last summer at heritage  off white copy complete amd presented great excpet for rusty staples of action 1 sold for 67k.. that would be 100k++???

 

so  a complete unrestored tec27 or action 1 would be the 0.5 100k club?

 

Complete unrestored Action #1 is a 100K+ book in late 2017. I think the same would probably be the case for Tec #27. 

So much has changed over the past 2 years.

1 hour ago, woowoo said:

I think the Batman story is 7 pages so 7 x's the animal.

In all of my years collecting coverless/wraps/pages, I've seen a total of 0 CGC slabbed Batman pages from Tec #27. I've seen Superman slabbed pages from multiple copies of Action #1.

There are only 3 individual Batman pages (double sided), but I could easily see them selling for 7-10K each. Forget slightly brittle, BRITTLE Superman Action #1 pages have sold in that range, if not more.

14 minutes ago, zen514 said:

Yes. i found it mislwading since it was a blue label cgc with a photocpy cover in the holder so all you see is the tec27 cover. I was  lt a bidder i found it was worth 10-12k not 22k. bidding war frenzy imho.

For books at the top: Action #1, Tec #27, I believe collectors are tired of having to pay 2x, 3x as much just a few years later to get the same copy. 22K was strong, but even with 0% Batman it's still a Tec #27.

A copy with 100% of the Batman parts is a completely different animal.

2 minutes ago, woowoo said:

This was a book I was going to bid on but when it went over 20k and I have a copy already I said no.  I would pay the 30 now

https://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=500920

That was over 4 years ago. If it was a 30K book then, it would be a lot more today.