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On 9/15/2022 at 7:58 AM, Lee B. said:
I am reluctant to play "flip thread police", but I think that cloud cloddie's recent offering probably falls under the heading of "provenance info" (hey, the New Mutants page has bounced around a bit over the past year+) rather than a "flip" of which potential buyers should be aware.
I will totally agree my last post was mostly provenance info. Not a classic flip, but I feel tangential to the overall conversation of quickly recycled art.
On 9/9/2022 at 8:10 PM, cloud cloddie said:I think it’s beneficial to know when art moves from dealer to dealer, regardless of the price difference.
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On 9/12/2022 at 5:21 PM, Will_K said:
1) If there's a piece that I absolutely know will generate a lot of comments... and I see that piece soon enough that I'd be an early commenter... I'm more likely to comment.
But if I'm late to the party, I'm less likely to comment. Basically, I doubt that I can add any observations or commentary. No need for me to be the 1000th person to say it's a great piece.
2) I look at older pieces in a CAF gallery (especially if I discover a new gallery). I'll add a comment... whenever
3) I'm sure there are lots of older pieces that get lots of views but not a proportionate amount of comments.
Basically, "Jim Lee" might searched constantly but that may not generate a constant stream of comments.
Look at CAF's most searched terms:
https://www.comicartfans.com/popular-searches.asp
Which has some useful stats. And as of this writing, "Dean Yeagle" shows up in all 4 stats. Nice pinup but is there a "Please share your Dean Yeagle art" topic in this forum ??
What happened in the last 24 hours to make ‘nude’ make the list?
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On 9/11/2022 at 4:04 PM, KirbyCollector said:
Was definitely consistent with other results this year, with a dash of inflation added in... FMV for Bill's non-Demon Bear art from NM seems pretty stable right now
That one went a bit higher than I was expecting. The similar page right after had been shopped around for 10k the last year or so, then dropped to 8500 last month. Maybe auction fomo played a part.
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On 9/9/2022 at 8:13 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:
This went to a collector in between-
So it’s two even smaller flips? Great! Lemme know if you know how much the seller got from Anthony, and I’ll update my post.
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On 9/9/2022 at 6:24 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:
How is that a flip? Over that time period 500 increase sounds like a modest amount in the mutant art world
I think it’s beneficial to know when art moves from dealer to dealer, regardless of the price difference.
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On 9/9/2022 at 3:05 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:
I am about as big of an X-men fan around… but anyway I look At this my brain can not fathom the results…
Higher than I thought it would go, but not necessarily surprised. Popular crossover event, early Cable appearance, wolverine and Jean drama, and basically direct from the artist.
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New Mutants 44 pg 17. Offered at Romitaman in March 2021 for 1500. Now available at Anthony’s for 2000.
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On 9/4/2022 at 9:08 AM, Humpty-Dumpty said:
The serious weakening of the economy won't eventually affect a sizable number of collectors? When that occurs, won't we experience a sell off?
If anything, I’d think it would do the opposite and there’d be a selling freeze instead of a sell off. I could be wrong, but it seems like most collectors with substantial collections are relatively insulated against economic downturns. They can afford to just enjoy their art and wait it out.
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On 9/2/2022 at 4:07 AM, New School Fool said:
I do think collectors that don't immediately sell/flip get a raw deal though....Maybe this will encourage us all to become long term holders?
The main reason modern prices are high is because of sellers/flippers. How many times is an artist supposed to watch pages resell shortly after for 2-3 times the price? I’ve never dealt with @Nexus and I probably won’t, because I think the modern prices are nuts. But he’s doing a baller job with his artists, so props to him. I’ve read countless stories on this board about collectors ‘overpaying’ for pieces 20, 30, 40 years back, but they loved the piece. And a lot of those same people have an awesome retirement plan for buying what they loved.
I understand a lot of your previous arguments, and with the money going into this ‘hobby’, it’s impossible not to consider what you’re buying as investments. But OA isn’t crypto, and if you’re looking at OA as investment, it should be long term, not short. I know I cherry picked your quote, but bemoaning reps and artists for not leaving meat to accommodate immediate resellers is naive. -
On 8/27/2022 at 5:35 PM, Will_K said:
Byrne definitely changed from the beginning of his FF run (pencils / inks / writing) to the end (pencils / writing). But he's looking pretty darn good in his X-Men: Elsewhen series (pencils only) on byrnerobotics.com . Pretty good for "fan fiction", apparently Marvel won't publish it.
Didn’t he just decide he was done with Elsewhen?
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On 8/16/2022 at 1:53 AM, drdonaldblake1 said:
Would this alteration of OA be analogous to restoration on comics??
Definitely not. There are valid reasons to restore an original art piece - foxing, water damage, etc… Affixing new stats directly to artwork, amateur ink touch up and other things documented in different threads, seems to be done solely to gussy up a piece for higher resale. It’s their art, and they can do what they will with it, whether I agree or not. But doing these things and not disclosing it… not acceptable IMO.
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On 8/15/2022 at 1:46 PM, drdonaldblake1 said:
What? Really......it was just listed in New Art.
They relist stuff all the time as ‘new’. But to be fair, most dealers do that.
Most dealers to not alter art, tho, like coollines. Those stats look suspect, and there’s no telling with them if it’s overlays or attached to the art - until you make a very one sided deal and have the art in hand when they get around to shipping it. Then good luck if anything is not described correctly with the art. -
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On 8/5/2022 at 10:55 AM, grapeape said:I hope you guys can see it ok. I can.
I see it fine, although not sure that’s a good thing. I think I was happy not having that in my memory bank…
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On 7/30/2022 at 4:02 AM, Rick2you2 said:His comment on what I gather was a DD page didn’t belong in the marketplace, but we regularly skewer prices in the flipping thread, as well as Los Bros. Frankly, I would like to see a lot more of that here so people can get a better understanding (where possible) of pricing. There are a few pages which came up recently for $1500 each, and which I think are worth less than half that. If someone doesn’t mind risk losing them to a different buyer, why not post and attack? Or what of dealers who are apparently trying to push the price point of their clients (or at least serving their client’s whims)?
Obviously I have no problem bringing attention to the crazy prices in this market. I love the flip thread. But calling it out in somebody’s sales thread is not the place to do it. It’s against forum rules, but also just kinda a d**k move.
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On 7/29/2022 at 2:09 PM, Race said:
Regarding the art in question, I pointed out -- using the most recent HA sale of a superior page from the same issue -- that yours was priced rather above what I consider FMV. I even stated I liked the page, but unfortunately your choice of language in a response led to both my and your comments being deleted.
Your comment probably got deleted because it’s against the marketplace rules.
Buyers may not post in a way that hurts a sellers chance of a sale, or discredits their reputation. A few examples would be saying this book is priced too high, or a cheaper copy can be found at xxxxx. Another example would be, I don't like this person, and would never buy from him/her. There may be a few exceptions for known scammers. We can tell the difference between a joke and a rude or unnecessary comment. A decision either way will be at the discretion of the moderator. Violation of this rule will result in points added to your account, and possibly restricting your ability to post on the forum. -
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On 7/29/2022 at 9:45 AM, RBerman said:I'm impressed with the variety of ways Marcus finds to talk about a piece. It's no easy feat, and preferable to just "Nice art." Not that I mind when people say that about my postings on CAF!
I second that. It’s quite a skill to come up with that many ways to talk about a piece. And I think it’s great he comments on all sorts of pieces, and not just the $50K covers like so many others.
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On 7/28/2022 at 8:48 PM, Xatari said:
Overall, I have a feeling people saw big dollar signs and tried to get choice pieces into the last two auctions. With the current economic state, art collectors are smart to hold. However, I think we will see another surge in prices as the economy stabilizes and people adjust to current climate. Lack of supply leads to pent up demand…
For my tastes, nobody’s holding. This auction has the most stuff I’ve been interested in in a while.
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On 7/28/2022 at 12:59 PM, lobrac said:
https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1839820
(and almost everything else this guy posts for sale)
Historic is a stretch on that one, but not as egregious as other first appearance pages I’ve seen come up.
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About 7 years ago I posted on here about fedex delivering several HA auctions to the wrong house. Another boardie suggested Postal Annex or something comparable, and was surprised so many people don’t do that with the prices we’re paying for art. And now I have the same opinion. Pay about 200 bucks a year at postal annex, and have not had a delivery issue since - they sign and hold onto the package til I can pick it up, and send me an email when it’s there. I’ll gladly keep paying that 200 to not deal with the stress y’all do.
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On 7/17/2022 at 1:47 PM, grapeape said:
You have to hand it to them. In a 2 year period with blistering, streaking prices, where money seemingly was no object, a vast majority of Los Hermanos inventory went largely untouched.
I mean, hard to know for sure til you see the art somewhere else, since they never remove anything. When the market was normal, their prices were crazy. Now that the market’s crazy, their prices are medication levels of insane. Not surprised their inventory remains seemingly stagnant, but with how long ago they got their art + their practices, it’s not like they have to sell a lot to keep their ‘business’ and the tax incentives associated.
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On 7/14/2022 at 10:22 PM, ExNihilo said:
At the risk of creating competition (
), Chrissie Zullo. She commented in one of her Instagram posts that there would be limited spots and different options available at her table. To the best of my knowledge, her commission list has been closed for a while except for limited spots she makes available at some cons.
Gotcha. Best of luck, and if SDCC doesn’t work out, one of the smaller cons might.
), Chrissie Zullo. She commented in one of her Instagram posts that there would be limited spots and different options available at her table. To the best of my knowledge, her commission list has been closed for a while except for limited spots she makes available at some cons.
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I don’t know about ‘most’. I’d think people regularly dropping 10k+ on pieces have more revenue streams than just the stock market. Prices didn’t drop or flatten at the start of the pandemic when the market tanked, and I don’t see it happening now. If anything, people caught flat footed two years ago should be much better prepared this go round with the amount of warning everyone’s had. But who knows. I think it’s more likely that all this prime material that’s been seeing light will slow - so even if there’s less funds for purchases, it’ll at best be a wash with less supply. I’d love to be wrong tho and get more for my money.