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DC Pence Price Variants Hello Pence Friends! Since documenting the Marvel Pence Variants here: ...I’ve been compiling the same for their DC cousins. Currently, I have documented a whopping 838 DC comics with pence only printed prices. These are cover dated: July 1971 - the cover date of the first known single 5p price printed comics (only 4 titles – see below) and between the cover dates of: February 1978 – the start of the continuing pence copy run and September 1981 – the last cover date month before consistent dual pence/cents pricing commenced (a nice easy tie off, effectively ending the existence of pence only priced variants). They are documented on a spreadsheet that looks like this...... .....and I have scans / images of every comic saved in folders like this: ....with individual comic scans captured like this: As with my Marvel research, I have stuck to standard comic sizes, hence these exclusions: If you are interested in DC pence variants, here are some observations: 1. The first pence only printed DC comics found are Action Comics #402, Adventure Comics #408, Detective comics #413 and Jimmy Olsen #139 all cover dated July 1971. No pence printed issues dated prior to this date have been found to exist, nor after this date (until we hit February 1978). July 1971 is the final US 15c regular cover price date, which may have a bearing on why it was chosen. I have found no explanation for why only 4 of the available 31 titles cover dated July 1971 were chosen, or indeed why those particular 4 titles were chosen. Here they are: 2. We have to jump forward 8 years before pence only printed copies recommence in full from the cover date February 1978. I have found no copies dated prior to this date. Not all titles commence at February 1978 – many commence on March 1978 holding out the possibility that some February 1978 copies may yet still exist / be found. But I’ve been looking a long time…. 3. The last pence only printed DC comics are cover dated September 1981. From October 1981, DC introduced dual cents / pence pricing for all their titles. Marvel did the same 3 months later (December 1981) 4. 85 titles exist with cover dates crossing July 1971 and February 1978 through to September 1981. Of those 85, 31 titles appear to have no pence copies (lists below) 5. For monthly titles only, no pence copies have been found for comics cover dated September 1978 to November 1978 inclusive. All monthly titles which cross these dates have a 3 issue gap. This gap coincides with, and is likely explained by, the increase and subsequent decrease in the US cover prices (35c to 50c September 1978 / 50c to 40c December 1978). For bi-monthly titles, September 1978 dated issues exist, but no pence issues exist for the following two months. 6. Only three prices exist for DC pence comics – 5p (July 1971), 12p (February 1978 to August 1979) and 15p (September 1979 to September 1981). Unlike Marvel, who would raise the cover price where applicable, DC would not produce a pence copy if the issue was double sized / the US price increased. As an example, Detective Comics #500 was a double sized issue. Rather than increase the price from 15p DC simply omitted the issue from pence production. This pattern is absolute – there are no double sized DC pence issues, and any one-off deviation in the US price would mean no pence copy (hard on UK collectors!) 7. No annuals have been found as pence only printed copies, presumably for the same reason that double sized / non-standard priced copies were not 8. Unlike Marvel, DC pence copies are distinguished by the pence price alone. No other changes are made (e.g. removing the cover date, additional indicia distribution data, different cover banners) For my Marvel pence research, I produced a ‘missing list’ of issues which I believe should have pence copies. They are mostly the obscure early titles (Gunsmoke Western etc.) and those following that thread will see that I update the numbers when I find a new example. I do not believe there are any missing DC issues to find, given the significantly smaller date window and the concrete patterns. That said, I am always happy to be proven wrong if it means finding a new pence copy, so here is the full list of numbers which I believe represent the full 838 issue range: Titles With Pence Copies Action Comics: 402, 480-486, 490-499, 501-523 Adventure Comics: 408, 456-458, 473-485 All-Star Comics: 71-73 All-Star Squadron: 1 Aquaman: 60-63 Arak Son of Thunder: 1 Batman: 297-299, 301-302, 306-339 Black Lightning: 7-10 Brave and the Bold: 140-142, 145-178 Challengers of the Unknown: 85-87 Claw the Unconquered: 10-12 DC Comics Presents: 1, 4-37 Detective Comics: 413, 475-478, 496-499, 501-506 Doorway to Nightmare: 2-4 Firestorm the Nuclear Man: 1-4 Flash: 259-264, 268-299, 301 Freedom Fighters: 13-15 Ghosts: 62-67, 71-104 Green Lantern: 101-107, 111-144 House of Mystery: 263-296 House of Secrets: 151-153 Jonah Hex: 10-15 Justice League of America: 161-194 Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth: 56-58 Karate Kid: 13-15 Krypton Chronicles: 1 Legion of Super-Heroes: 259-279 Men of War: 11-26 Mister Miracle: 23-25 Mystery in Space: 111-117 New Adventures of Superboy: 1-21 New Gods: 17-19 New Teen Titans: 1-11 Secret Society of Super-Villains: 13-15 Secrets of Haunted House: 11-13, 17-40 Secrets of the Legion of Super-Heroes: 1-3 Sgt. Rock: 323-356 Shade the Changing Man: 6-8 Shazam!: 34-35 Showcase: 97, 101-103 Star Hunters: 3-6 Steel the Indestructible Man: 1-4 Super Friends: 10-13, 15-47 Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes: 246-258 Superman: 321-326, 330-363 Superman’s Pal Jimmy Olsen: 139 Tales of the Green Lantern Corps: 1-3 Unexpected: 183-186, 200-214 Unknown Soldier: 222-255 Untold Legends of the Batman: 1-3 Weird War Tales: 70-103 Weird Western Tales: 45-47, 50-70 Witching Hour: 77-83 Wonder Woman: 240-246, 250-283 If anyone reading has a pence version not on the list above, do let me know - I'll update this thread if and when I find any new ones, or if anyone wants to talk pence related stuff. Here is the list of titles with no pence copies found – again, if you have one, let me know: I'll end with full scans of all four July 1971 issues which I purchased to check the indicias etc: Aren't they pretty The cover prices are the only change - no differences internally or additions to the indicias: Cheers!

OK, I've experienced it for, admittedly, a short period and I hate it. It is much more irksome than I imagined it would be and I completely underestimated how many times I would need to use the expand function. It was a worthwhile test, but you can switch me to the "turn it back off please" camp too.

OK, thanks. I had to look up what SEO stood for, but I get the reason, not enough juice in the engine. Shame, as it shows would be new members that we talk about more than just comics. Nevermind.

Come off it.

No good deed goes unpunished Jay! Great competition and some excellent prizes. Well done mate. I'll get studying....

"Saaaay, has one of you old timers farted in my cab?" "Certainly not! How dare you! Clarence, speak to the driver!" "Poooor, Mum that stinks!" "Careful Peter, you'll knock your Mothers new hat off!" "You call, that a hat Mister? It looks more like a lamp shade! I'm thinking now it was your old lady that floated the air biscuit in my cab!" "Oh, Dave!" "You're sure gonna regret saying that buster! When I get my hands on you I'll - HOLY SWEET MOTHER OF ****, WHAT'S THAT OUT THE WINDOW!"

"Hmmm. I can't see her staying with him."

They actually do that to mark territory, and it's usually an aggressive mark. As in, they will lock eyes on you & maintain eye contact while flinging the poo with their tail. That's a sign you are far too close to one of these dangerous beasts. *themoreyouknow.jif* It just seemed appropriate to the thread Slym. Big beasts who are full of it and like to throw it around

"IT'S--HIM!! HE KNOWS I'M HERE!" "NOT UNDER THERE..." "HE'LL NEVER STOP TILL HE FINDS ME!" "....NOT THERE EITHER..." "HE SEES ME--OH NO! NO!!" "FOUND YOU! HA HA, HA! YOUR TURN!"

"Groove is in the heaaaart, yay-yay-yay-yeah"

"THE DOOR THAT WOULDN'T OPEN!" "HAD A BIG HOLE IN IT." "THAT YOU COULD LEAN THROUGH." "TO OPEN IT....." "We haven't thought this one through have we Barry?"

I fought Colossus and Co-lossus won, I fought Colossus and Co-lossus won!

Agreed. I get what you're saying there Roy. The trouble with this one is that neither option is an obvious front runner as both come with pros and cons. My thinking was that if I read a thread from the top, I've already read any post that is subsequently quoted. So if I only see the first few lines, which show me who is being responded to, I can then read the next persons post more easily without having to scroll past the full duplicated quote. If someone started a thread with a long post, and there were 10 replies, half of which quoted the first long post, there's a lot to scroll through and dodge. So a reduction would help. Where people post, say, five pictures of their CGC books in one post, and someone quotes "cool books Barry!" it's a pain to have to see all five again. And again. And again (etc.) On the flip, if I join a thread late, and work backwards (which I'm sure we all do?), not seeing the quotes in full could be irksome. So it's a straight toss up between two scenarios which I'm sure for both I would find a reason to be annoyed, depending on the reading situation at the time. On balance, I think less is more, and would prefer a less cluttered thread with less scrolling of duplication to an occasional need to expand a quote. But it's hard to know for sure without experiencing it. I asked about the impact on pictures earlier and got a response which Kav at least thought was sarcastic. I was reading the opening post on my phone, couldn't really see the 'Martin' picture reduction example and didn't see pictures mentioned in the thread title or supporting wording. I would guess most people will miss the chance to vote for this change as it has only been posted in Comics General. Maybe an announcement or a post in the 'Change Requests and Voting' section would extend the audience.

Mebbe.

Only if you're Chuck Norris.

Heroes Convention Charlotte?

It certainly knocks Seasoned Veteran into a cocked hat.

Got ya, sorry, I didn't get that straight away. Good idea in my view

Did you just fall over Kav?

Will quotes with pictures be affected?

I feel a bit sorry for them. Whatever the merits, they've put so much work into it. In the 6500 thread I think I can see young feet in superman pyjamas in the first few photos, so it may be a young kid who just needs a little friendly guidance. I'll drop them a line and see if I can give them a few pointers.

Thanks for taking the time to share all these lovely pictures Ryan. It looks like a really interesting day out you had there. I'm feeling a particular affinity with Boerke right now.... it must be the cow picture a few posts back And is that you Smurfing in the reflection there?

What I always intended to Chokie!

I feel that is why most people were upset with his posts I don't think that's true, or fair. I've created and contributed to a good many threads with comic related content.