PROBATION DISCUSSIONS 21 21

[jaybuck43]

12/20 (I was in the hospital when it was going down )

[NTHstars]

He offered me the book by pm 12-19 at 10 p.m. I politely declined. Within a day or two it was posted for the boards as a whole.

 

Of course, as usual, there's a detail that confuses things.

 

The offer was for "Incredible Hulk 181 CGC 9.0 OW/W Pages"

 

Not sure why the page quality was different. Could've just been an oversight.

[Jimmy Linguini]

Hustruck started tagging me on instagram saying I hadn't heard the entire story and was too fast to come to a judgement.

 

I told him that wasn't true and he blocked me.

 

Can we stop talking about this already?

[MetalPSI]

This guy has had a shady history almost since day 1. He's been nominated for the PL more than once ( please correct me if I'm wrong ). Motive and intent? Obviously he's trying to use the boards to make money..not a crime as I can name a dozen people off the top of my head who do the same and they don't give a squirt about the "community". The issues are with the stream of lies and deceptions...it's ridiculous. Maybe he doesn't belong in the HoS by the letter of the "law", but the eyeball test has HoS written all over this guy.

 

Holy mess I agree with that

 

 

You're still a flipper though

[MetalPSI]

This guy has had a shady history almost since day 1. He's been nominated for the PL more than once ( please correct me if I'm wrong ). Motive and intent? Obviously he's trying to use the boards to make money..not a crime as I can name a dozen people off the top of my head who do the same and they don't give a squirt about the "community". The issues are with the stream of lies and deceptions...it's ridiculous. Maybe he doesn't belong in the HoS by the letter of the "law", but the eyeball test has HoS written all over this guy.

 

It really is this simple.

 

Leave it to a bunch of comic nerds to circle jerk to death all the various nuances of each and every post and excuse and reason.

 

You guys kill me. Common sense + eyeball/sniff test = HOS.

 

This is why I respect you

[MetalPSI]

I voted yes for HOS in the original poll. It came from a place of not liking to see a boardie messed with.

 

After Hector brought up the Red Rocks incident I'm second guessing what is PL or HOS worthy at this point. Yes Hustruck tried a scam but at the end of the day no one is out money here on the boards. Same as with the DT/RR/Beige incident. I probably wouldn't vote HOS on either now.

 

If someone bought something here and mailed a brick to a buyer or tried to pull a chargeback on a seller after receiving an item I would definitely vote yes on HOS.

 

 

 

 

But why put up with people like that? It makes it seem like his only crime was getting caught.

 

Nobody should put up with it. I'm just basing my decision on the HOS process as it is now. Pages upon pages of all this back and forth shows that it is flawed. I personally believe that his transgression was worse than the Red Rocks incident. Hustruck openly tried to deceive the community whereas Red Rocks' crime was flipping.

 

I think polls should be open instead of hidden as well (board ids) - this would help stop any favoritism.

 

I disagree completely...and this is why

 

 

The majority of people here want HOS. The problem is there are a few respected long time members here who don't want him in the HOS which is causing the hold up.

 

I really was unhappy when the poll was pulled. Stuff like that should not happen. EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. If the poll got pulled because a few people spoke up about it, won't that influence voting, too?

 

Talking should take place before and after and the polls should be blind, no one should see the results till it's too late to influence people...and I firmly believe they should be in CG, not here.

 

There are a lot more members than just the people who post on this thread.

 

Thanks for making this statement

[MetalPSI]

Hustruck started tagging me on instagram saying I hadn't heard the entire story and was too fast to come to a judgement.

 

I told him that wasn't true and he blocked me.

 

Can we stop talking about this already?

 

Still self absorbed, but I agree about stop talking about it already. Let's get a poll up and be done with it

[Semicentennial]

Started having flashback after reading yet another "worst store" thread so I reread his original wordpress post. Doesn't seem like he has changed any since that original post.

[Wall-Crawler]

Hustruck started tagging me on instagram saying I hadn't heard the entire story and was too fast to come to a judgement.

 

I told him that wasn't true and he blocked me.

 

Can we stop talking about this already?

 

Is there a boardie Instagram list or something? How would this guy even find people to do this?

 

[Sqeggs]

Just read 40 odd pages of entertaining back and forth. Did Branget delete all his recent posts? Seems pointless given most (all?) of them appear in other people's quotes.

 

So, where's the new poll?

[awakeintheashes]

Just read 40 odd pages of entertaining back and forth. Did Branget delete all his recent posts? Seems pointless given most (all?) of them appear in other people's quotes.

 

So, where's the new poll?

it looks that way. That, or he's practicing some voodoo to erase all our minds of his position on this matter.

[Griff]

no poll yet Sqeggs, seemslike even though anyone can make the poll nobody has

[MetalPSI]

Just read 40 odd pages of entertaining back and forth. Did Branget delete all his recent posts? Seems pointless given most (all?) of them appear in other people's quotes.

 

So, where's the new poll?

 

It's a Branget thing. Like how Kav is all about quantity and I am all about nonsense, Bragnet deletes random posts. It's like wearing sunglasses at night.

[NTHstars]

Somebody will make the poll. Im guessing people are temporarily burned out thinking about this.

[MetalPSI]

Somebody will make the poll. Im guessing people are temporarily burned out thinking about this.

 

I would make it but....

 

1) I am lazy

2) I am in the camp that the lists don't do much anyway

3) Have I mentioned I am lazy?

4) There is no four

5)

[HarveySwick]

The poll is being worked on. Patience please.

[jaybuck43]

I've now updated the timeline with new information and and overlay with dates/times from 4comix's communication with Hustruck/CGCboy.

 

On 12/07/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy wins an eBay auction for a hulk 181 CGC 9.0 Cr/OW for $2177.68.

 

On 12/XX/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy attempted to pay the eBay seller for the book. He was, for whatever reason, unable to complete said transaction.

 

On 12/XX/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy suggested using Skrill to complete the transaction. The eBay seller, having read reviews on Skrill did not feel confident in using that service and declined (as was his right, as his listing called for payment via Paypal, credit card through Paypal, or Paypal Credit)

 

On 12/XX/2013 Hustruck/CGCboy sent an e-check through paypal but it was immediately canceled.

 

On 12/XX/2014 Kevin Hull sent a paypal payment in the amount of $2177.68 to the seller. The payment made no mention of the Hulk 181, or Hassan. As such, the seller refunded the money. The seller stated (and the addresses I have corroborate) that the address on the Paypal receipt for payment did not match Hassan's address nor did it match the inevitable ship to address.

 

On 12/XX/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy sent a paper check to the seller. The seller took it to his bank to cash but his bank refused the check because it was signed only with Hassan's initials. The check was returned to Hassan uncashed.

 

On 12/19/2014 Hustruck PM's NTHstars and offers to sell him an Incredible Hulk 181 CGC 9.0 OW/W pages NTHStars declines.

 

On 12/20/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy lists the Hulk 181 on the boards, obscuring the label. It comes to light that the book was simultaneously listed for sale on instagram. The instagram thread, where the book had been listed for some time, was deleted. 4Comix PMs Hassan and agrees to buy the book for $1850 shipped.

 

1 hour later (still 12/20/2014) Hustruck/CGCboy texts 4comix and 4comix informs him that he has given the money to a third party and can get it to Hassan whenever he wants it. Hassan responds "I'll let you know when I'm ready ok"

 

At some time while this was going on Hustruck/CGCboy requested that the item be sent "as a present" to Evan Wolberg. At no time was the address of Mr. Wolberg matching to either Hassan's or any other person who attempted to pay for this item.

 

By 12/26/2014 Seller canceled the sale and relisted (and sold) the book. At no time prior to the resale had the book left his possession.

 

12/30/2014 4comix texts Hustruck/CGCboy and asks if there was an update on the book (a reasonable request, he had agreed to purchase it 10 days prior) to whit Hassan replied "I told you I'm having some issues right now" "Bare(sic) with me" 4comix responds immediately inquiring if it is personal problems or an issue with the book. He offers to pay extra and paypal it rather than pay cash. Hassan replies "with the book"

 

Still on 12/30/2014 Hustruck/CGCboy responds "Case was cracked when I got it, I sent it back to the seller for a refund I just got a refund from the seller So unfortunately I no longer have the book for sale because I wasn't gonna wait 2 months for a reholder"

 

Still on 12/30/2014 4comix responds with a very upset response, he is angry that he stood up for Hustruck/CGCboy and defended him when people called him a scammer etc. He wants to know what the hell regarding the book. He wants a yes or no answer on whether he was getting the book. Hassan responded with the following "Yea I just finished paying off the book a few weeks ago Then I needed money shortly after So I threw it.up (sic) for sale since I had paid for it and would be getting it soon." At this point he is NOW stating that he did not have the book in hand.

 

Just a minute or so later 4comix replies saying he is basically pissed and explaining this is not the right way to do business and he will not be doing business with him again and has no trust. Hustruck/CGCboy followed that message up with "I was gonna get it resealed but that would take a very long time knowing CGC So the best thing I could think of was to just return it for a refund I'm not feeding you a story bro I can show you the pictures You of all people should know the last thing I want is to look shady to do bad business I needed money right now so why would I not sell the book unless I couldnt(sic)? I didn't take your money and try to play u(sic) I am being 100% honest with u(sic)" "sit tight and I'll upload the picture via text message" and then 2 minutes later the now proven to be fake picture.

 

This entire conversation takes place 4 days after the book had already been relisted and Hustruck/CGCboy knew he did not have the book. The conversation was initiated by 4comix because he was not getting an update as to when the deal would be completed. Any stories about cracked cases are purely fabricated as the case was fully intact at the time it was mailed to the new purchaser.

[MetalPSI]

I dunno what (sic) means(sic)

[Iceman399]

My last reholder took 5 days (Jan 7 to Jan 12) just saying.

[jaybuck43]

I dunno what (sic) means(sic)

 

Sic is short for sic erat scriptum, a latin proverb which means "Thus was it written" meaning that the spelling/grammar mistake was written by the author and not a mistype by me