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[Bio-Rupp]

If this is were we're going to set the bar for a successfully completed transaction then the Probation list is going to become about as worthless as the Kudos thread.

Again, let me stress that I agree that this whole thing reeks. However, at the risk of beating a dead horse, let me again point out that under the current regime, "we" don't set the bar for a successfully completed transaction - the parties directly involved in the transaction set that bar. Based on the last word from the parties directly involved in the transaction, the transaction seems completed. Now, it seems that an amendment might be under consideration to change this...

 

I understand. And I agree that as the rules stand now, ultimately it's up to Jo Seph whether he wants to take it any further. We as the community really can't force anything to happen.

 

I think my concern is that I didn't want Jo Seph to feel obligated to accept this resolution. It sounded to me (and it's just my impression, I could have misread it) that some were saying that this was an acceptable resolution and he should be happy with it.

 

I mean, I get it. Is some money better than no money? Yes.

 

Is this a satisfactory outcome? In my opinion no.

 

Should Jo Seph be happy with this outcome? I wouldn't be but that's me.

 

I just didn't want Jo Seph to somehow feel pressured by the community to accept this outcome. My expressions about how I think this should be resolved wasn't about getting the community to force the issue but rather that if he wanted to pursue it we as the community would back him up. As things stand now, it's better than nothing. But it's definitely not satisfactory and Jo Seph is entitled to more should he decide to pursue it.

 

You are correct in the Jo Seph shouldn't be out a single dime.

 

That's a given... and he should pursue that dime.

[Sqeggs]

Maybe we need to add a new category...*** special mention***

 

 

Does not fit the regular probation thread, and not yet horrid enough for the HOS.

 

Kind of like that wrist slap thingy that Arch invented?

I think I'm joking, but I'm not really quite sure

 

Actually, this is a good point and related to the one that was discussed a week or so ago with respect to converting the kudos thread to a feedback thread.

 

Right now, we have two alternatives: Great transaction results in post to kudos thread. Somebody gets screwed results in someone being placed on the probation list. There is nothing in between to cover the cases, like this one, where a seller behaves badly but in the end kinda, sorta made things almost right.

 

If the point of all this is to help people feel good about participating in sales threads, we do need some way of indicating that a seller or buyer has misbehaved even if the misbehavior isn't quite probation worthy.

 

The obvious way to accomplish this goal is by having feedback threads rather than just kudos threads. But last time that suggestion was raised it didn't garner much support.

[Sqeggs]

 

I feel this transaction was brought into the public eye and rightly so... and I do feel that whatever happened on LongDillion's end is scratchy at best.

 

That said, he is attempting to right the wrong that he has originated. Weather it be because of his reasoning that he explained to the board or just because of the fact he got caught.

 

The mere fact that he is TRYING should show that he at least wants to make it right.

 

With a WU payment... its really not like he had to either.

 

LongDillion could have taken the money and the book and ran. There is always eBay or any comic shop in his area where he could have sold this book. But he didn't. He came back on here and took the full brunt of the masses and made his attempt to make it right. Do any of us really need the boards to sell any silver age key?

 

 

Not clear that he wants to make it right for the sake of making it right. Pretty clear that he doesn't want to go on the probation list.

 

True that he didn't have to refund the money .... if he didn't mind running the risk of his local pd inquiring into the matter.

 

 

[Bio-Rupp]

 

I feel this transaction was brought into the public eye and rightly so... and I do feel that whatever happened on LongDillion's end is scratchy at best.

 

That said, he is attempting to right the wrong that he has originated. Weather it be because of his reasoning that he explained to the board or just because of the fact he got caught.

 

The mere fact that he is TRYING should show that he at least wants to make it right.

 

With a WU payment... its really not like he had to either.

 

LongDillion could have taken the money and the book and ran. There is always eBay or any comic shop in his area where he could have sold this book. But he didn't. He came back on here and took the full brunt of the masses and made his attempt to make it right. Do any of us really need the boards to sell any silver age key?

 

 

Not clear that he wants to make it right for the sake of making it right. Pretty clear that he doesn't want to go on the probation list.

 

True that he didn't have to refund the money .... if he didn't mind running the risk of his local pd inquiring into the matter.

 

Covered that one there.

 

Concerning PD... I'm pretty sure if any of us on this board wanted to rip someone off and get away with it, they/we could.

 

If LongDillion reaaaaalllly wanted to... he could have been off scott-free, then go off to his grandmother's house and start a shill account, crack the slab and sell the book here again to probably one of us in this conversation within two-three weeks time.

 

I've been burned twice on eBay... once for $200 plus and once for $350. The first from Canada, no police help there.

 

The second time from Atlanta. Couldn't even get the PD to go to the address given to me.

 

The point of all this... and pretty much on what Speedy originally stated... was that things could be a whole lot worse.

 

 

[comicdonna]

Maybe we need to add a new category...*** special mention***

 

 

Does not fit the regular probation thread, and not yet horrid enough for the HOS.

 

Kind of like that wrist slap thingy that Arch invented?

I think I'm joking, but I'm not really quite sure

 

Actually, this is a good point and related to the one that was discussed a week or so ago with respect to converting the kudos thread to a feedback thread.

 

Right now, we have two alternatives: Great transaction results in post to kudos thread. Somebody gets screwed results in someone being placed on the probation list. There is nothing in between to cover the cases, like this one, where a seller behaves badly but in the end kinda, sorta made things almost right.

 

If the point of all this is to help people feel good about participating in sales threads, we do need some way of indicating that a seller or buyer has misbehaved even if the misbehavior isn't quite probation worthy.

 

The obvious way to accomplish this goal is by having feedback threads rather than just kudos threads. But last time that suggestion was raised it didn't garner much support.

IMO, we are in need of something like this.

[Jimmy Linguini]

Doing a special mention list would be too much.

 

It would be abused.

 

"oh this guy didn't get my Stan Lee book signed in the right colour!"

 

or

 

"this guy won't use paypal"

 

Just remember - This board member has there name on like 10 - 20 pages of the Probation Discussion thread - if a board member wants to buy from or sell to them, its their choice.

[comicdonna]

Doing a special mention list would be too much.

 

It would be abused.

 

"oh this guy didn't get my Stan Lee book signed in the right colour!"

 

or

 

"this guy won't use paypal"

 

Just remember - This board member has there name on like 10 - 20 pages of the Probation Discussion thread - if a board member wants to buy from or sell to them, its their choice.

I disagree. Besides, the things you have mentioned aren't what this is about. Here's an example.

 

longdillon dragged me on for 3 months, leading me to believe there would be no probem paying for 5 books. After the 3 months, he didn't pay. He did place a $70 deposit, which I discounted to the second buyer. Because of the 5% deposit, he didn't qualify for probation.

 

Then, he sells a book to a boardie. Decides to sell it to someone else for more. Then, refunds the first buyer, who is out $60 due to fees, exchange ect...

 

After all of this, (maybe more?) he doesn't make the probation list. Is there 10,000 posts in this thread? (I didn't check) Maybe you could do a recap of this thread for us.

[comicdonna]

16,712 posts in this thread.

[Jimmy Linguini]

16,713 posts in this thread.

[comicdonna]

Thanks for the recap.

[Aces]

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The bad guys are being watched!

[Aces]

Thanks for the recap.

Recap of the whole thread:

 

Watch your back.

[crassus]

Doing a special mention list would be too much.

 

It would be abused.

 

"oh this guy didn't get my Stan Lee book signed in the right colour!"

 

or

 

"this guy won't use paypal"

 

Just remember - This board member has there name on like 10 - 20 pages of the Probation Discussion thread - if a board member wants to buy from or sell to them, its their choice.

I disagree. Besides, the things you have mentioned aren't what this is about. Here's an example.

 

longdillon dragged me on for 3 months, leading me to believe there would be no probem paying for 5 books. After the 3 months, he didn't pay. He did place a $70 deposit, which I discounted to the second buyer. Because of the 5% deposit, he didn't qualify for probation.

 

Then, he sells a book to a boardie. Decides to sell it to someone else for more. Then, refunds the first buyer, who is out $60 due to fees, exchange ect...

 

After all of this, (maybe more?) he doesn't make the probation list. Is there 10,000 posts in this thread? (I didn't check) Maybe you could do a recap of this thread for us.

 

Are you thinking of the need for something like "censure"?

[Speedy-D]

Maybe we need to add a new category...*** special mention***

 

 

Does not fit the regular probation thread, and not yet horrid enough for the HOS.

 

Kind of like that wrist slap thingy that Arch invented?

I think I'm joking, but I'm not really quite sure

 

Actually, this is a good point and related to the one that was discussed a week or so ago with respect to converting the kudos thread to a feedback thread.

 

Right now, we have two alternatives: Great transaction results in post to kudos thread. Somebody gets screwed results in someone being placed on the probation list. There is nothing in between to cover the cases, like this one, where a seller behaves badly but in the end kinda, sorta made things almost right.

 

If the point of all this is to help people feel good about participating in sales threads, we do need some way of indicating that a seller or buyer has misbehaved even if the misbehavior isn't quite probation worthy.

 

The obvious way to accomplish this goal is by having feedback threads rather than just kudos threads. But last time that suggestion was raised it didn't garner much support.

IMO, we are in need of something like this.

Sounds good to me. I think when we switched to the kudos section, the utility kinda went south.

[N/A]

I don't like it. It would require a lengthy discussion. Where do we draw the line? Can someone ever be removed from the "Special mention" section?

[crassus]

I don't like it. It would require a lengthy discussion. Where do we draw the line? Can someone ever be removed from the "Special mention" section?

 

Like the HoS it would boil down to a vote, but unlike the HoS it would not inflict permanent disabilities. The idea of "censure" came to mind because it is a kind of "official rebuke" of a collective upon a member, for certain specified wrongs, it becomes a matter of record but unlike the HoS or PL there are no rights removed.

 

Whether this is any different than what is already happening now in this thread is another question.

[Speedy-D]

I don't like it. It would require a lengthy discussion. Where do we draw the line? Can someone ever be removed from the "Special mention" section?

if you're replying to me, it's a section for feedback threads (as opposed to the kudos threads we have now), not a special mention thread.

[Jo Seph]

Ill make further comment after 40 days.

[Bio-Rupp]

Doing a special mention list would be too much.

 

It would be abused.

 

"oh this guy didn't get my Stan Lee book signed in the right colour!"

 

or

 

"this guy won't use paypal"

 

Just remember - This board member has there name on like 10 - 20 pages of the Probation Discussion thread - if a board member wants to buy from or sell to them, its their choice.

I disagree. Besides, the things you have mentioned aren't what this is about. Here's an example.

 

longdillon dragged me on for 3 months, leading me to believe there would be no probem paying for 5 books. After the 3 months, he didn't pay. He did place a $70 deposit, which I discounted to the second buyer. Because of the 5% deposit, he didn't qualify for probation.

 

Then, he sells a book to a boardie. Decides to sell it to someone else for more. Then, refunds the first buyer, who is out $60 due to fees, exchange ect...

 

After all of this, (maybe more?) he doesn't make the probation list. Is there 10,000 posts in this thread? (I didn't check) Maybe you could do a recap of this thread for us.

 

Didn't remember about this comicdonna... LD's rep is dropping fast with this coming back up.

 

Concerning a "special mention" thread... its going to be abused beyond belief.

 

Too many "friends" out there willing to back their homie, no matter what's right or wrong. I'm sure some instances will be fine and on the up and up, but in some instances the vote will be unbalance and unfair.

 

Recipe for disaster

[skypinkblu]

Ill make further comment after 40 days.

 

You really are a "classy guy" JoSeph, and I think you know many of us feel sypathetic about the way you were treated.

I think you were placed in a VERY bad position, and I understand your comment to mean that you are concerned about the chargebacks some people mentioned.

 

I think if you showed Paypal this thread, it would not be a problem, as a matter of fact, you might contact them now and send them a link to this thread and ask if the 40 day cut off is finite. I know with Amex, I was able to file a complaint on a piece of furniture that broke, after 60 days.