ft88 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Another component about collectibles, price and fluctuations. If the market stagnates or corrects to any degree, I have to imagine the number of AF 15's that would come to market would bury the number of SC 4's. As long as prices go up, demand will overwhelm supply. Once prices settle or drop, supply starts to muscle in on the whole equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Another component about collectibles, price and fluctuations. If the market stagnates or corrects to any degree, I have to imagine the number of AF 15's that would come to market would bury the number of SC 4's. As long as prices go up, demand will overwhelm supply. Once prices settle or drop, supply starts to muscle in on the whole equation. Just out of curiosity when prices have fallen in the past did more copies come to market? I would expect supply to shrink as the price drops. Edited April 30, 2015 by The-Collector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I remember debates about which one would you rather have when I first got to the forum in 2002-2003. Prices were really close between the two. This was also around the time of the first Spider-Man movie. Now prices are getting closer again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think ANYONE would have said 4 years ago that More Fun 73 would outsell All Star 8, yet here we are that the last MFC73 went for 75k last month in a 5.0 (a 3 went for like 30k a few months prior)...the last 5.0 AS8 went for 30k just a few months ago. Before agreeing that one book has passed another I'd need to see a trend, not just a few sales. That's one of the problems with the internet and GPA data, people don't have the patience to see where the chips are actually falling. They just assume every new data point is the new value. Again, remember you couldn't give away an All Star #8 or a More Fun #73 just a couple of years ago. This movie craze has no real logic to it. But again, I'd need to see a trend of several books in several grades before coming to a final conclusion. And as far as the Hulk #1 / AF #15 discussion that happened a few months ago on here, did Hulk #1 surpass AF #15? No, AF #15 just pushed up higher. In my opinion that same thing will happen if SC #4 continues to heat up - it won't surpass other books it will just push them up. Personally, I'm not a fan of all this movie hype. Oh, and for disclosure I don't own any of these books being discussed at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think ANYONE would have said 4 years ago that More Fun 73 would outsell All Star 8, yet here we are that the last MFC73 went for 75k last month in a 5.0 (a 3 went for like 30k a few months prior)...the last 5.0 AS8 went for 30k just a few months ago. Before agreeing that one book has passed another I'd need to see a trend, not just a few sales. That's one of the problems with the internet and GPA data, people don't have the patience to see where the chips are actually falling. They just assume every new data point is the new value. Again, remember you couldn't give away an All Star #8 or a More Fun #73 just a couple of years ago. This movie craze has no real logic to it. But again, I'd need to see a trend of several books in several grades before coming to a final conclusion. And as far as the Hulk #1 / AF #15 discussion that happened a few months ago on here, did Hulk #1 surpass AF #15? No, AF #15 just pushed up higher. In my opinion that same thing will happen if SC #4 continues to heat up - it won't surpass other books it will just push them up. Personally, I'm not a fan of all this movie hype. Oh, and for disclosure I don't own any of these books being discussed at the moment. +1 That's EXACTLY what has happened. (thumbs u -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman399 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think ANYONE would have said 4 years ago that More Fun 73 would outsell All Star 8, yet here we are that the last MFC73 went for 75k last month in a 5.0 (a 3 went for like 30k a few months prior)...the last 5.0 AS8 went for 30k just a few months ago. Before agreeing that one book has passed another I'd need to see a trend, not just a few sales. That's one of the problems with the internet and GPA data, people don't have the patience to see where the chips are actually falling. They just assume every new data point is the new value. Again, remember you couldn't give away an All Star #8 or a More Fun #73 just a couple of years ago. This movie craze has no real logic to it. But again, I'd need to see a trend of several books in several grades before coming to a final conclusion. And as far as the Hulk #1 / AF #15 discussion that happened a few months ago on here, did Hulk #1 surpass AF #15? No, AF #15 just pushed up higher. In my opinion that same thing will happen if SC #4 continues to heat up - it won't surpass other books it will just push them up. Personally, I'm not a fan of all this movie hype. Oh, and for disclosure I don't own any of these books being discussed at the moment. Oh I agree and I don't see the prices staying where they are ASC/MFC. But to make a claim that a book will NEVER pass another book is a stupid comment (not calling you or anyone saying that it can't pass AF15 stupid, but only siths deal in absolutes) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 only siths deal in absolutes And I understand your point as well. I've believed in 'never say never' since my teenage years...but I made that statement with the point being that as far as trends are concerned one will 'never' pass the other...meaning you could have a 'one off' where one book sells for a higher price than the other but it's an outlier. Like when a book that will press up a grade or two breaks a record. The only reason the book is breaking the record is because it's in the wrong grade to begin with. Yes, I realize DC could buy Marvel and drive Spidey into the ground in order to make the Flash their flagship character and then SC #4 will overtake AF #15 and I would eat my 'never', but this is a very unlikely scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman399 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 only siths deal in absolutes And I understand your point as well. I've believed in 'never say never' since my teenage years...but I made that statement with the point being that as far as trends are concerned one will 'never' pass the other...meaning you could have a 'one off' where one book sells for a higher price than the other but it's an outlier. Like when a book that will press up a grade or two breaks a record. The only reason the book is breaking the record is because it's in the wrong grade to begin with. Yes, I realize DC could buy Marvel and drive Spidey into the ground in order to make the Flash their flagship character and then SC #4 will overtake AF #15 and I would eat my 'never', but this is a very unlikely scenario. Oh I totally know what your saying, and agree that it would be very very very unlikely that SC4 constantly sells over AF15. However correct me if I am wrong (way to young to be involved in the keys years ago), did SC4 not outperform AF15 for a number of years (until Spider-man took the big spotlight and pumped out like Deadpool is now)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedude Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Wow!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-5-First-silver-age-FLASH-start-of-the-Silver-Age-/371315112886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56741afbb6 1.5 for $5500 I should have held onto this copy I had back in 2009. ended up selling it for $2,275. I sold it becuz there was talk on the boards at that time about SC4 being a dead book, and that it may even drop over time. lesson learned about not listening to all the "board banter" and stick with what you believe. wonder where it is today and what it would sell for, as it was a nice presenting 3.0 copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Wow!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-5-First-silver-age-FLASH-start-of-the-Silver-Age-/371315112886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56741afbb6 1.5 for $5500 I should have held onto this copy I had back in 2009. ended up selling it for $2,275. I sold it becuz there was talk on the boards at that time about SC4 being a dead book, and that it may even drop over time. lesson learned about not listening to all the "board banter" and stick with what you believe. wonder where it is today and what it would sell for, as it was a nice presenting 3.0 copy. Wow...that's a great looking 3.0. This book was dead in 2006-2010. Sorry to see you let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillax23 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) The rarity of SC4 combined with its rapid price increase made me break my rule of never purchasing a restored book - when a very nice Restored CGC 1.5 was presented to me at a reasonable price, I jumped at it (as it is one of my all time grails). I don't want to own an AF15 - Spidey just doesn't float my boat, but if I did you can basically have your pick of copies due to its high availability - SC4 not so much Edited April 30, 2015 by Chillax23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 only siths deal in absolutes And I understand your point as well. I've believed in 'never say never' since my teenage years...but I made that statement with the point being that as far as trends are concerned one will 'never' pass the other...meaning you could have a 'one off' where one book sells for a higher price than the other but it's an outlier. Like when a book that will press up a grade or two breaks a record. The only reason the book is breaking the record is because it's in the wrong grade to begin with. Yes, I realize DC could buy Marvel and drive Spidey into the ground in order to make the Flash their flagship character and then SC #4 will overtake AF #15 and I would eat my 'never', but this is a very unlikely scenario. Oh I totally know what your saying, and agree that it would be very very very unlikely that SC4 constantly sells over AF15. However correct me if I am wrong (way to young to be involved in the keys years ago), did SC4 not outperform AF15 for a number of years (until Spider-man took the big spotlight and pumped out like Deadpool is now)? I remember when the Flash TV series in the 1990's propelled Showcase 4 over AF15. I believe in the OSPG 22nd edition, SC4 jumped like 30%+ and I wouldn't be surprise to see a big jump in the 2015 OSPG. The current Flash TV series and interests has moved SC4 up to new heights. Currently, both Flash and Spiderman are in the limelight...so both will move up. But AF15 is the BIGGER key book. Marvel is the KING in the Silver Age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 And now for something completely different . . . enter the ugly stepbrother . . . sorry, but it is Not the best composition in a work of cover art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 And now for something completely different . . . enter the ugly stepbrother . . . sorry, but it is Not the best composition in a work of cover art. mods notified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman399 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Someone got bid happy on the SC4 on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jaydogrules Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 3.0 for nearly $7800. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-3-0-Origin-and-1st-appearance-of-Silver-Flash-Upcoming-Movie-/281679256122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4195645a3a That's double last GPA from two years ago. -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaSealed Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 It was a great deal for the buyer, I wonder if the note about glue and the bad auction ending time contributed to the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam I am Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I watched it jump over a grand the last 10 seconds. Very strong price, but I can't wait to see what numbers the 4.5 and 5.0 on Comic Connect can Clink do this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Knight Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I believe not late last year, a boardie sold a 3.0 on here for roughly about the same price. Must be the going rate for 3.0's now, could be slightly more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
