The Pre-Robin Tec Club 17 17

[Wayne-Tec]

I love 33, but I do think that 36 is a book that will overtake it. Not only because of the cover(which is fantastic), but it's the first appearance of Hugo Strange. If Chris Nolan uses him in the next Batman movie or he appears in one of the films down the road, that may help the book become even more desirable than it already is.

 

While I think that Tec #36 is a very underrated (and somewhat under-appreciated) book, I don't think it's fair to compare it to Tec #33.

 

Tec #33 cover > Tec #36 cover.

 

1st origin of Batman > 1st app. of Hugo Strange.

 

I agree with Gator in that the demand might at some point become higher than that for #33; but I think that would be due to the many collectors who might have enough to buy a Tec #36 but not a Tec #33.

 

The desparity in asking prices is enough to attract a number of collectors' attention. Had I not managed to find the "perfect" copy for me, I would have never considered Tec #33 an option (as it would have been out of my price-range) and might have very well ended up focusing on a book like Tec #36 as my next option (although knowing my tastes, a coverless Batman #1 would have been next on my list).

 

Im sorry but i feel like were all going around in circles, Its really all about what cover/books you love the most so if i love 32 better than 27 thats my choice no ones right or wrong. 33 is the second most valueable tec after 27 in the OSPG so theres no dispute, but in real market its all about your own personal choice and how easily "rare" certain issues are to aquire that determines the price (now i sound like a broken record). I love ALL the covers as im sure most of you do to so theres no dispute it just personal opinion. If value were no meaning id take a 35 over a 27 anyday of the week.

 

I agree.

 

To say that one cover is better or cooler than the next is just a matter of opinion. (thumbs u

 

It might be possible to get an idea of how the market feels as a whole but again, that doesn't mean that every collector is going to appreciate every cover to the same extent.

 

There is no "wrong" when it comes to having your own personal preferences.

[Primetime]

it was indeed...problem is while tec 33 has been a holdover as second most valuable in the guide (overstreet is not going to reduce its value), it has been #5 in "real" value for years and years now (behind 27,29,31, and 35) and will continue as the value of those other issues take much higher leaps, than 33 "in the guide"

...so your "yet to catch up" only applies to the surrounding issues (thumbs u

 

the majority of sales are raw because the majority of 33's seem to be restored, and restored cgc tec 33's do worse sales wise, than raw copies (strange but documented true)...not sure how much has to do with the story (which has been reprinted enough times folks don't need to read it in the original)

 

33 is cool, and I know you are so passionate about the 33, but you have to face reality, the cover is not as cool as 29 or 31 or 35 and likely won't see a as yet to be seen rise in demand (at least not until all the existing copies in the market dissapear...which are not likely until the prices come back in line with where they should be relative to surrounding copies)...

 

I hate to sound like a broken record, but touche

 

I cannot change the reality of the market and I'm not trying to claim that the market is "wrong". I just feel there to be a very valid reason why Tec #33 held the number two spot for so many years.

 

You've mentioned the advent of CGC and collectors' desire now more than ever to appreciate classic covers as a result of collecting "slabs". That's a perfectly valid point which would explain (at least to some degree) why the Tecs you have mentioned (29, 31, and 35) have seen such a significant increase in demand; especially relative to supply.

 

For whatever reason, I think the majority of Pre-Robin collectors feel that 29, 31, and 35 have the superior covers. I would make no argument against #31 and even with #29, I can see how the "darker" and more "gothic" style might be more appealing to a number of collectors; that's cool. (thumbs u

 

But with #35, I think it's really a matter of the "cool" factor combined with the fact that Tec #33's color-scheme does not seem to fit in with that "dark" tone that has been so popular. I love it because the color-scheme reminds me of Tec #27 and I appreciate the contrast between the vibrance of the background colors and the darkness of Batman. I don't think #35 is the better cover; I just think it's the "cooler" cover which is all it needs to be to drive collectors to pay well for it.

 

Tec #33 seems to be very difficult to find unrestored which is where I feel it has the potential to see the most growth.

 

There is really no competition between the importance of the stories of these issues. 29, 31, and 35 all have their own elements that make them significant but the story of Batman's origin is (not to sound like a broken record myself), the most important GA story ever told.

 

Yet as Tec #29, 31, and 35 have all seen their respective "explosions", the same cannot be said of Tec #33 recently. It's held a solid value mind you but has not sold for the same "multiples of guide" that we've seen other issues sell for; it just hasn't been as "hot".

 

The reasons?

 

As we've discussed...the cover is not as "hot" at the moment (something that does seem to change from time to time) and there is a greater supply. Yet I feel when it comes to Pre-Robin Tecs (especially those with Batman on the cover)...there will never be enough supply to meet the demand. Prices seem to go down when too many copies come out around the same time (thus collectors' interest is distributed amongst multiple copies instead of being concentrated into one).

 

I do feel the Tec #33 cover will get "hot" sometime in the future and one day when it becomes fashionable to get your hands on an unrestored Tec #33 in the same ways that it has been for #35 (for instance)...we'll see a book that is already valuable realize a surge in demand and thus, an increase in value.

folks, I think we have a GAtor "junior" in the making (thumbs u Re:Tec 35---BEST Bat splash page in the whole run hands down..

[Wayne-Tec]

There is no demand for 36,nor will there be in the short term,you don't want one,so move on and pick on another book please

 

lol Nothing to see here move along no one needs tec 36 in there collection

 

By the way Matt,

 

I want you to know that I didn't mean anything personal against Tec #36 as I know you own a beautiful copy yourself. If I said anything that came across even the slightest bit offensive...I apologize as that was not my intention.

 

I love your Tec #36 and stand by my saying that it is a very underrated and historically significant book. (thumbs u

 

No dont worry about it i also love your book too so i wasnt trying to offend you in any way either. I just meant there all beutiful and were both equally as lucky to even own 1.

 

Agreed.

 

And no worries as I have taken no offense either. It's only natural for collectors to have their own preferences; especially when they have grails in their collection to help enhance their enjoyment.

 

I know that the two of us are very fortunate to own some amazing Pre-Robin Tecs.

[mt1000]

I personally would never think that 36 would ever surpass 33 for obvious reasons. I think every one just was saying how rare/hard to find certain issues were. Now i have no idea how hard certain issues are but it seems it goes in spurts of diffrent books so ex right now 36 may be the hardest one to find and 33 the easiest (just using an example) but i never ment 36 would be more valuable

[mt1000]

There is no demand for 36,nor will there be in the short term,you don't want one,so move on and pick on another book please

 

lol Nothing to see here move along no one needs tec 36 in there collection

 

By the way Matt,

 

I want you to know that I didn't mean anything personal against Tec #36 as I know you own a beautiful copy yourself. If I said anything that came across even the slightest bit offensive...I apologize as that was not my intention.

 

I love your Tec #36 and stand by my saying that it is a very underrated and historically significant book. (thumbs u

 

No dont worry about it i also love your book too so i wasnt trying to offend you in any way either. I just meant there all beutiful and were both equally as lucky to even own 1.

 

Agreed.

 

And no worries as I have taken no offense either. It's only natural for collectors to have their own preferences; especially when they have grails in their collection to help enhance their enjoyment.

 

I know that the two of us are very fortunate to own some amazing Pre-Robin Tecs.

 

If you really want we can put both are books in a steel cage match and see who comes out the winner

[Wayne-Tec]

There is no demand for 36,nor will there be in the short term,you don't want one,so move on and pick on another book please

 

lol Nothing to see here move along no one needs tec 36 in there collection

 

By the way Matt,

 

I want you to know that I didn't mean anything personal against Tec #36 as I know you own a beautiful copy yourself. If I said anything that came across even the slightest bit offensive...I apologize as that was not my intention.

 

I love your Tec #36 and stand by my saying that it is a very underrated and historically significant book. (thumbs u

 

No dont worry about it i also love your book too so i wasnt trying to offend you in any way either. I just meant there all beutiful and were both equally as lucky to even own 1.

 

Agreed.

 

And no worries as I have taken no offense either. It's only natural for collectors to have their own preferences; especially when they have grails in their collection to help enhance their enjoyment.

 

I know that the two of us are very fortunate to own some amazing Pre-Robin Tecs.

 

If you really want we can put both are books in a steel cage match and see who comes out the winner

 

Oh noooo, my Tec #33 has already taken enough damage!

 

Already had a steel cage match with a Tec #27...

 

And I'm sure you're able to guess who walked out the .

[Wayne-Tec]

folks, I think we have a GAtor "junior" in the making

 

I wonder how Rick would feel about such things.

[Primetime]

folks, I think we have a GAtor "junior" in the making

 

I wonder how Rick would feel about such things.

he'll toast ya to some Pre Robins, coke zero, and blueberry d'nuts

[Wayne-Tec]

folks, I think we have a GAtor "junior" in the making

 

I wonder how Rick would feel about such things.

he'll toast ya to some Pre Robins, coke zero, and blueberry d'nuts

 

I am quite fond of blueberry doughnuts...coke zero ain't half bad and...

 

Ehh...I guess Pre-Robin Tecs are alright.

[Primetime]

folks, I think we have a GAtor "junior" in the making

 

I wonder how Rick would feel about such things.

he'll toast ya to some Pre Robins, coke zero, and blueberry d'nuts

 

I am quite fond of blueberry doughnuts...coke zero ain't half bad and...

 

Ehh...I guess Pre-Robin Tecs are alright.

Rick, sounds like you got another "lil dude" coming up in the ranks of vintage books

[G.A.tor]

I just finished eating a blueberry cake donut and polished it off with a yummy coke zero

[Forbush-Man]

I just finished eating a blueberry cake donut and polished it off with a yummy coke zero

 

Breakfast of Champions.

[Mac Man]

Well, I know this will only get me into the nosebleed seats, but here's my ticket to the clubhouse! 100% complete and really just the first two wraps that are in rougher shape (though again, just some minor chipping--nothing missing).

 

 

Given how pricey the complete, coverless copies are (I still think I got this at a good price), I don't know if I'll be able to add any more to my collection. Still, it is nice to own a comic where Batman is less than a year old!

 

Anyhow, hoping in the next few months to get a professional grade reproduction cover for it to help enhance the overall quality of the book.

[G.A.tor]

I just finished eating a blueberry cake donut and polished it off with a yummy coke zero

 

Breakfast of Champions.

[Larryw7]

I agree with Gator in that the demand might at some point become higher than that for #33; but I think that would be due to the many collectors who might have enough to buy a Tec #36 but not a Tec #33.

 

 

There's that. One of the reasons I may seek out a 36 one of these days. The prices on 33 are just way too high. If I had that kind of dough, I'd try to get a 31 or even a 29.

[Wayne-Tec]

Well, I know this will only get me into the nosebleed seats, but here's my ticket to the clubhouse! 100% complete and really just the first two wraps that are in rougher shape (though again, just some minor chipping--nothing missing).

 

 

Given how pricey the complete, coverless copies are (I still think I got this at a good price), I don't know if I'll be able to add any more to my collection. Still, it is nice to own a comic where Batman is less than a year old!

 

Anyhow, hoping in the next few months to get a professional grade reproduction cover for it to help enhance the overall quality of the book.

 

A Pre-Robin Tec is a Pre-Robin Tec.

 

Any early Batman appearence is a special thing to have.

 

Welcome to the club.

[Wayne-Tec]

I agree with Gator in that the demand might at some point become higher than that for #33; but I think that would be due to the many collectors who might have enough to buy a Tec #36 but not a Tec #33.

 

 

There's that. One of the reasons I may seek out a 36 one of these days. The prices on 33 are just way too high. If I had that kind of dough, I'd try to get a 31 or even a 29.

 

That's another good point.

 

I think there's a desire factor there that has pushed Tec #33 down in terms of desirability as well. Personally, I think it should be valued alongside Tec #29 and #31.

 

But if the value is considered to be that close (which at this point in time, I don't think it is), then many will just save a little bit more and go for one of the books that is "hotter" at this point in time; either that or spend the same amount for a lower-graded copy of 29 or 31.

 

Comics, even Pre-Robin Tecs go through phases where some are "hot" while others cool down (even if they still hold value). Sometimes those phases can be years but right now, it just doesn't seem that Tec #33 is the fashionable book to have. Many collectors would love to have one, but the same degree of overwhelming desire is not there yet. I do think that will change in time but how much time, remains to be seen.

 

I'd like to get some opinions though, do you guys feel that despite the slump Tec #33 has been having, that it is still worth at least what it states in the guide?

 

Do unrestored copies ever sell under-guide; over-guide?

[G.A.tor]

all pre robin tecs with batman on the cover sell over guide...33 included...

 

because 33 had been pushed up higher in the guider moons ago, it doesn't command the multiple that surrounding issues do, but I dont' ever recall seeing a tec 33 blue sell "under" guide..

[Mac Man]

I agree with Gator in that the demand might at some point become higher than that for #33; but I think that would be due to the many collectors who might have enough to buy a Tec #36 but not a Tec #33.

 

 

There's that. One of the reasons I may seek out a 36 one of these days. The prices on 33 are just way too high. If I had that kind of dough, I'd try to get a 31 or even a 29.

 

That's another good point.

 

I think there's a desire factor there that has pushed Tec #33 down in terms of desirability as well. Personally, I think it should be valued alongside Tec #29 and #31.

 

But if the value is considered to be that close (which at this point in time, I don't think it is), then many will just save a little bit more and go for one of the books that is "hotter" at this point in time; either that or spend the same amount for a lower-graded copy of 29 or 31.

 

Comics, even Pre-Robin Tecs go through phases where some are "hot" while others cool down (even if they still hold value). Sometimes those phases can be years but right now, it just doesn't seem that Tec #33 is the fashionable book to have. Many collectors would love to have one, but the same degree of overwhelming desire is not there yet. I do think that will change in time but how much time, remains to be seen.

 

I'd like to get some opinions though, do you guys feel that despite the slump Tec #33 has been having, that it is still worth at least what it states in the guide?

 

Do unrestored copies ever sell under-guide; over-guide?

 

From the little I know of Pre-Robin Tecs, I'd be surprised to see any sell for less than guide. Heck! Guide even seems to be a great price on them.

[Wayne-Tec]

all pre robin tecs with batman on the cover sell over guide...33 included...

 

because 33 had been pushed up higher in the guider moons ago, it doesn't command the multiple that surrounding issues do, but I dont' ever recall seeing a tec 33 blue sell "under" guide..

 

How close would you place Tec #33 in terms of FMV to #35?

 

I know that you have predicted a continued slump for #33 and that the guide should eventually catch-up by allowing books like #35 to be reflected better.

 

Why do you think it is that the OSPG has continued to bump up Tec #33's value and keep it as the #2 Batman Tec while other books (such as #35) have continued to sell for greater multiples?