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[IntoAnother]

Boom saw #0 sold well because of speculation and they're trying to do the same thing now.

 

Why would Boom second print and a marvel retailer variant have the same print run?

 

MMPR's sold out for everyone within days of it's release. The DEMAND was there before any speculation existed. No one saw THIS amount of interest coming. Not Midtown, Not Mile High, Not Lone Star, Not Diamond, Not the Boom, NO ONE.

 

Speculation didn't sell that book out at every conceivable location - DEMAND did, and the only thing it's publisher thought was "ARGH! We didn't print ENOUGH copies!'

 

They didn't make jack squat from any after the fact speculation nonsense. They LOST money because they didn't print enough copies for THEM to sell.

 

Whatever reason this book was under printed, it had nothing to do with speculation on the first one. Someone screwed up at Boom.

 

Is it possible that under printing was better for the long term popularity of the book as well for Boom than if copies were still available?

 

I mean the buzz it got due to lack of supply was pretty big and with one issue I personally can't justify its because the one issue is so exceptional. I know absolutely nothing about The Power Rangers and the series has peaked my interest and it does not appear to be a series I'd normally have on my pull list.

 

Sell 25,000+ sure copy sales in hopes of building a bigger print through speculation?

Why would they say no to a buzz that's already there?

I just think Boom screwed up.

 

Oh I wasn't aware the series already had buzz.

 

Less than a week after it was released (1st print #0), it was sold out through Diamond, sold at Midtown, sold out at Mile High, sold out at DCBS, sold out everywhere. A TRUE selling out.

 

Not just at distribution. But at retail.

 

I tried even my small connections, and no one had anything that I could find.

 

So, yeah... it had a buzz alright. It coincided nicely with the Final Order Cut Off for #1.

 

Apparently, Boom had made their 2nd printings before the release (probably based upon additional orders that trickled in after FOC), but it was 10,000 copies less than what was needed.

 

Jimmy thinks BOOM passed on 10,000 sure sales of a 2nd print, to grow hype for the book (despite the fact that they're printing a 3rd print before the #1 comes out), and I say, no, somebody at Boom made a mistake and under valued the demand for this book.

 

Which makes sense, since it seems EVERYONE under valued the demand for the book.

 

Thank you for the information Chuck, I appreciate it.

 

I'll have to pick up a copy and give it a read.

[Aweandlorder]

Netting close to 20k bucks an issue is bad? I wish I could do that!

Its RISKY for a new title because you never know when interest will go away. So most likely than not, if a new title had a strong month and the next month sales plummet - the book will most likely be cancelled. With a title with readership its a no brainer.

BTW, 5k print run doesnt indicate how popular a brand is. Do you really think that any title selling more than 15k copies a month is more popular than, say, TMNT?

PPS- if you think 5,000 copies is bad, you should look at records sales. Even in the 90s if an indie record label pressed more than 1,000 you would be considered king

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"Netting" does not mean what you think it does, I think.

 

Cover price is $3.50. At 6K copies sold to shops (I'm rounding up), that is $21,000 at the retail level --- but, of course, shops often discount, but that's irrelevant to my analysis.

 

How much does Diamond get on that? About 50%? So we're down to $10,500.

 

And what does Diamond pay Darkhorse for these? (This I don't know exactly, but it is about 10-11% of cover (exclusive of printing costs) as far as I know)

 

It's a business and I know they expect to make some of it back with TPBs later.

 

This article explains some of this very well:

 

http://www.jimzub.com/the-reality-of-mainstream-creator-owned-comics/

 

According to this, about 35 cents of a $3.50 comic will go to the publisher/creative team after printing costs.

 

So, about $2,100 of the above. About $100 a page for everyone involved.

 

How many man/woman hours gets put into making that professional looking comic between the pinnis, folks at darkhorse, the colorers, etc etc.?

 

Smells like we are getting very close to minimum wage here.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe each issue can get cranked out over a weekend, but I have my doubts. Not everyone is a John Byrne circa 1980 or Jack Kirby circa 1965.

 

Now, it's true, from the artist they'll make some money on OA sales, etc.

 

 

 

 

Of course I used the word "Net" not "Gross"

Diamond doesnt take 50% from Dark Horse, thats where YOURE wrong, and thats why everything else past that is false as well.

[Lazyboy]

Netting close to 20k bucks an issue is bad? I wish I could do that!

Its RISKY for a new title because you never know when interest will go away. So most likely than not, if a new title had a strong month and the next month sales plummet - the book will most likely be cancelled. With a title with readership its a no brainer.

BTW, 5k print run doesnt indicate how popular a brand is. Do you really think that any title selling more than 15k copies a month is more popular than, say, TMNT?

PPS- if you think 5,000 copies is bad, you should look at records sales. Even in the 90s if an indie record label pressed more than 1,000 you would be considered king

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"Netting" does not mean what you think it does, I think.

 

Cover price is $3.50. At 6K copies sold to shops (I'm rounding up), that is $21,000 at the retail level --- but, of course, shops often discount, but that's irrelevant to my analysis.

 

How much does Diamond get on that? About 50%? So we're down to $10,500.

 

And what does Diamond pay Darkhorse for these? (This I don't know exactly, but it is about 10-11% of cover (exclusive of printing costs) as far as I know)

 

It's a business and I know they expect to make some of it back with TPBs later.

 

This article explains some of this very well:

 

http://www.jimzub.com/the-reality-of-mainstream-creator-owned-comics/

 

According to this, about 35 cents of a $3.50 comic will go to the publisher/creative team after printing costs.

 

So, about $2,100 of the above. About $100 a page for everyone involved.

 

How many man/woman hours gets put into making that professional looking comic between the pinnis, folks at darkhorse, the colorers, etc etc.?

 

Smells like we are getting very close to minimum wage here.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe each issue can get cranked out over a weekend, but I have my doubts. Not everyone is a John Byrne circa 1980 or Jack Kirby circa 1965.

 

Now, it's true, from the artist they'll make some money on OA sales, etc.

 

 

 

 

Of course I used the word "Net" not "Gross"

Diamond doesnt take 50% from Dark Horse, thats where YOURE wrong, and thats why everything else past that is false as well.

 

That's not what he said. He said Diamond gets about 50% of the cover price (and they keep around 30% of that).

 

Nobody is "netting close to 20k bucks an issue." Unless all the retailers are selling out at full cover AND you consider all retailers combined to be a single entity (like movie box office numbers), nobody is even grossing 20k per issue.

 

YOU are wrong. Again. Shocking.

[the blob]

Yup, I'm assuming the skullkickers creator interviewed in the article I linked to has a pretty decent idea of what he is talking about because he happens to have been writing 1 or more comics at that time that were selling about 5,000 copies a month. Not sure what it's doing nowadays if anything as I don't see it in the top 300 anymore.

[the blob]

Anyway, I'm a hyperbole bloodhound. I know, it makes me a bit of a debbie downer.

[Prince Namor]

Boom saw #0 sold well because of speculation and they're trying to do the same thing now.

 

Why would Boom second print and a marvel retailer variant have the same print run?

 

MMPR's sold out for everyone within days of it's release. The DEMAND was there before any speculation existed. No one saw THIS amount of interest coming. Not Midtown, Not Mile High, Not Lone Star, Not Diamond, Not the Boom, NO ONE.

 

Speculation didn't sell that book out at every conceivable location - DEMAND did, and the only thing it's publisher thought was "ARGH! We didn't print ENOUGH copies!'

 

They didn't make jack squat from any after the fact speculation nonsense. They LOST money because they didn't print enough copies for THEM to sell.

 

Whatever reason this book was under printed, it had nothing to do with speculation on the first one. Someone screwed up at Boom.

 

Is it possible that under printing was better for the long term popularity of the book as well for Boom than if copies were still available?

 

I mean the buzz it got due to lack of supply was pretty big and with one issue I personally can't justify its because the one issue is so exceptional. I know absolutely nothing about The Power Rangers and the series has peaked my interest and it does not appear to be a series I'd normally have on my pull list.

 

Sell 25,000+ sure copy sales in hopes of building a bigger print through speculation?

Why would they say no to a buzz that's already there?

I just think Boom screwed up.

 

If Boom didn't print enough, why did they sell 50 sets on their website for $100 as presale and another 40 after the book had sold out for $200?

 

Because:

 

a) IF what you say happened there, they obviously didn't know ahead of time, which proves my point, they don't know what they're doing and

 

b) Not sure where you get your information from on website sales, but unless you can prove it, it's just opinion. Generally, most publishers don't release that type of information.

 

 

Thats how many were available http://www.boom-studios.com/mighty-morphin-power-rangers-00-bundle-goni-montes-covers.html

 

LOL

 

And that shows what?

 

That they realized after it was released and immediately sold out at retail that speculators would come on their site and try to buy them up and resell them at double the price or more, and instead chose to raise the price and make that profit themselves?

 

That's a GOOD business move.

 

Doesn't correlate with passing up 10,000 pre-sale ordered copies in hopes that speculation frenzy amps up their numbers on a later book.

 

Holding '40' back (wherever you got that number) and holding back 10,000 are two very different things.

 

If the 2nd print shows up on their site for $25 a copy, then I'll believe it.

 

Until then, I'm going to assume they're a publisher and they sell what they publish.

 

[fastballspecial]

I love these last 3 pages. It should be easy to pick out who to listen too and who is just full of themselves.

 

[Aweandlorder]

Yup, I'm assuming the skullkickers creator interviewed in the article I linked to has a pretty decent idea of what he is talking about because he happens to have been writing 1 or more comics at that time that were selling about 5,000 copies a month. Not sure what it's doing nowadays if anything as I don't see it in the top 300 anymore.

 

Im sure he does, but even he illustrates a smaller cut offered to distributors/ Its certianly not half

[Kyle R.]

I love these last 3 pages. It should be easy to pick out who to listen too and who is just full of themselves.

 

 

Exactly !

[followtheleader]

Is there any heat with Batman #567 ?

 

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_567

 

1st Appearance of Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)

 

and

 

1st Appearance of David Cain (Villian from The League of Assassins)

 

Or is this a lackluster book that might be found as a hidden gem in dollar bins?

 

I buy it whenever I see it.

It was hot for a bit, but it was a quick bump. People will still buy it for more than the average book.

I'm just a big CC fan.

 

Patrick

[rush_6]

So with all the power ranger hype i think i should mention copies of the super rare red ranger dragon armor cover have started showing up on ebay i count two bins at $199.99 alread sold last one is an auction already just over 300 any guesses what it will end at?

 

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Mighty-Morphin-Power-Rangers-0-Comicspro-Exclusive-Red-Ranger-Armor-Variant-/351657196226?nav=SEARCH

 

2 sold for $100 BIN each

 

199.99 each i believe unless im looking in the wrong place

[Lazyboy]

I love these last 3 pages. It should be easy to pick out who to listen too and who is just full of themselves.

 

I find that it's generally pretty easy to tell who around here knows what they're talking about (even if you don't always agree with them) and who is full of... er, something.

[divad]

Is there any heat with Batman #567 ?

 

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_567

 

1st Appearance of Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)

 

and

 

1st Appearance of David Cain (Villian from The League of Assassins)

 

Or is this a lackluster book that might be found as a hidden gem in dollar bins?

 

I buy it whenever I see it.

It was hot for a bit, but it was a quick bump. People will still buy it for more than the average book.

I'm just a big CC fan.

 

Patrick

 

I agree. It seems to do very well:

 

Bats 567

[darkstar]

Is there any heat with Batman #567 ?

 

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_567

 

1st Appearance of Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)

 

and

 

1st Appearance of David Cain (Villian from The League of Assassins)

 

Or is this a lackluster book that might be found as a hidden gem in dollar bins?

 

I buy it whenever I see it.

It was hot for a bit, but it was a quick bump. People will still buy it for more than the average book.

I'm just a big CC fan.

 

Patrick

 

I agree. It seems to do very well:

 

Bats 567

 

should have packaged it with Tec 734

[jreezy]

Psylocke variants are doing pretty well.

 

A raw Uncanny xforce #5 sold for $200. The seller claimed that this manara cover was 1:100 . I thought it was 1:50?

 

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121888824309&globalID=EBAY-US

 

Key words he used in the title description "rare, sexy , Olivia munn"

With that sale it brought a couple more raws out to feebay at that price point . Of course. Haha

[Santos208]

Is a 1:50

[N/A]

I love these last 3 pages. It should be easy to pick out who to listen too and who is just full of themselves.

 

 

Exactly !

 

Yes. The entire thread should be ignored.

[N/A]

I love these last 3 pages. It should be easy to pick out who to listen too and who is just full of themselves.

 

I find that it's generally pretty easy to tell who around here knows what they're talking about (even if you don't always agree with them) and who is full of... er, something.

 

The plethora of ambulance chasers makes for some interesting

[ygogolak]

When did Liefeld change his signature?

Deadpool Circle Chase

Bloodstrike 1

 

I like it a lot more compared to his previous scribble. Just odd to change it that much.

X-Force 1

Edited February 19, 2016 by ygogolak

[Martin Sinescu]

Is there any heat with Batman #567 ?

 

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_567

 

1st Appearance of Cassandra Cain (Batgirl)

 

and

 

1st Appearance of David Cain (Villian from The League of Assassins)

 

Or is this a lackluster book that might be found as a hidden gem in dollar bins?

 

I buy it whenever I see it.

It was hot for a bit, but it was a quick bump. People will still buy it for more than the average book.

I'm just a big CC fan.

 

Patrick

 

I agree. It seems to do very well:

 

Bats 567

 

should have packaged it with Tec 734

 

Lots of great stuff in the NML run (granted, it's rather large). I buy nice 567's when I can (also a CC fan) or even whole NML runs if they look nice, but there's very little chance of finding one in a dollar bin. It's been a big(ish) deal for a while and AFAIK never dropped to dollar fodder -- they sell pretty consistently between $15-30 raw now depending on condition and there's usually several bidders dueling it out for copies on ebay. Last time I checked, 9.8's were still under 20 total and I think the last 9.8 on Clink went for $260-something. Cass has also had a bump in interest because of her recent integration in the New 52 continuity.