THE_BEYONDER Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 IMO the Bronze Age ends when Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's X-Men runs finished I feel like the bronze age ended with DD 181 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_collector Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 IMO the Bronze Age ends when Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's X-Men runs finished I feel like the bronze age ended with DD 181 These all coincide with something I feel is very overlooked in terms of comic history, and that's Stan Lee leaving Marvel Comics in 1981 to run the TV/movie studio arm (leaving Jim Shooter in charge of Marvel), along with Jenette Kahn taking over DC the same year, which eventually led to Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Vertigo. Because we now had two totally different people running the two largest comic book publishers, it's no coincidence that things changed at Marvel and DC circa 1981, and fast. Creator royalties, a massive mini-series explosion, more adult themes and stories, etc. Shooter even got rid of the No Prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonzilla Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 IMO the Bronze Age ends when Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's X-Men runs finished I feel like the bronze age ended with DD 181 These all coincide with something I feel is very overlooked in terms of comic history, and that's Stan Lee leaving Marvel Comics in 1981 to run the TV/movie studio arm (leaving Jim Shooter in charge of Marvel), along with Jenette Kahn taking over DC the same year, which eventually led to Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Vertigo. Because we now had two totally different people running the two largest comic book publishers, it's no coincidence that things changed at Marvel and DC circa 1981, and fast. Creator royalties, a massive mini-series explosion, more adult themes and stories, etc. Shooter even got rid of the No Prize. Add in the direct sales only books and "baxter paper" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_collector Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 IMO the Bronze Age ends when Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's X-Men runs finished I feel like the bronze age ended with DD 181 These all coincide with something I feel is very overlooked in terms of comic history, and that's Stan Lee leaving Marvel Comics in 1981 to run the TV/movie studio arm (leaving Jim Shooter in charge of Marvel), along with Jenette Kahn taking over DC the same year, which eventually led to Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Vertigo. Because we now had two totally different people running the two largest comic book publishers, it's no coincidence that things changed at Marvel and DC circa 1981, and fast. Creator royalties, a massive mini-series explosion, more adult themes and stories, etc. Shooter even got rid of the No Prize. Add in the direct sales only books and "baxter paper" Don't make me post my list again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 IMO the Bronze Age ends when Miller's Daredevil and Byrne's X-Men runs finished I feel like the bronze age ended with DD 181 These all coincide with something I feel is very overlooked in terms of comic history, and that's Stan Lee leaving Marvel Comics in 1981 to run the TV/movie studio arm (leaving Jim Shooter in charge of Marvel), along with Jenette Kahn taking over DC the same year, which eventually led to Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Vertigo. Because we now had two totally different people running the two largest comic book publishers, it's no coincidence that things changed at Marvel and DC circa 1981, and fast. Creator royalties, a massive mini-series explosion, more adult themes and stories, etc. Shooter even got rid of the No Prize. DD 181, in retrospect is a great ending. Notwithstanding JC's added comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian48 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Heh. I have a slightly different view. I think BA ended as soon as Miller took over DD and ushered in the newer style of grittier story teller. The would make DD 181 early Copper for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Heh. I have a slightly different view. I think BA ended as soon as Miller took over DD and ushered in the newer style of grittier story teller. The would make DD 181 early Copper for me. No argument here - the production quality of the books changed significantly also. What's interesting to me is you can pick up any book and in 20 seconds or less, assign an "age" to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_collector Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Heh. I have a slightly different view. I think BA ended as soon as Miller took over DD and ushered in the newer style of grittier story teller. The would make DD 181 early Copper for me. Either view is valid (DD 168 vs 181), but in order to make any sense at all, it has to be *around* the 1981 range for the start of the BA. And along with the other comments, no way this book isn't Copper: 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 /Alan Moore (Marvelman, V for Vendetta) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Invaders #1 in VG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 As I've said before, there is no definitive start/end to Copper/Bronze. Some books, like Batman, retained a Bronze age feel until Miller did Dark Knight (1986.) Some books, like New Teen Titans, had a definite Copper vibe, even though it started in 1980. Solid Bronze is to at least the end of Byrne's X-Men, in early 1981. Solid Copper is definitely Turtles #1 in 1984. What's between? A whole lot of fuzziness. Spidey, for example. What's the end of Bronze, beginning of Copper? Nothing serious happened for years with Spidey, after graduating from college in 185. So, would it be Hobgoblin? That's early 1983. What about Superman? Superman remained static throughout Bronze, until Byrne took over with Man of Steel. That's late 1986! Thor? That would be #337, in mid-83. X-Men? Even when Cockrum returned, it still had a Bronze feel. It took Paul Smith's arrival (#165) to shake things up, and X-Men finally started to "feel" different. 1981 is a bit too early for Copper....1984 is a bit too late for Bronze. Everything else is up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Copper started 1/1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Copper started 1/1980. Poor Dazzler...her era was over almost from the minute she showed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Copper started 1/1980. Poor Dazzler...her era was over almost from the minute she showed up! How do you think ROM felt. I blame it all on Rom #1. Came out 12/1979 and signaled the end of a whole era because it was so......well, like ROM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Bronze Storm - Copper Storm - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Copper started 1/1980. Poor Dazzler...her era was over almost from the minute she showed up! How do you think ROM felt. I blame it all on Rom #1. Came out 12/1979 and signaled the end of a whole era because it was so......well, like ROM. I was just reading Rom #1 LAST NIGHT, and had to laugh at the "200 years ago, Galador's finest, etc."...and they're all wearing bell bottoms, open shirts, and one black guy (On Galador!) had a big afro. It was hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 This cover proves my case. The arrival.....meaning the end of the Bronze Age. [/img] One month later. The start of the copper age goodness. [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Naw, man, Rom is pure Bronze Age, disco ball, platform shoes, perm wearing goodness! Until issue #47. Then it's just pure awesome until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxtrot70 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 This would make a fun thread... Signals to indicate End of Bronze.... Wolverine suit change End of Monster genre (ManThing vol2 cancelled 1981) Marketing gimmicks - Rise of the graphic novel and limited issue story arcs (secret wars etc) Sue Storm changes hair style to classic 80s.. way to go Mr Byrne! I had a list somewhere, but this is all i can remember at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Naw, man, Rom is pure Bronze Age, disco ball, platform shoes, perm wearing goodness! Until issue #47. Then it's just pure awesome until the end. I would say pure awesomeness until the end of the Wraith war. The book kinda lost its way after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 As I've said before, there is no definitive start/end to Copper/Bronze. Some books, like Batman, retained a Bronze age feel until Miller did Dark Knight (1986.) Some books, like New Teen Titans, had a definite Copper vibe, even though it started in 1980. Solid Bronze is to at least the end of Byrne's X-Men, in early 1981. Solid Copper is definitely Turtles #1 in 1984. What's between? A whole lot of fuzziness. Spidey, for example. What's the end of Bronze, beginning of Copper? Nothing serious happened for years with Spidey, after graduating from college in 185. So, would it be Hobgoblin? That's early 1983. What about Superman? Superman remained static throughout Bronze, until Byrne took over with Man of Steel. That's late 1986! Thor? That would be #337, in mid-83. X-Men? Even when Cockrum returned, it still had a Bronze feel. It took Paul Smith's arrival (#165) to shake things up, and X-Men finally started to "feel" different. 1981 is a bit too early for Copper....1984 is a bit too late for Bronze. Everything else is up for grabs. Transitional era. Cronze baby! Cronze!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
