The Official "Hey, these scores need fixing" thread

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

Please note that several of the issues (e.g., issues 531, 544, 547, 548) in the Detective Comics #501-#600 set do not have a score assigned to them.

 

If this issue has previously been noted in this thread, my apologies. Thank you.

[Harveyfanatic]

Today a new set was described as having just one book (not a set) but actually it was printed by Harvey Comics from 1974-1975 with 7 issues, the set is Hot Stuff Creepy Caves. Thanks, BD

[Gemma]

At this point, only one issue has been graded. To create the set, I would ask that at least two issues or more have been graded by CGC.

[Harveyfanatic]

I see Jackie Jokers on the list is done but it's not in the registery to add? Thanks, BD

[Dr. Jake]

Hi Gemma,

 

Can you add scores for the following comics in the DC Bronze Age First Issues set?

 

All-Star Western #1 (already has scores in the All-Star Western 1970 set)

Batman Pizza Hut Giveaway (nn)

Best of DC 1

Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew 1

Flash Comes to a Standstill (nn) (listed as Flash Comics to a Standstill in the set)

General Foods Super Heroes (1979) (Although my copy is labeled and graded by CGC as Super Heroes Prisoner of the Stars nn 1979 "Post Cereal Giveaway")

General Foods Super Heroes (1980)

Hawkman the Sky's the Limit (nn)

Magazineland (nn)

Masters of the Universe (nn)

Swordquest 1

Untold Legend of the Batman 1

Wonder Woman the Minotaur (nn)

World's Greatest Super Heroes (nn) 1977

 

Thanks, as always, for your help!

[Silent Master]

I think I may have one that needs fixing...

 

The IDW GI Joe set has the regular issues with a score of 24 and the retail incentive issues with a score of 40

 

however

 

The IDW GI Joe: Cobra set has the regular issues with a score of 24 and the retail incentive issues with a score of 24

and

The IDW GI Joe: Origin set has the regular issues with a score of 24 and the retail incentive issues with a score of 24

 

 

[cheetah]

Thank you for fixing that so fast!

[walclark]

I have a question about the Registry scores for Ghost Comics from Fiction House. Scores for #2 are a lot higher than scores for #1. Is there a reason for this discrepancy? Thanks!

[Turtle]

Hello. I was hoping you might reevaluate the points given for the TMNT #4 manufactoring error. Its currenlty recieving the same points as a standard #4 second print. Compared to the standard's print run of 35,000, there are only a couple hundred of the error that survived.

 

More than that, the error book is easily in the top 5 of TMNT's most valuable/rare books as attested by recent sales of 2 9.6s (2 weeks ago) of $917 and $907. In contrast, the #4 standard 2nd print has nearly zero desirability. The current scoring is:

 

9.0 9.2 9.4 9.6 9.8

10 20 30 50 80

 

Thanks for the consideration!

 

I'm bumping this post from 2008 as I think it should be revisited. The sales data isn't accurate anymore, but everything else is. The error variant is less common (about 800 vs. the 35,000 of the normal print), more desirable, and far more expensive than the 2nd print counterpart. The scores should be quite a bit higher, at the very least on par with the 1st prints for issues #2 or #3.

 

The same case could be made for the NYC variant of #3. It's currently worth the same amount of points as the standard #3. The NYC only had a print run of 500 copies and recent market data (GPA) suggests that a 9.4 variant is worth 3-4x more than a 9.8 standard copy. The points for the error variant should be quite a bit higher; at least on par with a 1st print #2.

 

Thanks Gemma!

[Korvac Saga]

Journey into Mystery #83 in 7.0 is worth 5000 points which is higher than the points for an 8.0, which is around 2500 points.

[namisgr]

Journey into Mystery #83 in 7.0 is worth 5000 points which is higher than the points for an 8.0, which is around 2500 points.

 

 

So buy the 7.0

 

 

 

 

[Korvac Saga]

I did

 

 

Didn't want to get undue points for it.

[Peter Loves Gwen]

Okay, so some scores have changed, without notification, such as here. One change cost me 2500 points, though I pointed out the discrepancy. I only dropped six positions, no big deal right.

 

Fine, but shouldn't a lot of books be realigned? The ASM #11 is a very very hard book to find in any high grade. Shouldn't an 8.5 be worth more than 600 points? It sure cost a bunch more than $600, as in triple or more by GPA standards.

 

There are countless books like that if you look. Books which the point value for a grade is a small percentage of the actual cost, that's not right. Given that other books have point values well above the dollar amount which they cost to acquire.

 

An example is ASM #98, in 9.4 it costs less than $250, but it gets 350 in points. The 9.6 grade of #98 is 615 points, but costs around $350. The system sounds kind of like the BCS college football rankings, not good.

 

Keep working at it, but don't stop while it isn't right yet.

[Gemma]

Due to the larger nature of the scoring discrepancy I had to pass the task on to our website development team and they have placed it on their list of upcoming tasks for CGC. I am sure that they will have the scores corrected shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Peter Loves Gwen]

It's no big deal to me as a new member with few books yet in the registry. I just notice slowly as I browse or add books or check points possibilities, lots of figures don't make sense.

 

I believe that there should be at least two major(huge) factors in creating the points. The first should be the OPG price or GPA price depending on how accurate they are at the time. The second should be a factor number based on the rarity of the book, including the likelihood of it being available to buy.

 

Take an ASM 5 versus an ASM 150. Both may be key books, and the 150 may have ten times as many in CGC census. The #5 will come up for sale very rarely due to the few existing, but the 150 is not a high priority for sellers to get rid of. So that rarity factor is very hard to create. Some books are hard to find because there are so few. Some are so nothing special that even though lots are out there, few are being sold.

 

I know it's a big subject, I just would hope that the points are in some way more closely connected to the prices they sell for. A rare book that is very tough to find should be well over the price in points, and common books should be well under the price in points. Does that make any sense? Thanks for being there and for your time. Regards,

[Gemma]

http://comics.www.collectors-society.com/registry/members/comics/RankingInfo.aspx

 

Actually, the scores are more a way to make it competitive but fun and have little correlation on value as the market is so fickle. We still use an algorithm as noted on the link above and try to make the scores fair for the issues.

[Peter Loves Gwen]

I had read that, and it sounded fair at the time. Now given the oddities in certain instances, it does remind me of the BCS "algorithms", which do not make sense. I think complicated or secret algorithms should be modified occasionally to improve them. In the case of the BCS they are happy with the money generated by what they have, so nothing there will change. Here I hope some collector's input and common sense will influence some kind of improvements as time passes. Regards,

[seanfingh]

 

CGC has to have an algorithm that makes sense. Having the system tied to FMV does not make sense for them. It would require them to constantly adjust, monitor and re-adjust the system based upon sales. That makes no sense, at all. All you really care about is that some of your books are worth less points. There is absolutely no reason to change an entire system just because you want more points.

[Peter Loves Gwen]

You aren't talking to me, I want more points for some, and less for others. I'm not after an unfair system in my favor. I always choose fairness for everyone, and I don't mean socialism.

 

There is no need to constantly adjust anything, as an example the OPG comes out once a year. Once a year is not constantly, and not unreasonable.

[seanfingh]

 

I am talking to you. And using OPG is a completely stupid idea. OPG doesn't even price CGC books. An accurate "adjustment" would require GPA and combing consignment, retail and auction sites for constant updates. Just deal with the algorithm. If you are hell bent for leather to get more points then buy more books or buy books that are worth more points. It's ridiculous to suggest constant overhauls based on FMV. It's tough enough for the staff to keep up with real mistakes that need to be corrected and to keep up with creating all the new sets, without having to deal with an FMV based points system. It's a bad idea. It's been suggested many times before and it has always been a bad idea.