Rat Queens - Kurtis J. Wiebe, Meg Dejmal, John Upchurch 2 2

[the authority]

I would, how is this book any different then the other flash in pan books that get optioned?

 

That's your only question if you are holding copies.

 

You must not be paying attention to cons and general media fare regarding Rat Queens.

 

Or have lots of experience with the same sort of thing over and over and over again.

 

Or not paying attention. This book is great and he's right about lots of mainstream stuff happening on this indie book imo.

 

How many issues are there?

 

6

 

How many issues were out when PP spiked?

 

Have you read them ? I think you'd like the story. I don't need 50 issues to determine if a book is good or not. I liked the Fantastic Four, Spider-man, Richie Rich, Batman, Superman, Sin City, Watchmen, LoXG, etc, and etc the first time I red them.. I don't think this book is at all like Peter Panzerfaust ( I read PP and never really fell in love with it) but a fun book with a lot of different themes. The only thing that has surprised me is it took this long and a TV announcement for it to heat up on ebay. It's a lot of fun.

Edited June 16, 2014 by The Authority

[N/A]

You're mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

Edited June 16, 2014 by Branget

[ZaCrew]

Rat Queens was on the rise before any announcement and would have continued to rise.

 

Search Rat Queens cosplay and you will see why.

 

When you has a following like that people take notice outside the comic book specialist and speculators. Saga was the same, it had wheels outside the esoteric comic book groups.

[the authority]

Your mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

 

I got you. First let me recommend the TPB (less than $10)

 

I agree with the first announcements come the spikes. I just have a feeling that this series will ride higher than the initial spike. I'm far from perfect so I could miss by a mile but my gut tells me the book is solid and will grow. I'm always happy when a book grows. I guess you've probably noticed, I pull heavily for the indies. I would really like to watch that market to grow. (thumbs u

[N/A]

Your mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

 

I got you. First let me recommend the TPB (less than $10)

 

I agree with the first announcements come the spikes. I just have a feeling that this series will ride higher than the initial spike. I'm far from perfect so I could miss by a mile but my gut tells me the book is solid and will grow. I'm always happy when a book grows. I guess you've probably noticed, I pull heavily for the indies. I would really like to watch that market to grow. (thumbs u

 

You like the book and want it to do well. THAT IS AWESOME!!

 

At the very least I would hope the news brings on some new readers. It did seem to help PP a little in sales.

 

Looking at ebay this title was doing nothing on the secondary market. If it is gaining a following in the primary market that's great. If I was a creator I would hope for increased readership as opposed to a new CGC GPA high. When I comment it is only from a secondary market point of view unless I'm reading it.

[N/A]

Rat Queens was on the rise before any announcement and would have continued to rise.

 

Search Rat Queens cosplay and you will see why.

 

When you has a following like that people take notice outside the comic book specialist and speculators. Saga was the same, it had wheels outside the esoteric comic book groups.

 

Saga saw instant sales in the secondary market. This title did not. If you are talking about the primary market (not sure where cosplay fits in) then I hope it is doing well and will take your word that it is.

[ZaCrew]

I think the problem we have here is Sixth Gunitis.

 

So many people had their handed to them when it crumbled and many are very bitter when an announcement comes. Especially if they don't read the book that gets optioned.

 

I personally hope that EoW doesn't get optioned, because we will have a freight train of people come rushing into the thread to talk about how horrible it is without having read it.

[N/A]

I think the problem we have here is Sixth Gunitis.

 

So many people had their handed to them when it crumbled and many are very bitter when an announcement comes. Especially if they don't read the book that gets optioned.

 

I personally hope that EoW doesn't get optioned, because we will have a freight train of people come rushing into the thread to talk about how horrible it is without having read it.

 

I never bought an Sixth Gun so I guess I avoided gunitis?

 

Nobody is saying the book is horrible unless I missed a few posts. In fact there seems to be only positive reviews.

 

I only commented on some thinking this is going to be the next big thing on the secondary market. We are on a 3rd party grading web site chat board.

[N/A]

I also didn't buy Saga or EoW if that means anything. I've sold a few Sagas after I read the 1st TPB.

[the authority]

Haha ! It means you have the potential to read some really fun stuff for the 1st time. (thumbs u

[N/A]

Exactly and all while avoiding the 1st issue hype.

 

Y is my favourite story but I don't think I really got into it until issue 10.

[the authority]

You picked a great one. I was on that from the beginning but sold my #1s when they got way up to $20 or $30 bucks.

 

No regrets, I've sold a ton of stuff that went up like Invincible, Y, and TWD well below their peaks but I also have sold a lot of books like Ultimate Spidey (some of the earliest stuff I bought 100 copies of), Ultimate X-men, Civil War, the Authority, Planetary, and the like that all went down and I bought them later for a lot less money. You just never know how it's going to turn out but as long as my collection oats for itself, I don't really care.

[eightclaps]

I think the problem we have here is Sixth Gunitis.

 

So many people had their handed to them when it crumbled and many are very bitter when an announcement comes. Especially if they don't read the book that gets optioned.

 

I personally hope that EoW doesn't get optioned, because we will have a freight train of people come rushing into the thread to talk about how horrible it is without having read it.

 

I'm glad Sixth Gun got all the fanfare--otherwise I wouldn't have ever discovered such an amazingly worthwhile yet underrated book. But then again, I made a profit before it crumbled. Still wish there would be a TV show though

 

Wonder how these animated series are going to do. Looking forward to Rat Queens and Chew!

[fastballspecial]

You're mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

 

Yeah, pretty much the same thoughts. Had I been invested heavily I would be dumping on this uptick.

 

If you think its a long term book great. Sell off enough to ensure you have broke even then hold.

 

Its print run is starting to stabilize with only losing about 400 copies per issue which really isn't bad at a circulation of 11,000 currently. Of course I would like to see that number going up, but its extremely rare to do so with new books.

 

I cheer for all indy books like this. I hope they all do well whether I like the book or not.

Edited June 16, 2014 by Fastballspecial

[Aweandlorder]

The only reason why this title makes me a believer is.. well because of its title

 

Rat Queens

 

That just sounds alot more mainstream to me than Saga PP sixth Gun or all of them combined.

[Crimebuster]

You're mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

 

Yeah, pretty much the same thoughts. Had I been invested heavily I would be dumping on this uptick.

 

If you think its a long term book great. Sell off enough to ensure you have broke even then hold.

 

Its print run is starting to stabilize with only losing about 400 copies per issue which really isn't bad at a circulation of 11,000 currently. Of course I would like to see that number going up, but its extremely rare to do so with new books.

 

I cheer for all indy books like this. I hope they all do well whether I like the book or not.

 

 

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that we're going to see an increase in sales soon. I don't know if sales for #6 will be up, but I suspect by #8 they will be.

 

As you mentioned, sales for issues #2-5 dropped 400 per issue, which is not a lot compared to most new titles. People who read it tend to stick with it.

 

Between #5 and #6, the first trade came out. Sales figures:

 

March - 3695

April - 2132

 

That's 5827 copies of the trade sold, or more than half the current readership. Some of those were no doubt purchased by current readers, but given that the series seems to have a pretty high retention rate (and very passionate fans who are vocally spreading word of mouth - and are probably buying the tpb for friends as a gift or loaning it out to them), my feeling is that a lot of those 5827 tpb readers are going to end up picking it up monthly as well.

 

The question about the secondary market is a different thing. The first issue of the series had a 1:10 chase variant. The drop in sales between #1 and #2 from 21,745 to 12,335 isn't because 9,400 readers quit buying it, it's because stores ordered tons of extra copies to get the variant, so there's now 10,000 extra copies the marketplace has to absorb. I personally have felt for a while that the series was going to prove popular enough on its own right that these extra copies would eventually get absorbed and #1 would eventually start to be in demand despite the glut of extra copies. The TV deal announcement has just significantly sped up the process.

 

$15 for a copy of #1 is kind of silly at the moment. $15 for a copy 2 years from now what was I was thinking would happen. But the silver lining with this series for potential speculators is that even if the TV show doesn't pan out, the series has a strong, fervent fan base, so the kind of crash we've seen from other titles is much less likely to happen. I think real fans are actually willing to pay $15 for this comic. They just shouldn't have to yet.

[Heavy3PO]

This series has been what I grab first to read after getting back from the store. When I saw this price jump I was extremely happy that I nabbed a 1st print at C2E2 to keep for my personal collection. Sad now that I didn't grab the Fiona Staples cover 3 months back, but you cant have everything!

 

I dunno why, but this series reminds me a lot of Scud. I guess the off-beat humor.

[Garf]

You're mixing the primary and secondary market. I have no opinion of the primary/reader market. I wait until the 1st TPB and if it's recommended then I give it a go.

 

The secondary/ebay market is driven by these announcements as you know. It doesn't surprise me that a good read was not an ebay money maker. It happens all the time.

 

As for this spike it's usually best to let the 1st wave reach the shore. (thumbs u

 

Yeah, pretty much the same thoughts. Had I been invested heavily I would be dumping on this uptick.

 

If you think its a long term book great. Sell off enough to ensure you have broke even then hold.

 

Its print run is starting to stabilize with only losing about 400 copies per issue which really isn't bad at a circulation of 11,000 currently. Of course I would like to see that number going up, but its extremely rare to do so with new books.

 

I cheer for all indy books like this. I hope they all do well whether I like the book or not.

 

 

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that we're going to see an increase in sales soon. I don't know if sales for #6 will be up, but I suspect by #8 they will be.

 

As you mentioned, sales for issues #2-5 dropped 400 per issue, which is not a lot compared to most new titles. People who read it tend to stick with it.

 

Between #5 and #6, the first trade came out. Sales figures:

 

March - 3695

April - 2132

 

That's 5827 copies of the trade sold, or more than half the current readership. Some of those were no doubt purchased by current readers, but given that the series seems to have a pretty high retention rate (and very passionate fans who are vocally spreading word of mouth - and are probably buying the tpb for friends as a gift or loaning it out to them), my feeling is that a lot of those 5827 tpb readers are going to end up picking it up monthly as well.

 

The question about the secondary market is a different thing. The first issue of the series had a 1:10 chase variant. The drop in sales between #1 and #2 from 21,745 to 12,335 isn't because 9,400 readers quit buying it, it's because stores ordered tons of extra copies to get the variant, so there's now 10,000 extra copies the marketplace has to absorb. I personally have felt for a while that the series was going to prove popular enough on its own right that these extra copies would eventually get absorbed and #1 would eventually start to be in demand despite the glut of extra copies. The TV deal announcement has just significantly sped up the process.

 

$15 for a copy of #1 is kind of silly at the moment. $15 for a copy 2 years from now what was I was thinking would happen. But the silver lining with this series for potential speculators is that even if the TV show doesn't pan out, the series has a strong, fervent fan base, so the kind of crash we've seen from other titles is much less likely to happen. I think real fans are actually willing to pay $15 for this comic. They just shouldn't have to yet.

 

Image and other #1 titles are top heavy not just because of chasing variants it's just how it works, there is always going to be a decent push to get a head start on a title. For those that didn't see Brandon Montclare's comment on ComicsBeat you might find it interesting... Kurtis has also touched on the numbers game in the Peter Panzerfaust thread quite some time back. I agree that Rat Queens should have a good base.

 

Bottom line, if you love this book keep supporting it Fingers crossed for a nice uptick.

 

[awakeintheashes]

Wow. Looks like I missed quite a bit. Congrats to Kurtis and Roc. Great news.

[SpaFon]

Excited to see what comes of this, currently one of my favorites!