Okajima pedigree 25 25

[buttock]

21 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

 

The handwriting is absolutely different (and I've had to testify in court on handwriting), but a bigger clue would be that they didn't even spell it correctly. That looks like a "g" not a "j". If it were not for that, I'd wonder if it was just a different person in the store writing on it. In any case, that's a lot of money for such a raw low grade book.

 

 

The '2' is notably different.  Moreso than any other aspect of the handwriting.  

[jabats]

22 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

 

The handwriting is absolutely different (and I've had to testify in court on handwriting), but a bigger clue would be that they didn't even spell it correctly. That looks like a "g" not a "j". If it were not for that, I'd wonder if it was just a different person in the store writing on it. In any case, that's a lot of money for such a raw low grade book.

 

 

I *think*, if I am remembering correctly, I’ve come across another Okajima where the ‘j’ looks like a ‘g’. Not certain though.

[Robot Man]

Looks as phony as a 3 dollar bill to me. Most of these wern't real super high grade nor were they as low grade as this either. The signature is heavy and just doesn't have the "flow" of the rest of the camp books. Really sad that someone would have the need to do this...

[skypinkblu]

3 hours ago, buttock said:

The '2' is notably different.  Moreso than any other aspect of the handwriting.  

The first "a" is the first tell, look at the top of the letter, the 2nd "a" is different as well.  People hold pens differently and certain letters stand out. The O and K are larger and fairly easy to mimic, but I still don't know of anything that says there could not be more than 1 person signing the books.

[sagii]

11 minutes ago, skypinkblu said:

The first "a" is the first tell, look at the top of the letter, the 2nd "a" is different as well.  People hold pens differently and certain letters stand out. The O and K are larger and fairly easy to mimic, but I still don't know of anything that says there could not be more than 1 person signing the books.

Interesting point Sha. Was there a known Master List for this ped, accounting for an issue of this book being in the collection? 

[DR.X]

4 hours ago, szav said:

 I'd personally never buy a raw one at any premium.

Bingo. For that kind of money it would have to be certified.

[Robot Man]

37 minutes ago, sagii said:

Interesting point Sha. Was there a known Master List for this ped, accounting for an issue of this book being in the collection? 

No master list. It was split up among about 3 buyers. I got a handful of them from Ron Murry from his part of the collection. He knows quite a bit about them.

[sagii]

4 minutes ago, Robot Man said:

No master list. It was split up among about 3 buyers. I got a handful of them from Ron Murry from his part of the collection. He knows quite a bit about them.

I'd say aside from the Church Thread, this Ped gets bumped very frequently. 

[PKJ]

4 hours ago, skypinkblu said:

 

The handwriting is absolutely different (and I've had to testify in court on handwriting), but a bigger clue would be that they didn't even spell it correctly. That looks like a "g" not a "j". If it were not for that, I'd wonder if it was just a different person in the store writing on it. In any case, that's a lot of money for such a raw low grade book.

 

 

Glad I am not the only one who had the radar up on these. I got two notifications on Okajima and thought wow first time in 5 years that has happened, then looked and thought, well maybe one is legit. 

[deadleg]

20 minutes ago, Robot Man said:

No master list. It was split up among about 3 buyers. I got a handful of them from Ron Murry from his part of the collection. He knows quite a bit about them.

So are there a bunch of copies from the collection that haven’t hit the market yet since the original split? 

[PKJ]

And for the record I have a Super Magician that nearly looks like a "g" but the coding and flow is all correct (has the coa as well).

[Robot Man]

1 hour ago, deadleg said:

So are there a bunch of copies from the collection that haven’t hit the market yet since the original split? 

I don’t know. All of Ron’s are scattered to the 4 winds now. 

[entalmighty1]

My early camp book looks like a "g" as well.   

 

[jabats]

On 2/12/2019 at 3:58 PM, deadleg said:

The Master Comics and Danger Adventure issues are legit. Not sure if it was ever confirmed if the sensation was legit or not the last time it was posted. 

I took a chance on the Master Comics (marked as a camp book). We will see how CGC grades it.

[telerites]

Probably a stupid question but are we sure it was same person who penned the Okajima on the camp-coded books?  If not, could that be why the variation in handwriting?

[path4play]

1 hour ago, telerites said:

Probably a stupid question but are we sure it was same person who penned the Okajima on the camp-coded books?  If not, could that be why the variation in handwriting?

Kinda wanted to do this anyway, seems like as good as time as any.  These are chronological from 1/25/44 to 10/10/44.

 

[telerites]

1 hour ago, path4play said:

Kinda wanted to do this anyway, seems like as good as time as any.  These are chronological from 1/25/44 to 10/10/44.

 

Lots of differences to my untrained eyes - so different coders, I assume?

Thanks for posting them.

[Sqeggs]

On 2/12/2019 at 4:00 PM, skypinkblu said:

 

The handwriting is absolutely different (and I've had to testify in court on handwriting), but a bigger clue would be that they didn't even spell it correctly. That looks like a "g" not a "j". If it were not for that, I'd wonder if it was just a different person in the store writing on it. In any case, that's a lot of money for such a raw low grade book.

 

So, that wasn't your signature on the ransom note? 

[path4play]

1 hour ago, telerites said:

Lots of differences to my untrained eyes - so different coders, I assume?

Thanks for posting them.

For me, the thing that supports a single signer theory the best is the coding itself (I'm not a hand writing expect but the sigs look darn similar to me). 

As far as we know from books shared in this very forum, with very few inconsistencies, the coding is in chronological order "1e" is followed by "1f" etc., all the way to "4x" then over to date stamps.  Seems unlikely the shop keep would have keep such perfect numbering holding books for someone?  There was a brother and sister at the time, I suppose its possible the two wrote and coded them together in some way. 

I don't think we will ever know exactly.

 

 

Edited February 15, 2019 by path4play

[telerites]

29 minutes ago, path4play said:

For me, the thing that supports a single signer theory the best is the coding itself (I'm not a hand writing expect but the sigs look darn similar to me). 

As far as we know from books shared in this very forum, with very few inconsistencies, the coding is in chronological order "1e" is followed by "1f" etc., all the way to "4x" then over to date stamps.  Seems unlikely the shop keep would have keep such perfect numbering holding books for someone?  There was a brother and sister at the time, I suppose its possible the two wrote and coded them together in some way. 

I don't think we will ever know exactly.

 

 

I'll get a better scan of my one and only camp-coded - here it is for comparison also.  Ink is not as legible as others