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Superman: The Man of Steel #17 & 18 (Doomsday)
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Are you the sole reason I can't find one of these?.... Completely unrelated but can I have your home address and times you may be out ... So I don't miss you of course ;)

lol So THATS where all of the 17's are!

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

i'm sure someone has the official numbers, but i think 18 has a much higher print run, they pretty much knew it'd be a big deal, therefore printed more. At least this is how I remember it. If i'm wrong, someone else feel free to step in.

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The numbers for Doomsday went astronomical. MOS #17 had Cap City orders of around 20,000, #18 had around 50,000, and 19 had 100,000. And that's just Cap City, around 25% of the Direct Market at the time.

 

It was insane.

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

i'm sure someone has the official numbers, but i think 18 has a much higher print run, they pretty much knew it'd be a big deal, therefore printed more. At least this is how I remember it. If i'm wrong, someone else feel free to step in.

 

 

This is an excellent question, I always heard the print numbers were much lower for the teaser cameos than the books from the full storyline. I would like to see the numbers as well. I have only seen 1 copy of #17 in the wild in twenty years.

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

i'm sure someone has the official numbers, but i think 18 has a much higher print run, they pretty much knew it'd be a big deal, therefore printed more. At least this is how I remember it. If i'm wrong, someone else feel free to step in.

 

 

This is an excellent question, I always heard the print numbers were much lower for the teaser cameos than the books from the full storyline. I would like to see the numbers as well. I have only seen 1 copy of #17 in the wild in twenty years.

 

Cap City numbers:

 

MOS #17 - 18,700

#18 - 26,350 (I was off on this one. It does help to explain the prices.)

#19 - 96,700

#20 - 84,250

#21 - 138,050

#22 (regular) - 109,350

#22 (die-cut) - 400,450

 

Stunning, stunning numbers. DC's marketing plan was absolute brilliance.

 

The Death of Supes absolutely dominated the comics market from November of 1992 until the spring of 1993.

 

Supes' numbers were low for most of 1992, MOS in the 20s and high 10s, and then shot up to the 100s and then slowly fell over the course of the next 3 years. MOS wouldn't fall back to the 20s again until late 1995.

 

Keep in mind, these are Capital City order numbers, and do not include the other Direct Market distributors (Diamond, Heroes World, etc) or the newsstand.

 

Cap City was about 25% of the market. Puts the numbers for #22 into perspective.

 

Turok #1 sold 1.75 million copies to the Direct market...and it was only the SIXTH highest selling book of 1993 (MOS #22, Supes #78, Action #687, Adventures #500, 501.)

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

i'm sure someone has the official numbers, but i think 18 has a much higher print run, they pretty much knew it'd be a big deal, therefore printed more. At least this is how I remember it. If i'm wrong, someone else feel free to step in.

 

 

This is an excellent question, I always heard the print numbers were much lower for the teaser cameos than the books from the full storyline. I would like to see the numbers as well. I have only seen 1 copy of #17 in the wild in twenty years.

 

Cap City numbers:

 

MOS #17 - 18,700

#18 - 26,350 (I was off on this one. It does help to explain the prices.)

#19 - 96,700

#20 - 84,250

#21 - 138,050

#22 (regular) - 109,350

#22 (die-cut) - 400,450

 

Stunning, stunning numbers. DC's marketing plan was absolute brilliance.

 

The Death of Supes absolutely dominated the comics market from November of 1992 until the spring of 1993.

 

Supes' numbers were low for most of 1992, MOS in the 20s and high 10s, and then shot up to the 100s and then slowly fell over the course of the next 3 years. MOS wouldn't fall back to the 20s again until late 1995.

 

Keep in mind, these are Capital City order numbers, and do not include the other Direct Market distributors (Diamond, Heroes World, etc) or the newsstand.

 

Cap City was about 25% of the market. Puts the numbers for #22 into perspective.

 

Turok #1 sold 1.75 million copies to the Direct market...and it was only the SIXTH highest selling book of 1993 (MOS #22, Supes #78, Action #687, Adventures #500, 501.)

 

So, there's no significant difference between #17 and #18. ;)

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

It's worth more because since day 1 OSPG has recognized it as the first appearance (without the distinction between cameo and full). :grin: No one really agrees with that anymore . . . :whistle:

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Right. It just seems like every other book considers the cameo (Hulk #180, ASM #299, etc.) to not be the official first appearance. Just seems like as a collector, I'd rather have the official first full appearance of a character as well.

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Right. It just seems like every other book considers the cameo (Hulk #180, ASM #299, etc.) to not be the official first appearance. Just seems like as a collector, I'd rather have the official first full appearance of a character as well.

 

It's quite amusing actually, because Supes #73 has the same three-panel Doomsday fist pounding wall segment . . . and yet?

 

There are numerous instances of ewhere the OSPG got it wrong, or lagged in editing new information or the market's preference. As most of the modern collectors out there have been saying, don't let a friend (drive while drinking) price based on OSPG. lol

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Odd question, but why is #17 worth more than #18? Most books have the full first appearance going for much more than the cameo.

 

It's worth more because since day 1 OSPG has recognized it as the first appearance (without the distinction between cameo and full). :grin: No one really agrees with that anymore . . . :whistle:

 

Elaborating on this point about the OSPG listing, I had a trading card of Doomsday back in the day that listed MOS #17 as his first appearance. So in my 12-year old mind, that was THE comic to get. I bet Wizard also notated 17 as the first appearance.

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But then again, if CODLIVE wants to start selling some of those books....

 

That was Invincifans with all those beautiful 17's .... I could partially flood the market with my 18's though lol I have collected around 40 in the last few years.... Just need to get some 9.8's out of those :wishluck: And await a movie announcement ....That is unless everyone wants 17's ... Which I have found literally 0 of :( Seriously Invincifans about that address?

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