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malvin

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Heritage came through but the seller of that Silke page could have seen it go much higher since Malvin was bidding all that cash. Great taste Malvin, even when you don't even mean to win, and great taste on stuff you don't win! In other words, I liked that Silke page and Sienkiewicz always rocks the house for me as well.

 

Thanks Sean!

 

I won another Silke that was up later on (after I got unflustered) so the seller got his money!

 

Malvin

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Heritage came through but the seller of that Silke page could have seen it go much higher since Malvin was bidding all that cash. Great taste Malvin, even when you don't even mean to win, and great taste on stuff you don't win! In other words, I liked that Silke page and Sienkiewicz always rocks the house for me as well.

 

Thanks Sean!

 

I won another Silke that was up later on (after I got unflustered) so the seller got his money!

 

Malvin

 

Unflustered. Yes, I would be "flustered". Not the first eff word I would think of,but these boards are tough that way.

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batman_fan

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Hi Folks,

 

I'm happy to report that my issue with HA is resolved. to recap (with details)

 

I was going to bid on this:

 

NSFW Silke Bettie Page page

 

when it came on, I go click bid.

 

However, the previous piece suddenly returned (due to a late bid) and it showed up as I was going to click:

 

Sienkiewicz Elektra Page

 

I didn't stop in time and my one bid ended up winning it.

 

I was so flustered that I did not win the Silke page, but fortunately won another one.

 

Anyways, HA let me 'return' it, so if you wonder why that Elektra page shows up next auction (assuming the person who was the underbidder doesn't get it) you know why!

 

Malvin.

 

You know, you have to give HA a thumbs up for that. (thumbs u :applause:

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stinkininkin

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Surprised there hasn't been any discussion on the following results:

 

1. Bissette Swamp Thing 29 cover = $20.3K

2. Sal Buscema Subby #28 cover = $6.5K, which is a bargoon compared to recent sales of Subby covers from the same era

 

3. Byrne IF #14 page (1st app Sabretooth) = $16K, is this low, high or just right?

4. Byrne X-Men pages between $4.7K - $6.6K. C-level pages are starting to get pricey!

 

5. Jim Davis Garfield Daily 10/1/83 = $5.1K. This is around 4 - 5x the average daily price. Why?

 

6. Crockett Johnson Barnaby daily = $9.6K. I suppose I was expecting this one to go a lot higher given its scarcity, but perhaps obscurity got in the way :)

 

7. Keown Hulk 369 unpublished cover = $1.7K. This one's mine and went for less than I paid for it 8 years ago. I thought it was a very strong cover.

 

8. Simonson Thor 348p20 = $3.5K. Kinda cheap considering so few are available, no?

 

9. Daniel Clowes Eightball 23 cover = $23.9K. Whaaaaat?

 

10. Sim Cerebus 185 splash = $2.3K...someone got a deal.

 

Hey Yoram +1, I will take a stab at a few of those.

 

The SOTST Cover was also attributed to Totleben. I don't know what it is but you put Totleben on something in the mid-80s = cash. This cover is more Bissette for sure and the image was just ok. The fact that it cracked 10K is :screwy: but 20K ya talk amongst yourselves. Its considered the peak period by the peak team, but buy the image not the statistics :sumo:lol

 

The Simonson page. Hey 3.5K for a Copper panel, I mean it was a good sequential panel, but at 3.5K which I thought was just right to a bit strong, I'm thinking, "one day Walt is going to cash out and I'm the dumb who spent 3.5K on a panel, when there are so many to choose from now."

 

2c

 

Simonson with inks by someone other than Simonson results most of the time in a remarkably bland product, to the point where I don't even really count it as a Simonson page. So from my POV, the page did very well.

 

I'm asking here and maybe some people can weigh in on this; is there a sense that Walt's pencils were traditionally loose and that he really polished his art at the inking stage? This would lend itself to the inker being very important and self inked pieces being more desirable?

 

I don't know, but it would make sense to me. I never thought he found a truly complementary inker the way many of the greats did.

 

Terry Austin worked well with Walt.

 

Agree about Terry. This particular Thor page was inked by Wiacek. I thought Wiacek did an excellent job over Walt on X-Factor back in the day, and if this Thor page would have been a better page, I would have been interested. The only Sinonson Thor pages that I don't even bother to look at are the pre Thor 337 issues that had Dezuniga inks. That stuff is quite awful and looks nothing like Simonson. Dezuniga is talented but the pairing with Simonson was beyond inappropriate IMHO.

 

Scott

 

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Brian Peck

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Heritage also pulled the Plastino piece when that controversy reared it's head. They deserve a lot of credit. Other giants like Sotheby's and Christie's may not have done the same.

 

Heritage still has a hit and miss rep when it comes accuracy of their auctions. They have a history or posting incorrect information on auctions. When they are made aware of the issue many times they just ignore the facts. Heritage still has a ways to go in improving their business practices.

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Heritage also pulled the Plastino piece when that controversy reared it's head. They deserve a lot of credit. Other giants like Sotheby's and Christie's may not have done the same.

 

Heritage still has a hit and miss rep when it comes accuracy of their auctions. They have a history or posting incorrect information on auctions. When they are made aware of the issue many times they just ignore the facts. Heritage still has a ways to go in improving their business practices.

 

Anytime you see a problem with a description, just email me at steveb@ha.com and I will make sure the information gets to our Chief Cataloger. I don't think anyone is "ignoring facts" on purpose. The catalogers at Heritage take quite a bit of pride in their work as they are all hobbyists.

 

I, personally, want every description to be as correct as possible, not only because I work with Heritage, but I am a collector and buyer of OA as well. That said, mistakes do happen when cataloging thousands and thousands of comics and pieces of OA every year.

 

Often, we do get information that we change in the description, but by the time we get the correct information, it may be too late to change in the printed catalog and is only changed in the website description. When that happens, it is also always announced during the live auction, right before the lot goes up for bidding.

 

No business is perfect, but I do know that Heritage wants to stay the top auction house in our hobby. They work very hard to stay there by trying to be as transparent as possible and listening to our community, so, everyone who finds a problem with a description, please email me so it can be fixed.

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tth2

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I'm just presenting a different context for you to view their work in. Because had I not given you any context I can only imagine what you would have thought of the dolphin painting, no? :foryou:

 

I'm suggesting that its not all "masturbatory cheese" and that some of it has merit, particularly when viewed in the right context. I've never suggested he was above criticism (far from it, I've made it clear that I critique some of it myself). What I objected to was the blanket statement that its all garbage; its not. There is good work in there along with the bad.

 

Whether its better or worse than this artist or that artist, that's a whole other (and far more subjective) debate.

I can`t believe you guys are still arguing about Boris! doh!:baiting:

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Maybe this will get Walt's attention and the flood gates will open up?

 

I think Walter has a good idea of what his art is worth. The amount of money he has turned down is staggering.

 

Would love to hear some stories! :popcorn:

 

He's acutely aware of what his art is worth to collectors. He's been very consistent in saying that he will bequeath his art to his alma mater, RISD. Unless he changes his mind, what's already out there is as good as it gets. After that, wait for the RISD fundraiser.

 

If he bequeaths it to RISD, it will be sold before he even turns cold in his grave.

 

I can just imagine what the artsy fartsy folks at RISD would think of a bunch of pages of comic book art, and not even "cool" comic book art like Crumb at that, but Thor!

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Maybe this will get Walt's attention and the flood gates will open up?

 

I think Walter has a good idea of what his art is worth. The amount of money he has turned down is staggering.

 

Would love to hear some stories! :popcorn:

 

He's acutely aware of what his art is worth to collectors. He's been very consistent in saying that he will bequeath his art to his alma mater, RISD. Unless he changes his mind, what's already out there is as good as it gets. After that, wait for the RISD fundraiser.

 

If he bequeaths it to RISD, it will be sold before he even turns cold in his grave.

 

I can just imagine what the artsy fartsy folks at RISD would think of a bunch of pages of comic book art, and not even "cool" comic book art like Crumb at that, but Thor!

 

I'm an artsy-fartsy type, I know lots of RISD grads. Many in the art world revere & even collect comic art, and make "fine" art influenced by comic art. Recently on this very thread I have found myself critiquing Boris as painting and being reproached for not treating it as a commercial job, so I'd suggest the folks at RISD could actually take the Thor pages more seriously than the collector community does, rather than less. :)

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thethedew

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Maybe this will get Walt's attention and the flood gates will open up?

I think Walter has a good idea of what his art is worth. The amount of money he has turned down is staggering.

Would love to hear some stories! :popcorn:

 

He's acutely aware of what his art is worth to collectors. He's been very consistent in saying that he will bequeath his art to his alma mater, RISD. Unless he changes his mind, what's already out there is as good as it gets. After that, wait for the RISD fundraiser.

 

If he bequeaths it to RISD, it will be sold before he even turns cold in his grave.

 

I can just imagine what the artsy fartsy folks at RISD would think of a bunch of pages of comic book art, and not even "cool" comic book art like Crumb at that, but Thor!

 

Well, I can't speak for the institution in question, but it IS the policy of many colleges to promptly liquidate any gift that isn't straight-up cash.

 

My father left a nice chunk of Medtronic stock to his almaM, and they sold it straightaway. I always thought that was a bit of a head-scratcher, but was told it had nothing to do with how valuable the gift was or might become, it's just POLICY to liquidate.

 

But they DO have an attached/affiliated museum, guys. So it could ALL go there.

 

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Yeah all their characters are shredded and sometimes it seems a bit odd. But considering this is what Julie used to look like I think you can forgive them for it. It was obviously part of their lifestyle:

 

I haven't really seen too many paintings of theirs where I felt characters were too shredded. Muscularity is pretty common in fantasy and super hero art. There are many paintings where it appears Julie is the model. There have been some where they were actually too bulky especially for an established character. It looked way off. However, it may have been a product of the times as well. In the early 90's most comic characters who didn't even have super strength became steroid freaks. Popular artists like Jim Lee turned guys like Scott Slim Summers aka Cyclops in Mr. Olympia and Magneto Mr. Universe.

It quickly became the norm through out comics. The Electro by Jusko I recently got looks like the undisputed body building champ of 1992 in the Marvel Universe.

Despite this becoming the norm I always found this Daredevil very off for the character. At that size I just have trouble envisioning him being very graceful on roof tops. Not too mention the costume is WAY too skin tight...or vein tight.

Daredevil%20-%20Boris%20Vallejo.jpg

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Yeah all their characters are shredded and sometimes it seems a bit odd. But considering this is what Julie used to look like I think you can forgive them for it. It was obviously part of their lifestyle:

 

I haven't really seen too many paintings of theirs where I felt characters were too shredded. Muscularity is pretty common in fantasy and super hero art. There are many paintings where it appears Julie is the model. There have been some where they were actually too bulky especially for an established character. It looked way off. However, it may have been a product of the times as well. In the early 90's most comic characters who didn't even have super strength became steroid freaks. Popular artists like Jim Lee turned guys like Scott Slim Summers aka Cyclops in Mr. Olympia and Magneto Mr. Universe.

It quickly became the norm through out comics. The Electro by Jusko I recently got looks like the undisputed body building champ of 1992 in the Marvel Universe.

Despite this becoming the norm I always found this Daredevil very off for the character. At that size I just have trouble envisioning him being very graceful on roof tops. Not too mention the costume is WAY too skin tight...or vein tight.

Daredevil%20-%20Boris%20Vallejo.jpg

 

I'm speechless.

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