comix4fun Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Ant-Man holding early lead at box office over Pixels. Seems like Ant-Man has legs. Ant-Man early lead in second week. Or Pixels is that bad. pixels is that bad. two weeks ago, before the reviews started to hit, Pixels opening weekend was estimated at $50MM+. Ant-Man estimated to be down 55%, that's not Hulk terrible but it's certainly no indication of legs- still looks $160MM US. Well, If you compare it against the other 11 Marvel movies from Marvel studios, it's doing far better than average as it pertains to 2nd weekend fall off. Ant Man's projected 57.6% decline from opening weekend is: Tied with: Winder Soldier Better than: Captain America 1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Hulk Behind only: Avengers 1 Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man 1 Thor 1 Expand that to the greater comic movie universe world and that second weekend relative performance is better than: Green Lantern Dark Knight Rises Man of Steel X-men X-men Last Stand X-men Origins Wolverine Days of Future Past Spider-man 3 Amazing Spider-Man 2 All in all, for a character than even the most ardent Marvel fans would call "D-List", Ant Man is performing well, as well or better than characters with a far larger following and who are far more integrated into ongoing story lines and team movies. Love the caveats and the spin! Regardless of how you look at it, Ant-Man is going be one of the MCUs lowest grossing films. I'm sure Marvel and Disney set out to make a lower grossing movie than the others on par with the Incredible Hulk. The unfortunate part is this was a Disney pre-teen super-hero flick, not a Marvel super-hero flick. I hope this doesn't mean future Marvel movies are going to skew toward an even younger audience. I like some meat and suspense in my movies and this movie had neither. yeah, this isn't exactly a dud but a sub $25MM second weekend against terrible competition isn't exactly showing legs. it'll be buried by MI next weekend and will barely break $155MM US. the Marvel brand should've enabled this to do better but after the AOU stinker, the halo was off temporarily. Agreed. AOU definitely took some winds out of Marvel's sails this summer. I wouldn't be surprised if this effects every superhero movie for a while. Ant-Man was okay. but to say this movie is performing better than the other MCU movies is Week to week performance is exactly how Hollywood measures performance. Maybe you should take a look at Captain America: First Avenger's performance and point out how different it is than Ant-Man so far. He's got just a tad more name recognition than Ant-man...dontcha think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NewEnglandGothic Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 This movie is a building block to the blockbusters....of course it's a building block that's grossed $227 million in 10 days against a $130 million budget. ^Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 but after the AOU stinker, the halo was off temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsterbento Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I did a Q&A with Hayley Lovitt (Janet van Dyne). Seemed like a fun experience with Michael Douglas on set. http://www.nerdgazette.com/2015/07/q-with-hayley-lovitt-janet-van-dyne-in.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, If you compare it against the other 11 Marvel movies from Marvel studios, it's doing far better than average as it pertains to 2nd weekend fall off. Ant Man's projected 57.6% decline from opening weekend is: Tied with: Winder Soldier Better than: Captain America 1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Hulk Behind only: Avengers 1 Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man 1 Thor 1 Expand that to the greater comic movie universe world and that second weekend relative performance is better than: Green Lantern Dark Knight Rises Man of Steel X-men X-men Last Stand X-men Origins Wolverine Days of Future Past Spider-man 3 Amazing Spider-Man 2 All in all, for a character than even the most ardent Marvel fans would call "D-List", Ant Man is performing well, as well or better than characters with a far larger following and who are far more integrated into ongoing story lines and team movies. Umm...yeah. That's a nice spin attempt, but "better than average drop-off" when you start from 1/2 as much doesn't mean much. The reality is this is the worst-performing "official" MCU film by far (although among Marvel Disney releases, Punisher: War Zone was in its own league). Again, it's facetious to say Ant-Man's doing better than The Incredible Hulk. Adjusting for inflation, The Incredible Hulk did $70 million its opening weekend, vs. Ant-Man's $57 million. And that's not including the 20%+ bump it got from 3-D ticket prices. Even without the 3D bump, The Incredible Hulk did $97,055,430 in domestic in its first 10 days (i.e., two weekends) of release. Adjusted for inflation (and _with_ the 3D bump), Ant-Man's only made $93,795,400 over the same time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Quite a few overseas markets, small and large, still to go. Kuwait (29 July 2015) United Arab Emirates (30 July 2015) Iraq (30 July 2015) Lebanon (30 July 2015) Thailand (30 July 2015) Latvia (31 July 2015) South Africa (31 July 2015) Mongolia (7 August 2015) Italy (12 August 2015) South Korea (20 August 2015) Austria (27 August 2015) Greece (17 September 2015) China (18 September 2015) Japan (19 September 2015) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Quite a few overseas markets, small and large, still to go. Kuwait (29 July 2015) United Arab Emirates (30 July 2015) Iraq (30 July 2015) Lebanon (30 July 2015) Thailand (30 July 2015) Latvia (31 July 2015) South Africa (31 July 2015) Mongolia (7 August 2015) Italy (12 August 2015) South Korea (20 August 2015) Austria (27 August 2015) Greece (17 September 2015) China (18 September 2015) Japan (19 September 2015) who knows how much a factor the 2 month delay into Japan & China will be. i'm sticking w/ $450MM WW but $500MM could be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 who knows how much a factor the 2 month delay into Japan & China will be. i'm sticking w/ $450MM WW but $500MM could be possible. Here's what is assumed to be the remaining major movies for 2015. So a few distractors. 2015 July 31, 2015 – Mission Impossible 5 August 7, 2015 – Fantastic Four August 14, 2015 – The Man From U.N.C.L.E. August 21, 2015 – American Ultra (Jesse Eisenberg, Kristen Stewart) August 28, 2015 – Hitman: Agent 47 September 18, 2015 – Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials September 25, 2015 – Hotel Transylvania 2 October 2, 2015 – The Martian (Fox) October 9, 2015 – The Jungle Book (Disney) October 16, 2015 – Bridge of Spies (DreamWorks/Disney) October 16, 2015 – Goosebumps November 6, 2015 – Spectre (Bond 24) November 6, 2015 – Peanuts November 13, 2015 – Friday the 13th (2015) November 20, 2015 – The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 November 25, 2015 – The Good Dinosaur (Pixar) November 25, 2015 – Victor Frankenstein (2015) December 18, 2015 – Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Lucasfilm/Disney) December 25, 2015 – Point Break (2015) December 25, 2015 – Snowden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, If you compare it against the other 11 Marvel movies from Marvel studios, it's doing far better than average as it pertains to 2nd weekend fall off. Ant Man's projected 57.6% decline from opening weekend is: Tied with: Winder Soldier Better than: Captain America 1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Hulk Behind only: Avengers 1 Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man 1 Thor 1 Expand that to the greater comic movie universe world and that second weekend relative performance is better than: Green Lantern Dark Knight Rises Man of Steel X-men X-men Last Stand X-men Origins Wolverine Days of Future Past Spider-man 3 Amazing Spider-Man 2 All in all, for a character than even the most ardent Marvel fans would call "D-List", Ant Man is performing well, as well or better than characters with a far larger following and who are far more integrated into ongoing story lines and team movies. Umm...yeah. That's a nice spin attempt, but "better than average drop-off" when you start from 1/2 as much doesn't mean much. The reality is this is the worst-performing "official" MCU film by far (although among Marvel Disney releases, Punisher: War Zone was in its own league). Again, it's facetious to say Ant-Man's doing better than The Incredible Hulk. Adjusting for inflation, The Incredible Hulk did $70 million its opening weekend, vs. Ant-Man's $57 million. And that's not including the 20%+ bump it got from 3-D ticket prices. Even without the 3D bump, The Incredible Hulk did $97,055,430 in domestic in its first 10 days (i.e., two weekends) of release. Adjusted for inflation (and _with_ the 3D bump), Ant-Man's only made $93,795,400 over the same time period. "When you start from 1/2 as much?" The opening box office of most of the films that Ant-Man out performed in lowest drop off in week 2 didn't come anywhere near $120 million in their opening weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, If you compare it against the other 11 Marvel movies from Marvel studios, it's doing far better than average as it pertains to 2nd weekend fall off. Ant Man's projected 57.6% decline from opening weekend is: Tied with: Winder Soldier Better than: Captain America 1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Hulk Behind only: Avengers 1 Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man 1 Thor 1 Expand that to the greater comic movie universe world and that second weekend relative performance is better than: Green Lantern Dark Knight Rises Man of Steel X-men X-men Last Stand X-men Origins Wolverine Days of Future Past Spider-man 3 Amazing Spider-Man 2 All in all, for a character than even the most ardent Marvel fans would call "D-List", Ant Man is performing well, as well or better than characters with a far larger following and who are far more integrated into ongoing story lines and team movies. Umm...yeah. That's a nice spin attempt, but "better than average drop-off" when you start from 1/2 as much doesn't mean much. The reality is this is the worst-performing "official" MCU film by far (although among Marvel Disney releases, Punisher: War Zone was in its own league). Again, it's facetious to say Ant-Man's doing better than The Incredible Hulk. Adjusting for inflation, The Incredible Hulk did $70 million its opening weekend, vs. Ant-Man's $57 million. And that's not including the 20%+ bump it got from 3-D ticket prices. Even without the 3D bump, The Incredible Hulk did $97,055,430 in domestic in its first 10 days (i.e., two weekends) of release. Adjusted for inflation (and _with_ the 3D bump), Ant-Man's only made $93,795,400 over the same time period. Yes, and you'd also have to adjust for inflation with budget, meaning that Incredible Hulk movie was at $166MIL to make vs $36MIL LESS for Ant-Man. And It's a better movie. It'll play longer. In the end it'll beat the Incredible Hulk easily in box office, even adjusted for inflation. The cost of this movie vs what it'll end up doing is going to make it an easy winner. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 79% critics and 91% audience. It's got legs. Everyone is panicking way too early. Sure MI will knock it out of the top spot, that's a given. But other than that, it doesn't have much of anything action oriented to compete with it for another month in a half, other than Man from Uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, If you compare it against the other 11 Marvel movies from Marvel studios, it's doing far better than average as it pertains to 2nd weekend fall off. Ant Man's projected 57.6% decline from opening weekend is: Tied with: Winder Soldier Better than: Captain America 1 Avengers 2 Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Thor 2 Hulk Behind only: Avengers 1 Guardians of the Galaxy Iron Man 1 Thor 1 Expand that to the greater comic movie universe world and that second weekend relative performance is better than: Green Lantern Dark Knight Rises Man of Steel X-men X-men Last Stand X-men Origins Wolverine Days of Future Past Spider-man 3 Amazing Spider-Man 2 All in all, for a character than even the most ardent Marvel fans would call "D-List", Ant Man is performing well, as well or better than characters with a far larger following and who are far more integrated into ongoing story lines and team movies. Umm...yeah. That's a nice spin attempt, but "better than average drop-off" when you start from 1/2 as much doesn't mean much. The reality is this is the worst-performing "official" MCU film by far (although among Marvel Disney releases, Punisher: War Zone was in its own league). Again, it's facetious to say Ant-Man's doing better than The Incredible Hulk. Adjusting for inflation, The Incredible Hulk did $70 million its opening weekend, vs. Ant-Man's $57 million. And that's not including the 20%+ bump it got from 3-D ticket prices. Even without the 3D bump, The Incredible Hulk did $97,055,430 in domestic in its first 10 days (i.e., two weekends) of release. Adjusted for inflation (and _with_ the 3D bump), Ant-Man's only made $93,795,400 over the same time period. Yes, and you'd also have to adjust for inflation with budget, meaning that Incredible Hulk movie was at $166MIL to make vs $36MIL LESS for Ant-Man. And It's a better movie. It'll play longer. In the end it'll beat the Incredible Hulk easily in box office, even adjusted for inflation. The cost of this movie vs what it'll end up doing is going to make it an easy winner. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 79% critics and 91% audience. It's got legs. Everyone is panicking way too early. Sure MI will knock it out of the top spot, that's a given. But other than that, it doesn't have much of anything action oriented to compete with it for another month in a half, other than Man from Uncle. To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Not that I want to disrupt your valiant defense of Ant-Man. Just pointing out... Captain America: The First Avengers has the second lowest revenue ratio of the past 11 movies, only surpassed in less profit by The Incredible Hulk. Where a 2.5 means a movie achieved a level where a studio can claim enough was made to cover all expenses, and have enough left over to be considered proft, Cap1 was a 2.6X. But as you know, the Avengers jumped the entire franchise forward to new heights, and all movies since have been consistently strong revenue generators. Even a movie like Thor: The Dark World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Not that I want to disrupt your valiant defense of Ant-Man. Just pointing out... Captain America: The First Avengers has the second lowest revenue ratio of the past 11 movies, only surpassed in less profit by The Incredible Hulk. Where a 2.5 means a movie achieved a level where a studio can claim enough was made to cover all expenses, and have enough left over to be considered proft, Cap1 was a 2.6X. But as you know, the Avengers jumped the entire franchise forward to new heights, and all movies since have been consistently strong revenue generators. Even a movie like Thor: The Dark World. I realize Cap didn't set the world on fire but no one called it a bomb. And it had the advantage of massive relative name and fan recognition. The Ant-Man defense is a reaction to people shocked that it didn't make $100 million in the opening weekend when only 4 Marvel Studios movies achieved that and 2 of those were Avengers flicks...and all 4 featured Iron Man. Basically, there's the analysis applied to Downey movies and then everything else. Amazing to me that Ant-Man has done as well as it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Amazing to me that Ant-Man has done as well as it has. I wouldn't take Paul Rudd's star power too lightly. He actually has a good following. And with all the news about Edgar Wright leaving over differences with Marvel, I bet that led to some free press where people wanted to see what this is all about. But let's not forget, the sneak peeks and trailers have been extremely entertaining. And you knew this was a character associated with Marvel Studios. Guardians didn't start plugging that information until later on in its marketing that this was from the studio that brought you Iron Man, Thor and Captain America. The mouse. He sure knows what he is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Not that I want to disrupt your valiant defense of Ant-Man. Just pointing out... Captain America: The First Avengers has the second lowest revenue ratio of the past 11 movies, only surpassed in less profit by The Incredible Hulk. Where a 2.5 means a movie achieved a level where a studio can claim enough was made to cover all expenses, and have enough left over to be considered proft, Cap1 was a 2.6X. But as you know, the Avengers jumped the entire franchise forward to new heights, and all movies since have been consistently strong revenue generators. Even a movie like Thor: The Dark World. I realize Cap didn't set the world on fire but no one called it a bomb. And it had the advantage of massive relative name and fan recognition. The Ant-Man defense is a reaction to people shocked that it didn't make $100 million in the opening weekend when only 4 Marvel Studios movies achieved that and 2 of those were Avengers flicks...and all 4 featured Iron Man. Basically, there's the analysis applied to Downey movies and then everything else. Amazing to me that Ant-Man has done as well as it has. what about picking a different arbitrary # that it didn't come close to achieving? $90MM opening weekend? 7 Marvel Studio movies that achieved that #. $57MM isn't close to $90MM. even with the benefit of China, this will have the lowest multiple of a Marvel studio movie since Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Not that I want to disrupt your valiant defense of Ant-Man. Just pointing out... Captain America: The First Avengers has the second lowest revenue ratio of the past 11 movies, only surpassed in less profit by The Incredible Hulk. Where a 2.5 means a movie achieved a level where a studio can claim enough was made to cover all expenses, and have enough left over to be considered proft, Cap1 was a 2.6X. But as you know, the Avengers jumped the entire franchise forward to new heights, and all movies since have been consistently strong revenue generators. Even a movie like Thor: The Dark World. I realize Cap didn't set the world on fire but no one called it a bomb. And it had the advantage of massive relative name and fan recognition. The Ant-Man defense is a reaction to people shocked that it didn't make $100 million in the opening weekend when only 4 Marvel Studios movies achieved that and 2 of those were Avengers flicks...and all 4 featured Iron Man. Basically, there's the analysis applied to Downey movies and then everything else. Amazing to me that Ant-Man has done as well as it has. what about picking a different arbitrary # that it didn't come close to achieving? $90MM opening weekend? 7 Marvel Studio movies that achieved that #. $57MM isn't close to $90MM. even with the benefit of China, this will have the lowest multiple of a Marvel studio movie since Thor. I would have been shocked if it made $75 million. It's fargin' Ant-Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Saw it this afternoon...friggin' fantastic. Would see again if asked. Wasn't feeling that way about Age of Ultron. Probably not as good as Iron Man from 2008, but very close. Not sure really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 To back up your point, Captain America: The First Avengers spent exactly one week at #1 before it was knocked out of the top spot by that giant of cinematic brilliance: Cowboys and Aliens. Yet, everything turned out ok for it in the long run. Not that I want to disrupt your valiant defense of Ant-Man. Just pointing out... Captain America: The First Avengers has the second lowest revenue ratio of the past 11 movies, only surpassed in less profit by The Incredible Hulk. Where a 2.5 means a movie achieved a level where a studio can claim enough was made to cover all expenses, and have enough left over to be considered proft, Cap1 was a 2.6X. But as you know, the Avengers jumped the entire franchise forward to new heights, and all movies since have been consistently strong revenue generators. Even a movie like Thor: The Dark World. I realize Cap didn't set the world on fire but no one called it a bomb. And it had the advantage of massive relative name and fan recognition. The Ant-Man defense is a reaction to people shocked that it didn't make $100 million in the opening weekend when only 4 Marvel Studios movies achieved that and 2 of those were Avengers flicks...and all 4 featured Iron Man. Basically, there's the analysis applied to Downey movies and then everything else. Amazing to me that Ant-Man has done as well as it has. Yeah -- it's not shock that it didn't make $100 mill. It's more chagrin that it didn't even hit the $60-$65 mill. projected but rather made less on Saturday last week than on Friday (w/ Thursday evening incl.) and then even less on Sunday. That type of front-loading isn't good. Especially given that it was only the # 1 movie 5 of its first 10 days of release, and lost to a holdover no-less. It came in 2nd to Minions last Saturday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. To those of you who think it "has legs," don't be surprised to see it drop to # 3 or 4 next weekend. And it's not just MI 5 this weekend, but FF the following week that will push it down precipitously. Further, even Ghost Rider managed to open to $45 million back in 2007 (comparable to Ant-Man, given inflation and no 3D), and -- as critically maligned as it was -- had a smaller % drop 2nd weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Basically, there's the analysis applied to Downey movies and then everything else. Or the full analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
