Sauce Dog Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Just saw Ant-Man tonight - by far one of the more enjoyable Marvel movies they have put out. Every one of the character changes for Pym seemed perfect, thank god they can successfully distance themselves what is often convoluted character histories and make them a little more relatable. Sure we got yet another bad-guy-business man, but didn't mind this one so much. This has cleansed my brain of the stain left by Avengers 2!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettrFastrStrongr Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Another Hater, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Can we put all future big pics in spoilers? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bane Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Another Hater, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Agreed -- by that rubric there's no way that Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man, or even Blade would have done as well as they did. In the end, quality trumps "brand recognition" -- just ask the folks involved with Batman & Robin or Superman Returns. Ditto, your premise is incorrect: in 1968 Fantastic Four was the best-selling Marvel outside of Amazing Spider-Man, and both books were outsold by Tarzan. In 1973, FF was still 2nd to ASM among Marvels, and Thor, Iron Man & Hulk all out-sold Avengers. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are we finally seeing signs of super-hero movie fatigue at the box office? If anything, on average it was the earlier Marvel movies that had the higher weekly box office reductions when compared to recent movies. Not the other way around. I'd say statistically fatigue has not set in on superhero movies. It depends who the heroes are. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will do over 1 BILLION worldwide, while Ms.Marvel,Black Panther and Inhumans will do a little better than Ant-Man. What I look for is what was popular in sales with comics between 1960s and early 1990s. What ever they ranked in sales then, usually is a barometer for their current box office now, Avengers Spider-Man X-Men Batman Superman dominated sales between 1960s and early 1990s. Ant-Man never even had his own long lasting title during that period. So it shouldn`t be no surprise about the low box office. The same thing will happen to most non-Batman/Superman DC movies. Remember folks Ant-Man got a good rating at Rotten Tomatoes, and still the box office wasn`t gangbusters for it. Good luck Fantastic Four. Spider-man and Batman remained fairly steady, but.... The Avengers did not dominate sales between the 60's and the 90's... even in the 60's, it lagged behind both the FF and Thor every year. And it's overall sales numbers through the 70's and even into the gravy year 90's is pretty weak. X-Men were a sales flop up until the early 80's, and really didn't explode in sales until the late 80's early 90's. Superman dominated the 60's, but was on a downward slope after that until the Death of Superman scam in the early 90's. And as far as longevity of a comic having anything to do with how big a movie is, Archie would have the biggest grossing movie of all time if that was true. The major point was Ant-Man was never ever a major comic book seller like Superman,Batman,Avengers,X-men or Spider-Man, so to think Ant-Man would do gangbusters was suspect. Same thing will happen with Ms.Marvel,Black Panther and Inhumans and all non-Batman/Superman DC movies. They will do around Ant-Man numbers. GotG was the anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. The funny thing is I will probably see Fantastic Four before you do. You`ll probably Red Box it for a $1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. The funny thing is I will probably see Fantastic Four before you do. You`ll probably Red Box it for a $1! Meanwhile, have your ice cream before it melts...and for the love of God, SMILE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. The funny thing is I will probably see Fantastic Four before you do. You`ll probably Red Box it for a $1! Meanwhile, have your ice cream before it melts...and for the love of God, SMILE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r100comics Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I loved the line about whether the stories of an original Antman were true, or were just "propoganda...tales to astonish". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entalmighty1 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I loved the line about whether the stories of an original Antman were true, or were just "propoganda...tales to astonish". I kept peeking around the theater when he said that, just to see who else got it. Just me and the wife it looked like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Have to be a comic fan to get that,others are clueless most of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bane Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I loved the line about whether the stories of an original Antman were true, or were just "propoganda...tales to astonish". Yeah I loved that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Are we finally seeing signs of super-hero movie fatigue at the box office? If anything, on average it was the earlier Marvel movies that had the higher weekly box office reductions when compared to recent movies. Not the other way around. I'd say statistically fatigue has not set in on superhero movies. It depends who the heroes are. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice will do over 1 BILLION worldwide, while Ms.Marvel,Black Panther and Inhumans will do a little better than Ant-Man. What I look for is what was popular in sales with comics between 1960s and early 1990s. What ever they ranked in sales then, usually is a barometer for their current box office now, Avengers Spider-Man X-Men Batman Superman dominated sales between 1960s and early 1990s. Ant-Man never even had his own long lasting title during that period. So it shouldn`t be no surprise about the low box office. The same thing will happen to most non-Batman/Superman DC movies. Remember folks Ant-Man got a good rating at Rotten Tomatoes, and still the box office wasn`t gangbusters for it. Good luck Fantastic Four. Spider-man and Batman remained fairly steady, but.... The Avengers did not dominate sales between the 60's and the 90's... even in the 60's, it lagged behind both the FF and Thor every year. And it's overall sales numbers through the 70's and even into the gravy year 90's is pretty weak. X-Men were a sales flop up until the early 80's, and really didn't explode in sales until the late 80's early 90's. Superman dominated the 60's, but was on a downward slope after that until the Death of Superman scam in the early 90's. And as far as longevity of a comic having anything to do with how big a movie is, Archie would have the biggest grossing movie of all time if that was true. The major point was Ant-Man was never ever a major comic book seller like Superman,Batman,Avengers,X-men or Spider-Man, so to think Ant-Man would do gangbusters was suspect. Has nothing to do with SALES, it has to do with EXPOSURE. Ant-Man hasn't been a major player in over 50 years, other than a minor blip or two. The others have been published consistently month after month for at least 40 years. Ant-Man wasn't as KNOWN. Same thing will happen with Ms.Marvel,Black Panther and Inhumans and all non-Batman/Superman DC movies. They will do around Ant-Man numbers. As difficult as it is to predict what a movie will do at the box office before it's released, it's darn near impossible to accurately predict what it will do before it's completely CASTED. You may as well say, "The Royals will win the World Series in 7 games, because they lost it last year in 7 games!" It could happen, but it's not based upon anything other than a blind blurting. GotG was the anomaly. There was a great deal more to the pre-meditated success of that movie than most people realize, and even though it wasn't expected to do as much as it did, Marvel WAS banking on it being a bigger success than most had. Something to keep in mind for Ant-Man...the movie is in it's 11th day. It will surpass it's quoted budget by about it's 15th day. It still has foreign markets to open. GOTG surpassed it's budget on it's 10th day, after having that huge opening weekend. It was a surprise hit, and it ran in theaters until October 23rd! Marvel believes this movie has legs, and word of mouth will keep it in theaters that long. For the budget it has, it's going to be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Namor Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Agreed -- by that rubric there's no way that Guardians of the Galaxy, Iron Man, or even Blade would have done as well as they did. In the end, quality trumps "brand recognition" -- just ask the folks involved with Batman & Robin or Superman Returns. Ditto, your premise is incorrect: in 1968 Fantastic Four was the best-selling Marvel outside of Amazing Spider-Man, and both books were outsold by Tarzan. In 1973, FF was still 2nd to ASM among Marvels, and Thor, Iron Man & Hulk all out-sold Avengers. I wouldn't be surprised if Tarzan next year does bigger box office than Fantastic Four does this year. Actually.... you may be right.... Margot Robbie in a leopard skin bikini..... holy sheena..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artboy99 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I loved the line about whether the stories of an original Antman were true, or were just "propoganda...tales to astonish". Yeah I loved that line. me as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiamSturgess Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I loved the line about whether the stories of an original Antman were true, or were just "propoganda...tales to astonish". Yeah I loved that line. I applauded quietly at that, but no one else acknowledged it. I was proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Word of mouth isn't going to give Ant-Man legs. The fact that it was # 1 its second week was a fluke due to Pixels bombing. Going into the weekend, Ant-Man was expected to be third, behind Pixels & Minions. Yes -- it's doing very well relative to its budget -- about as well as The Wolverine (with a similar budget). But it will drop off very quickly in the coming weeks, as MI 5 takes a lot of its screens this week, and FF siphons more of its demographic audience next week. The major difference between Ant-Man and Guardians, let alone Avengers, is it's not the type of film folks are going to see more than once, whereas the better Marvel films (even Winter Soldier) were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodey Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I will have review of Ant-Man up tomorrow! Just doing some final scenes tonight. And finishing up the editing! I know you guys are pumped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
