Gotham Kid Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 and you base your assumption on what ? people's bidding patterns on the AC1 sale ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 So this is what Comics General is like all the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 So this is what Comics General is like all the time? We have an occasional banned member or two that shows up for a while until they are re-banned. The drama is this thread appears to come from one recently joined member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonharris52-migration Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. Don't be so certain that other members of comic land couldn't pay $5 million or more, if they were so inclined, for Dave's comic show me some evidence. right now there is none. Harvard has insight into everyone's bank accounts/liquidity. the masses came out a few weeks ago. like I said, interest was soft. Millions of views and only a dozen or so bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregreece Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. This is incorrect this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. show me some evidence. you've offered none. certainly it wouldn't be you. At least you got something right tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think this thread is headed due south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. Don't be so certain that other members of comic land couldn't pay $5 million or more, if they were so inclined, for Dave's comic show me some evidence. right now there is none. Harvard has insight into everyone's bank accounts/liquidity. the masses came out a few weeks ago. like I said, interest was soft. Millions of views and only a dozen or so bids. less than a million views, most certainly the majority of which by collectors just following out an historical auction. every time you hit the ebay page, another view counted. I alone must have accounted for like 10,000 bottom line: get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Madness Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I think this thread is headed due south. I guess they shouldn't have linked this thread from CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistty1 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. You can speculate all you want. I don't think this book will be coming to market anytime soon so you'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonharris52-migration Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 and you base your assumption on what ? people's bidding patterns on the AC1 sale ? philosophically, you don't even know what an "assumption" really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonharris52-migration Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. You really got a man crush on Fishler. My guess is that there a number of collectors who have the money and inclination to buy Action 1. Two obvious examples who already have pretty good copies: Eric and Jack White. Eric didn't bid. I don't think he's into comic books now just OA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 and you base your assumption on what ? people's bidding patterns on the AC1 sale ? philosophically, you don't even know what an "assumption" really is. philosophically, I do know you're full of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. I'm not sure the market cap is quite the same as you're describing. The high roller collectors don't have just the top books; some of them have many other books as well. Looking at the recent auctions I was struck not by the price of the Action 1 (which makes sense to me) but the prices of many many other books that garnered thousands and even tens of thousands despite being titles nobody remembers filled with characters who were never really successful in the first place, let alone famous today. Or they featured characters who are very well known but whose early comics' appearances are not rare in high grade. Add up only a short stack of those books and you get enough to surpass the cost of that Action 1. Add up all of them sold and you get hundreds or even thousands of Action 1s and Detective 27s. If the market can support such values for books in the numbers that they exist, then it can easily absorb large increased in the golden age keys which are not only more famous but will never approach those numbers in regard to market cap (measured by the number of copies and the value of each individually) Edited September 2, 2014 by bluechip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. You really got a man crush on Fishler. My guess is that there a number of collectors who have the money and inclination to buy Action 1. Two obvious examples who already have pretty good copies: Eric and Jack White. Eric didn't bid. I don't think he's into comic books now just OA. He already has a copy, so its no surprise he didn't bid. But, the point remains, there are people in the hobby with deeper pockets than Fishler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooter99 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Put me down for Tec 27 9.2 over AC 1 in 9.0. Heck 9.2 to 9.2 (depending on registration) I'll still take the Tec 27. I'm 48, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonharris52-migration Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. Don't be so certain that other members of comic land couldn't pay $5 million or more, if they were so inclined, for Dave's comic show me some evidence. right now there is none. Harvard has insight into everyone's bank accounts/liquidity. the masses came out a few weeks ago. like I said, interest was soft. Millions of views and only a dozen or so bids. less than a million views, most certainly the majority of which by collectors just following out an historical auction. every time you hit the ebay page, another view counted. I alone must have accounted for like 10,000 bottom line: get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth. 964,289 learn some reason before you pull a strawman out of your on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonharris52-migration Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. You really got a man crush on Fishler. My guess is that there a number of collectors who have the money and inclination to buy Action 1. Two obvious examples who already have pretty good copies: Eric and Jack White. Eric didn't bid. I don't think he's into comic books now just OA. He already has a copy, so its no surprise he didn't bid. But, the point remains, there are people in the hobby with deeper pockets than Fishler. you are right he would be one, but like i said he didn't bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eman13 Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 and you base your assumption on what ? people's bidding patterns on the AC1 sale ? philosophically, you don't even know what an "assumption" really is. philosophically, I do know you're full of it. He just loves making enemies, doesn't he? Spouting off his mouth at established members who have been in the GA market over speculation on a book no one has seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 the comic market caps at a certain level because most high rollers don't collect comics. unlike on sub million dollar books where you can get multiples based on a small grade bump, unfortunately on mega expensive comics the dollars and interest in the books falls short well before the assigned grade. you have a relative small number of WEALTHY comic collectors to begin with and then an even infinitesimally smaller group that have millions to throw on comics (i could count them on less than two hands). if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. this tec27 9.2 won't go for anymore than 9.0 AC1 did several weeks ago. Don't be so certain that other members of comic land couldn't pay $5 million or more, if they were so inclined, for Dave's comic show me some evidence. right now there is none. Harvard has insight into everyone's bank accounts/liquidity. the masses came out a few weeks ago. like I said, interest was soft. Millions of views and only a dozen or so bids. less than a million views, most certainly the majority of which by collectors just following out an historical auction. every time you hit the ebay page, another view counted. I alone must have accounted for like 10,000 bottom line: get your facts straight before you shoot your mouth. 964,289 learn some reason before you pull a strawman out of your on me. why the link to wiki ? you learned the term today and decided to share ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 if dave anderson was offered $5 million for his AC1 it was stephen fishler who offered him that amount. nobody else in comic land has that kind of cash (much less interest) on hand. You really got a man crush on Fishler. My guess is that there a number of collectors who have the money and inclination to buy Action 1. Two obvious examples who already have pretty good copies: Eric and Jack White. Eric didn't bid. I don't think he's into comic books now just OA. He already has a copy, so its no surprise he didn't bid. But, the point remains, there are people in the hobby with deeper pockets than Fishler. MUCH deeper pockets to be exact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
