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[Aweandlorder]

The ending was that no one agreed on anything, drama ensued, slym dropped a couple of GIFs, Larry was banned again, RMA quoted walls of txts and here we are again anxiously awaiting a repeat..

 

Or something

 

 

::

 

 

 

-slym

 

Yep.

 

Watchout! ...Its the second wave!!

 

[LarrysComics]

The ending was that no one agreed on anything, drama ensued, slym dropped a couple of GIFs, Larry was banned again, RMA quoted walls of txts and here we are again anxiously awaiting a repeat..

 

Or something

 

 

::

 

 

 

-slym

 

Yep.

 

 

Banned?!

 

Whoa. I've ONLY served seven AND thirty day suspensions...

Standard fare.

Watchout! ...Its the second wave!!

 

[PIR8]

 

Please continue...I feel like we're really getting somewhere.

[slym2none]

Nope!

 

ABANDON THREAD! REPEAT: ABANDON THREAD!

 

 

::

 

 

 

-slym

[PIR8]

[natevegas]

[500Club]

1)According to Comichron's sales estimates for comics ordered in February 2015. based on data Diamond released today, in February a comic book has once again topped the monthly sales charts because of vast quantities by a single retailer, the repackager Loot Crate.

 

With nearly half a million copies shipped, IDW's Orphan Black #1 would, in fact, rank as the fourth best-selling comic book of the Diamond Exclusive Era, behind January's Star Wars #1, last year's Amazing Spider-Man #1, and Amazing Spider-Man #583 from 2009. It is the third time a comic book has topped the charts likely due to the massive size of Loot Crate's order.

 

2)In the least surprising news in some time, Star Wars #1 from Marvel was the chart-topper: the comic book is reported by its publisher to have sales over a million copies, helped by an unprecedented number of variant covers and boosted by special editions for Loot Crate and other channels. Marvel's market share jumped as a consequence, accounting for 45.64% of units and 41.05% of dollars. Overall comics unit sales were up 10.27% year-over-year, but slightly off from December

 

3)Walking Dead returned to its previous sales level, following last month's Loot Crate-enhanced sales; this would seem to strengthen the case that the October Loot Crate purchase of Walking Dead #132 was likely around 256,000 copies. That's more than Loot Crate appears to have bought of the Guardians of the Galaxy spinoff Rocket Raccoon #1 earlier in the summer, so it's likely there's quite a bit of variance in its orders from set to set. Given how the "crates" can be purchased a la carte as well as by subscription, that would make sense.

 

4)Yet another group of end-users for the data is collectors who want to know how scarce a given comic book is, and the more data points for them, the better. We'd hate not to know how many total copies are out there. But there's no returning to the days of breaking out variant covers into their own entries, now that such variants are ubiquitous. I honestly don't know what the solution is, but I suspect that if other firms enter the Loot Crate space offering comics, odds are the question will be raised again. For Comichron's part, the sales are ginormous enough that we'll be including a dagger (as we're already using the asterisk) when any Loot Crate-enhanced issue appears in the rankings. Future readers won't need to wonder why sales spiked so high.

 

5)Diamond Comic Distributors releases its sales reports for April 2014 orders from comics shops in North America soon, an it is widely expected that Marvel's Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #1, the second relaunched version of that long-running series, will be a blockbuster. Its many variant covers — including a large number specially designed for specific individual comics stores—is likely to give it a high place on the Top Comics of the 21st Century list, which currently is topped by Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #583, the Barack Obama inauguration issue. That issue had orders of at least 530,500 copies across several printings in early 2009 — and more, if newsstand sales are included.

It's pretty clear from this that Diamond's sales figures released to Comichron include variants.

 

Are these text pieces direct from Comichron?

 

 

[bababooey]

OK so going through to summarize this & try to make some sense of this and be the lone person agreeing with jaydogrules conclusion but disagreeing with what little reasoning he put forward.

 

The Diamond sales or ICV2/Comichron numbers are the total reported sales for all of NA through Diamond. These entities do not break out variants or "disclose/report" individual print runs for variants - this is the point that jaydog repeated over and over while misrepresenting it as the reasoning for them not being included.

 

Everyone agrees that blanks and other non-incentive variants ARE included in the total Diamond sales numbers.

 

The main debate hinges on incentive variants, Larry has confirmed that the incentives are supplied based only on regular covers ordered, I'd assume that includes 50/50 split cover runs but not the blank or other "order as many as you want" variants.

 

So in trying to find the reasoning behind jaydogrules' position, my question is simple. How much does the LCS pay for incentive variants?

I'm under the impression they are supplied based on quantities orders (ie- free of charge) - if that's the case then they may not be included as part of the sales total or reported numbers. They may be books created over and above the reported sales totals and if you go back to ICV2 the numbers relate to sales figures/revenue/market percentages etc...

 

The actual impact is minor, most of the time but it does probably demonstrate why 10-1 incentives are common as dirt

jaydog is saying: 100K print run (no non-incentive variants) and book has 25-1 & 100-1 - the straight up math is 4000 and 1000 respectively

everyone else is saying: 100K includes regular, 25-1 and 100-1

 

*you could probably use the store-by-store order threshold formula to reduce the presumed availability of higher ratio variants and then create some sliding scale based on total print run, the challenge in all of this is when there are non-incentive variants available for a particular issue

 

 

 

[500Club]

YES

retail exclusives, skottie youngs, incentives ALL count towards Comichrons number...

 

ONLY regular covers count towards incentives

 

No, you are incorrect here. Diamond does not report print runs for variants.

So this is the crux of the discussion, then. Is the 254K regular covers only, or is it all copies shipped through Diamond?

 

If it's regular covers only, I suspect Jay's number is near correct, and indeed international numbers and small store orders are a wash.

 

If it's all covers, there's a huge chunk of books in the 254K that don't qualify for the 1:100s, and carcrawford's number is likely close.

 

It is the regular covers only. Diamond *does not* report print runs for variants.

You can't absolutely infer the first fact from the second, though.

 

Diamond could still include these books in the total, and yet still have a policy of not reporting individual variant print runs.

 

Except, they don't.

And you can speak to this, how? After all, 'you're not a Diamond insider'. And, if you can, why can you answer this, and not the Loot Crate question above?

 

[500Club]

OK so going through to summarize this & try to make some sense of this and be the lone person agreeing with jaydogrules conclusion but disagreeing with what little reasoning he put forward.

 

The Diamond sales or ICV2/Comichron numbers are the total reported sales for all of NA through Diamond. These entities do not break out variants or "disclose/report" individual print runs for variants - this is the point that jaydog repeated over and over while misrepresenting it as the reasoning for them not being included.

 

Everyone agrees that blanks and other non-incentive variants ARE included in the total Diamond sales numbers.

 

The main debate hinges on incentive variants, Larry has confirmed that the incentives are supplied based only on regular covers ordered, I'd assume that includes 50/50 split cover runs but not the blank or other "order as many as you want" variants.

 

So in trying to find the reasoning behind jaydogrules' position, my question is simple. How much does the LCS pay for incentive variants?

I'm under the impression they are supplied based on quantities orders (ie- free of charge) - if that's the case then they may not be included as part of the sales total or reported numbers. They may be books created over and above the reported sales totals and if you go back to ICV2 the numbers relate to sales figures/revenue/market percentages etc...

 

The actual impact is minor, most of the time but it does probably demonstrate why 10-1 incentives are common as dirt

jaydog is saying: 100K print run (no non-incentive variants) and book has 25-1 & 100-1 - the straight up math is 4000 and 1000 respectively

everyone else is saying: 100K includes regular, 25-1 and 100-1

 

*you could probably use the store-by-store order threshold formula to reduce the presumed availability of higher ratio variants and then create some sliding scale based on total print run, the challenge in all of this is when there are non-incentive variants available for a particular issue

 

 

That's a bit off.

 

JayDog is saying the 254K reported sales for SG 1 is just regular covers, so use the 1:100 ratio to arrive at 2500 copies.

 

The overwhelming view is that the 254K includes regular covers, blanks, Young's, and shop and specialty variant covers. Thus, the 1:100 is applied to a much smaller actual number of regular covers.

[carcrawfordfan]

OK so going through to summarize this & try to make some sense of this and be the lone person agreeing with jaydogrules conclusion but disagreeing with what little reasoning he put forward.

 

The Diamond sales or ICV2/Comichron numbers are the total reported sales for all of NA through Diamond. These entities do not break out variants or "disclose/report" individual print runs for variants - this is the point that jaydog repeated over and over while misrepresenting it as the reasoning for them not being included.

 

Everyone agrees that blanks and other non-incentive variants ARE included in the total Diamond sales numbers.

 

The main debate hinges on incentive variants, Larry has confirmed that the incentives are supplied based only on regular covers ordered, I'd assume that includes 50/50 split cover runs but not the blank or other "order as many as you want" variants.

 

So in trying to find the reasoning behind jaydogrules' position, my question is simple. How much does the LCS pay for incentive variants?

I'm under the impression they are supplied based on quantities orders (ie- free of charge) - if that's the case then they may not be included as part of the sales total or reported numbers. They may be books created over and above the reported sales totals and if you go back to ICV2 the numbers relate to sales figures/revenue/market percentages etc...

 

The actual impact is minor, most of the time but it does probably demonstrate why 10-1 incentives are common as dirt

jaydog is saying: 100K print run (no non-incentive variants) and book has 25-1 & 100-1 - the straight up math is 4000 and 1000 respectively

everyone else is saying: 100K includes regular, 25-1 and 100-1

 

*you could probably use the store-by-store order threshold formula to reduce the presumed availability of higher ratio variants and then create some sliding scale based on total print run, the challenge in all of this is when there are non-incentive variants available for a particular issue

 

 

That's a bit off.

 

JayDog is saying the 254K reported sales for SG 1 is just regular covers, so use the 1:100 ratio to arrive at 2500 copies.

 

The overwhelming view is that the 254K includes regular covers, blanks, Young's, and shop and specialty variant covers. Thus, the 1:100 is applied to a much smaller actual number of regular covers.

 

He is also extrapolating that 1:100 variants are printed in actual 1:100 ratios to the assumed print run, which is obviously very inaccurate because most shops/diamond accounts are not going to order like that. I gave the anecdotal evidence of the 11 shops in my area and them having only 1 total get any 1:100 variants.

[carcrawfordfan]

1)According to Comichron's sales estimates for comics ordered in February 2015. based on data Diamond released today, in February a comic book has once again topped the monthly sales charts because of vast quantities by a single retailer, the repackager Loot Crate.

 

With nearly half a million copies shipped, IDW's Orphan Black #1 would, in fact, rank as the fourth best-selling comic book of the Diamond Exclusive Era, behind January's Star Wars #1, last year's Amazing Spider-Man #1, and Amazing Spider-Man #583 from 2009. It is the third time a comic book has topped the charts likely due to the massive size of Loot Crate's order.

 

2)In the least surprising news in some time, Star Wars #1 from Marvel was the chart-topper: the comic book is reported by its publisher to have sales over a million copies, helped by an unprecedented number of variant covers and boosted by special editions for Loot Crate and other channels. Marvel's market share jumped as a consequence, accounting for 45.64% of units and 41.05% of dollars. Overall comics unit sales were up 10.27% year-over-year, but slightly off from December

 

3)Walking Dead returned to its previous sales level, following last month's Loot Crate-enhanced sales; this would seem to strengthen the case that the October Loot Crate purchase of Walking Dead #132 was likely around 256,000 copies. That's more than Loot Crate appears to have bought of the Guardians of the Galaxy spinoff Rocket Raccoon #1 earlier in the summer, so it's likely there's quite a bit of variance in its orders from set to set. Given how the "crates" can be purchased a la carte as well as by subscription, that would make sense.

 

4)Yet another group of end-users for the data is collectors who want to know how scarce a given comic book is, and the more data points for them, the better. We'd hate not to know how many total copies are out there. But there's no returning to the days of breaking out variant covers into their own entries, now that such variants are ubiquitous. I honestly don't know what the solution is, but I suspect that if other firms enter the Loot Crate space offering comics, odds are the question will be raised again. For Comichron's part, the sales are ginormous enough that we'll be including a dagger (as we're already using the asterisk) when any Loot Crate-enhanced issue appears in the rankings. Future readers won't need to wonder why sales spiked so high.

 

5)Diamond Comic Distributors releases its sales reports for April 2014 orders from comics shops in North America soon, an it is widely expected that Marvel's Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #1, the second relaunched version of that long-running series, will be a blockbuster. Its many variant covers — including a large number specially designed for specific individual comics stores—is likely to give it a high place on the Top Comics of the 21st Century list, which currently is topped by Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #583, the Barack Obama inauguration issue. That issue had orders of at least 530,500 copies across several printings in early 2009 — and more, if newsstand sales are included.

It's pretty clear from this that Diamond's sales figures released to Comichron include variants.

 

Are these text pieces direct from Comichron?

 

 

Yes, they are.

[bababooey]

OK so going through to summarize this & try to make some sense of this and be the lone person agreeing with jaydogrules conclusion but disagreeing with what little reasoning he put forward.

 

The Diamond sales or ICV2/Comichron numbers are the total reported sales for all of NA through Diamond. These entities do not break out variants or "disclose/report" individual print runs for variants - this is the point that jaydog repeated over and over while misrepresenting it as the reasoning for them not being included.

 

Everyone agrees that blanks and other non-incentive variants ARE included in the total Diamond sales numbers.

 

The main debate hinges on incentive variants, Larry has confirmed that the incentives are supplied based only on regular covers ordered, I'd assume that includes 50/50 split cover runs but not the blank or other "order as many as you want" variants.

 

So in trying to find the reasoning behind jaydogrules' position, my question is simple. How much does the LCS pay for incentive variants?

I'm under the impression they are supplied based on quantities orders (ie- free of charge) - if that's the case then they may not be included as part of the sales total or reported numbers. They may be books created over and above the reported sales totals and if you go back to ICV2 the numbers relate to sales figures/revenue/market percentages etc...

 

The actual impact is minor, most of the time but it does probably demonstrate why 10-1 incentives are common as dirt

jaydog is saying: 100K print run (no non-incentive variants) and book has 25-1 & 100-1 - the straight up math is 4000 and 1000 respectively

everyone else is saying: 100K includes regular, 25-1 and 100-1

 

*you could probably use the store-by-store order threshold formula to reduce the presumed availability of higher ratio variants and then create some sliding scale based on total print run, the challenge in all of this is when there are non-incentive variants available for a particular issue

 

 

That's a bit off.

 

JayDog is saying the 254K reported sales for SG 1 is just regular covers, so use the 1:100 ratio to arrive at 2500 copies.

 

The overwhelming view is that the 254K includes regular covers, blanks, Young's, and shop and specialty variant covers. Thus, the 1:100 is applied to a much smaller actual number of regular covers.

Right, my 100 K sample explains that showing how a book with only a 25-1 & a 100-1 incentive might prove him right. (about incentives not being reported as part of the print/sales runs)

I wasn't agreeing to his print run estimate for Spider-Gwen 1 (which has all those other variants) but I was trying to create a reality where the incentive variant numbers WEREN'T included in the totals reported by Diamond/ICV2/Comichron.

Edited March 18, 2015 by bababooey

[Jaydogrules]

OK so going through to summarize this & try to make some sense of this and be the lone person agreeing with jaydogrules conclusion but disagreeing with what little reasoning he put forward.

 

The Diamond sales or ICV2/Comichron numbers are the total reported sales for all of NA through Diamond. These entities do not break out variants or "disclose/report" individual print runs for variants - this is the point that jaydog repeated over and over while misrepresenting it as the reasoning for them not being included.

 

Everyone agrees that blanks and other non-incentive variants ARE included in the total Diamond sales numbers.

 

The main debate hinges on incentive variants, Larry has confirmed that the incentives are supplied based only on regular covers ordered, I'd assume that includes 50/50 split cover runs but not the blank or other "order as many as you want" variants.

 

So in trying to find the reasoning behind jaydogrules' position, my question is simple. How much does the LCS pay for incentive variants?

I'm under the impression they are supplied based on quantities orders (ie- free of charge) - if that's the case then they may not be included as part of the sales total or reported numbers. They may be books created over and above the reported sales totals and if you go back to ICV2 the numbers relate to sales figures/revenue/market percentages etc...

 

The actual impact is minor, most of the time but it does probably demonstrate why 10-1 incentives are common as dirt

jaydog is saying: 100K print run (no non-incentive variants) and book has 25-1 & 100-1 - the straight up math is 4000 and 1000 respectively

everyone else is saying: 100K includes regular, 25-1 and 100-1

 

*you could probably use the store-by-store order threshold formula to reduce the presumed availability of higher ratio variants and then create some sliding scale based on total print run, the challenge in all of this is when there are non-incentive variants available for a particular issue

 

 

That's a bit off.

 

JayDog is saying the 254K reported sales for SG 1 is just regular covers, so use the 1:100 ratio to arrive at 2500 copies.

 

The overwhelming view is that the 254K includes regular covers, blanks, Young's, and shop and specialty variant covers. Thus, the 1:100 is applied to a much smaller actual number of regular covers.

Right, my 100 K sample explains that showing how a book with only a 25-1 & a 100-1 incentive might prove him right. (about incentives not being reported as part of the print/sales runs)

I wasn't agreeing to his print run estimate for Spider-Gwen 1 (which has all those other variants) but I was trying to create a reality where the incentive variant numbers WEREN'T included in the totals reported by Diamond/ICV2/Comichron.

 

And they aren't. And my reasoning behind it is clear. Diamond does not disclose print runs of variants and comichron does not report international sales. Some have been straining to rope in loot crate numbers (irrelevant since this was not a loot crate book) and/or state "well diamond doesn't report the print runs of variants but maybe they do in bulk to comichron or something.".

 

Wrong.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Let me say it again:

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Variant covers have their own unique print runs and they are not reported by diamond.

 

Loot crate is its own animal. Hence why it's got an asterisk every time. That means the book was not a standard distribution book. If Spider Gwen #1 was a loot crate book there might be a point. But it wasn't. So that point is moot.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

The Hughes variant had AT LEAST 2500 copies printed and distributed with the MASSIVE print run of 250k+ copies of the regular cover printed, plus international. It is not rare.

 

Deal with it.

 

-J.

 

 

[slym2none]

 

 

 

 

-slym

[500Club]

1)According to Comichron's sales estimates for comics ordered in February 2015. based on data Diamond released today, in February a comic book has once again topped the monthly sales charts because of vast quantities by a single retailer, the repackager Loot Crate.

 

With nearly half a million copies shipped, IDW's Orphan Black #1 would, in fact, rank as the fourth best-selling comic book of the Diamond Exclusive Era, behind January's Star Wars #1, last year's Amazing Spider-Man #1, and Amazing Spider-Man #583 from 2009. It is the third time a comic book has topped the charts likely due to the massive size of Loot Crate's order.

 

2)In the least surprising news in some time, Star Wars #1 from Marvel was the chart-topper: the comic book is reported by its publisher to have sales over a million copies, helped by an unprecedented number of variant covers and boosted by special editions for Loot Crate and other channels. Marvel's market share jumped as a consequence, accounting for 45.64% of units and 41.05% of dollars. Overall comics unit sales were up 10.27% year-over-year, but slightly off from December

 

3)Walking Dead returned to its previous sales level, following last month's Loot Crate-enhanced sales; this would seem to strengthen the case that the October Loot Crate purchase of Walking Dead #132 was likely around 256,000 copies. That's more than Loot Crate appears to have bought of the Guardians of the Galaxy spinoff Rocket Raccoon #1 earlier in the summer, so it's likely there's quite a bit of variance in its orders from set to set. Given how the "crates" can be purchased a la carte as well as by subscription, that would make sense.

 

4)Yet another group of end-users for the data is collectors who want to know how scarce a given comic book is, and the more data points for them, the better. We'd hate not to know how many total copies are out there. But there's no returning to the days of breaking out variant covers into their own entries, now that such variants are ubiquitous. I honestly don't know what the solution is, but I suspect that if other firms enter the Loot Crate space offering comics, odds are the question will be raised again. For Comichron's part, the sales are ginormous enough that we'll be including a dagger (as we're already using the asterisk) when any Loot Crate-enhanced issue appears in the rankings. Future readers won't need to wonder why sales spiked so high.

 

5)Diamond Comic Distributors releases its sales reports for April 2014 orders from comics shops in North America soon, an it is widely expected that Marvel's Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #1, the second relaunched version of that long-running series, will be a blockbuster. Its many variant covers — including a large number specially designed for specific individual comics stores—is likely to give it a high place on the Top Comics of the 21st Century list, which currently is topped by Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #583, the Barack Obama inauguration issue. That issue had orders of at least 530,500 copies across several printings in early 2009 — and more, if newsstand sales are included.

It's pretty clear from this that Diamond's sales figures released to Comichron include variants.

 

Are these text pieces direct from Comichron?

 

 

Yes, they are.

Game over.

 

Right from the horse's mouth, John Jackson Miller and Comichron are using Diamond totals that include variants and ordering incentive books. Therefore to calculate the population of 1:100 books, you need to ballpark the regular covers shipped. That means subtracting incentives and store/specialty variants.

[Jaydogrules]

1)According to Comichron's sales estimates for comics ordered in February 2015. based on data Diamond released today, in February a comic book has once again topped the monthly sales charts because of vast quantities by a single retailer, the repackager Loot Crate.

 

With nearly half a million copies shipped, IDW's Orphan Black #1 would, in fact, rank as the fourth best-selling comic book of the Diamond Exclusive Era, behind January's Star Wars #1, last year's Amazing Spider-Man #1, and Amazing Spider-Man #583 from 2009. It is the third time a comic book has topped the charts likely due to the massive size of Loot Crate's order.

 

2)In the least surprising news in some time, Star Wars #1 from Marvel was the chart-topper: the comic book is reported by its publisher to have sales over a million copies, helped by an unprecedented number of variant covers and boosted by special editions for Loot Crate and other channels. Marvel's market share jumped as a consequence, accounting for 45.64% of units and 41.05% of dollars. Overall comics unit sales were up 10.27% year-over-year, but slightly off from December

 

3)Walking Dead returned to its previous sales level, following last month's Loot Crate-enhanced sales; this would seem to strengthen the case that the October Loot Crate purchase of Walking Dead #132 was likely around 256,000 copies. That's more than Loot Crate appears to have bought of the Guardians of the Galaxy spinoff Rocket Raccoon #1 earlier in the summer, so it's likely there's quite a bit of variance in its orders from set to set. Given how the "crates" can be purchased a la carte as well as by subscription, that would make sense.

 

4)Yet another group of end-users for the data is collectors who want to know how scarce a given comic book is, and the more data points for them, the better. We'd hate not to know how many total copies are out there. But there's no returning to the days of breaking out variant covers into their own entries, now that such variants are ubiquitous. I honestly don't know what the solution is, but I suspect that if other firms enter the Loot Crate space offering comics, odds are the question will be raised again. For Comichron's part, the sales are ginormous enough that we'll be including a dagger (as we're already using the asterisk) when any Loot Crate-enhanced issue appears in the rankings. Future readers won't need to wonder why sales spiked so high.

 

5)Diamond Comic Distributors releases its sales reports for April 2014 orders from comics shops in North America soon, an it is widely expected that Marvel's Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #1, the second relaunched version of that long-running series, will be a blockbuster. Its many variant covers — including a large number specially designed for specific individual comics stores—is likely to give it a high place on the Top Comics of the 21st Century list, which currently is topped by Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 #583, the Barack Obama inauguration issue. That issue had orders of at least 530,500 copies across several printings in early 2009 — and more, if newsstand sales are included.

It's pretty clear from this that Diamond's sales figures released to Comichron include variants.

 

Are these text pieces direct from Comichron?

 

 

Yes, they are.

Game over.

 

Right from the horse's mouth, John Jackson Miller and Comichron are using Diamond totals that include variants and ordering incentive books. Therefore to calculate the population of 1:100 books, you need to ballpark the regular covers shipped. That means subtracting incentives and store/specialty variants.

 

...except that's not what is said in the article, and your interpretation is incorrect. Plus, oh yeah, Spider Gwen #1 wasn't a loot crate book. And, oh yeah! Diamond doesn't disclose variant print runs.

 

That's usually common knowledge around these parts. At least when someone doesn't have a stack of "rare" variants to sell.

 

-J.

[500Club]

 

And they aren't. And my reasoning behind it is clear. Diamond does not disclose print runs of variants and comichron does not report international sales. Some have been straining to rope in loot crate numbers (irrelevant since this was not a loot crate book) and/or state "well diamond doesn't report the print runs of variants but maybe they do in bulk to comichron or something.".

 

Wrong.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Let me say it again:

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Variant covers have their own unique print runs and they are not reported by diamond.

 

Loot crate is its own animal. Hence why it's got an asterisk every time. That means the book was not a standard distribution book. If Spider Gwen #1 was a loot crate book you might have a point. But it wasn't. So that point is moot.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

The Hughes variant had AT LEAST 2500 copies printed and distributed with the MASSIVE print run of 250k+ copies of the regular cover printed, plus international. It is not rare.

 

Deal with it.

 

-J.

 

Your reasoning is clear. It's also wrong.

 

You are right: no variant figures are disclosed by Diamond. But even though they don't release them individually, they release them in toto to Comichron.

 

That much is VERY CLEAR in the Comichron narrative above.

[Jaydogrules]

 

And they aren't. And my reasoning behind it is clear. Diamond does not disclose print runs of variants and comichron does not report international sales. Some have been straining to rope in loot crate numbers (irrelevant since this was not a loot crate book) and/or state "well diamond doesn't report the print runs of variants but maybe they do in bulk to comichron or something.".

 

Wrong.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Let me say it again:

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

Variant covers have their own unique print runs and they are not reported by diamond.

 

Loot crate is its own animal. Hence why it's got an asterisk every time. That means the book was not a standard distribution book. If Spider Gwen #1 was a loot crate book you might have a point. But it wasn't. So that point is moot.

 

NO VARIANT FIGURES ARE DISCLOSED BY DIAMOND.

 

The Hughes variant had AT LEAST 2500 copies printed and distributed with the MASSIVE print run of 250k+ copies of the regular cover printed, plus international. It is not rare.

 

Deal with it.

 

-J.

 

Your reasoning is clear. It's also wrong.

 

You are right: no variant figures are disclosed by Diamond. But even though they don't release them individually, they release them in toto to Comichron.

 

That much is VERY CLEAR in the Comichron narrative above.

 

No it isn't. And it doesn't say that. That article is about loot crate books and it's effect on Comichron's numbers and why it gets asterisked out from the other books and sales figues Apples and oranges my friend. Apples and oranges.

 

-J.

[krighton]

As exciting as attending an accountants convention

Edited March 18, 2015 by krighton