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DAREDEVIL #1 CLUB
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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

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Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

How about the copies with White pages? :D

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

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Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

How about the copies with White pages? :D

 

No "premiums" either. :sumo:lol

 

-J.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

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Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

My wallet (and GPA) would disagree with you. I've bid on 100s of SA pedigree books and they clearly get a premium over equivalent grade, non-pedigree books.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

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Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

My wallet (and GPA) would disagree with you. I've bid on 100s of SA pedigree books and they clearly get a premium over equivalent grade, non-pedigree books.

 

Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

:gossip: ...buy the book, not a label.

 

-J.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

added:

 

Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

My wallet (and GPA) would disagree with you. I've bid on 100s of SA pedigree books and they clearly get a premium over equivalent grade, non-pedigree books.

 

Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

:gossip: ...buy the book, not a label.

 

-J.

 

Good point. Wouldn't pedigree hunting be the ultimate buying the label, not the book?

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Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

No, it's not the all-time high in the grade. But it is well above the recent trend. The recent high is $11,000 and there's been another 9.2 sitting unsold at Metro at $11,000 for a few months. Everything else is lower by a fair bit. GPA 9.2 sales over the past few years (back to that outlier GPA high) look like this

 

2015 (3) $11,000Hi $8,500Lo

 

2014 (7) $10,000Hi $7,300Lo

 

2013 (2) $7,522Hi $6,550Lo

 

2012 (6) $8,801Hi $6,591Lo

 

2011 (4) $12,100Hi $5,150Lo

 

Nearly 12,000 is well above the recent trend. Which, I knew, since I follow this book pretty closely. I bid aggressively, but not "win at all costs" aggressively.

 

The 2011 sale was double the low from that year. Crazy result which is probably why it still hasn't been reached since.

 

As for "buy the book not the label..." if it includes ignoring the pedigree status of the book (which it seems like it does), I'll have to respectfully decline your advice. I like pedigree books! I have fun chasing them! It makes the hobby fun for me. If you think it's dumb, duly noted. I've been here a long time, I've heard the same thing about pedigrees from a lot of people (shrug)

 

And really, for what it's worth, I was "buying the book" here as my goal for my DD collection is 9.4+ Thing is, I know how fresh the Don and Maggie Thompson books are. I own a bunch of them. So... I bid on this book. It's a much nicer looking copy than many 9.4s because of the preservation.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

added:

 

Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

My wallet (and GPA) would disagree with you. I've bid on 100s of SA pedigree books and they clearly get a premium over equivalent grade, non-pedigree books.

 

Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

:gossip: ...buy the book, not a label.

 

-J.

 

Good point. Wouldn't pedigree hunting be the ultimate buying the label, not the book?

 

:insane:

 

When you buy a pedigree copy, you ARE buying the book, not the label (synonymous for grade). You're buying the history behind the book and the pedigree. I also love to chase pedigrees and think they add something to a book. Personally, I'd rather own a pedigree 9.6 than a 9.8.

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Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

No, it's not the all-time high in the grade. But it is well above the recent trend. The recent high is $11,000 and there's been another 9.2 sitting unsold at Metro at $11,000 for a few months. Everything else is lower by a fair bit. GPA 9.2 sales over the past few years (back to that outlier GPA high) look like this

 

2015 (3) $11,000Hi $8,500Lo

 

2014 (7) $10,000Hi $7,300Lo

 

2013 (2) $7,522Hi $6,550Lo

 

2012 (6) $8,801Hi $6,591Lo

 

2011 (4) $12,100Hi $5,150Lo

 

Nearly 12,000 is well above the recent trend. Which, I knew, since I follow this book pretty closely. I bid aggressively, but not "win at all costs" aggressively.

 

The 2011 sale was double the low from that year. Crazy result which is probably why it still hasn't been reached since.

 

As for "buy the book not the label..." if it includes ignoring the pedigree status of the book (which it seems like it does), I'll have to respectfully decline your advice. I like pedigree books! I have fun chasing them! It makes the hobby fun for me. If you think it's dumb, duly noted. I've been here a long time, I've heard the same thing about pedigrees from a lot of people (shrug)

 

And really, for what it's worth, I was "buying the book" here as my goal for my DD collection is 9.4+ Thing is, I know how fresh the Don and Maggie Thompson books are. I own a bunch of them. So... I bid on this book. It's a much nicer looking copy than many 9.4s because of the preservation.

 

:gossip: You won't win this argument. Don't waste your energy.

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Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

No, it's not the all-time high in the grade. But it is well above the recent trend. The recent high is $11,000 and there's been another 9.2 sitting unsold at Metro at $11,000 for a few months. Everything else is lower by a fair bit. GPA 9.2 sales over the past few years (back to that outlier GPA high) look like this

 

2015 (3) $11,000Hi $8,500Lo

 

2014 (7) $10,000Hi $7,300Lo

 

2013 (2) $7,522Hi $6,550Lo

 

2012 (6) $8,801Hi $6,591Lo

 

2011 (4) $12,100Hi $5,150Lo

 

Nearly 12,000 is well above the recent trend. Which, I knew, since I follow this book pretty closely. I bid aggressively, but not "win at all costs" aggressively.

 

The 2011 sale was double the low from that year. Crazy result which is probably why it still hasn't been reached since.

 

As for "buy the book not the label..." if it includes ignoring the pedigree status of the book (which it seems like it does), I'll have to respectfully decline your advice. I like pedigree books! I have fun chasing them! It makes the hobby fun for me. If you think it's dumb, duly noted. I've been here a long time, I've heard the same thing about pedigrees from a lot of people (shrug)

 

And really, for what it's worth, I was "buying the book" here as my goal for my DD collection is 9.4+ Thing is, I know how fresh the Don and Maggie Thompson books are. I own a bunch of them. So... I bid on this book. It's a much nicer looking copy than many 9.4s because of the preservation.

 

:gossip: You won't win this argument. Don't waste your energy.

 

:gossip: He's stating his personal collecting preference (as are you), so there's nothing to "win".

 

Rob, I never said chasing pedigrees was dumb. It's not part of my wheelhouse, but I don't tell other people how to spend their money.

 

I chimed in because of what I felt was a hyperbolic statement that (all) pedigrees "demand a 20-100% premium". This is demonstrably not accurate.

 

Going back to this 9.2 Daredevil 1 sale, you cite the GPA highs and lows of 2015 for the 9.2 grade. However there are in reality only 3 sales in 2015 in that grade and each is greater than the last, with the last being the sale of $11,000.

 

That $11,000 sale was nearly a year ago, and is only $950 less than the sale of this "pedigree" copy. That difference in price, even if taken at face value alone, is only 7.95% higher than the prior sale from a year ago (a far cry from 20-100%), and even that nominal price differential can just as easily be (and in all likelihood is) attributed to price inflation benefiting from the well received and successful launch of Season 2 of the show on Netflix (as well as typical price inflation that might have happened even without the show).

 

But again, I don't think you or anyone is "dumb" for going after what they like. Whatever floats your boat. (thumbs u

 

Happy hunting !

 

-J.

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:gossip: You won't win this argument. Don't waste your energy.

 

Definitely not trying to win anything! I'll take my ball and go home.

 

I'm saying you won't convince jaydog. :D

 

I'm cool with people disagreeing with me on the internet. I just wanted to clarify a few things, especially since the topic is Daredevil #1. There's no better place to share some info on the book than here. :sumo:

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But again, I don't think you or anyone is "dumb" for going after what they like. Whatever floats your boat. (thumbs u

 

The lecturing tone and the "buy the book, not the label" added in like I'm some yokel, don't help if that's really the way you feel.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

added:

 

Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

My wallet (and GPA) would disagree with you. I've bid on 100s of SA pedigree books and they clearly get a premium over equivalent grade, non-pedigree books.

 

Well this Daredevil 1 "pedigree" that just sold wasn't even a GPA high for the grade, so.....

 

:gossip: ...buy the book, not a label.

 

-J.

 

Good point. Wouldn't pedigree hunting be the ultimate buying the label, not the book?

 

:insane:

 

When you buy a pedigree copy, you ARE buying the book, not the label (synonymous for grade). You're buying the history behind the book and the pedigree. I also love to chase pedigrees and think they add something to a book. Personally, I'd rather own a pedigree 9.6 than a 9.8.

 

Hey, I'm all about collecting whatever you like my brother!

 

Was just trying to understand the mindset, that's all. :foryou:

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There's really no need to explain why you buy or collect certain things. It's within personal needs and wants that some wouldn't understand.

 

There's really no need to explain anything, ever, but forums are a nice place to exchange ideas, learn about other peoples practices. (shrug)

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There's really no need to explain why you buy or collect certain things. It's within personal needs and wants that some wouldn't understand.

 

There's really no need to explain anything, ever, but forums are a nice place to exchange ideas, learn about other peoples practices. (shrug)

 

True about exchanging of ideas. I have learned so much about comics from different genres that it has expanded my ideas and thoughts about collecting a variety of titles. But sometimes those ideas can be abused or misinterpreted.

 

Some practices can be shared some are also private. The whole ordeal about pressing and tape are a couple off the top of my head.

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

Because in most instances a 9.2/9.4/9.6 pedigree book is superior in every way to a non pedigree book in the same grade. Sometimes it's cover gloss, sometimes the suppleness of the paper but mostly the state of preservation in a pedigree book is superior to a generic book, AND that's not always represented in its technical/structural grade.

 

Jim

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:sorry: I was the under-bidder. I went to my absolute maximum for that book and someone else wanted it more. I was involved because it's a pedigree copy and wouldn't go near that price for a non-pedigree 9.2, personally.

 

Why? A beautiful book is a beautiful book.

 

I specifically target pedigree copies and, since I'm not along in targeting pedigree books, I realize you have to pay a premium for them. Depending on the dollar value of the book, pedigree copies demand a 20% - 100% premium (cheaper books can generate a higher "pedigree" premium)

 

added:

 

Also, I'm actually in the market for a 9.4, and was only bidding on this (at all) because it's a pedigree.

 

There's plenty of pedigrees that don't get any real "premium" at all. In fact, there's only a handful that really do and that's mostly in the GA arena.

 

-J.

 

Curators, and Pac Coasts books were GA collections? Huh, who knew. I swear I learn something new on these boards every day.

 

Jim

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