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February 2016 Heritage Auction

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delekkerste

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(shrug) I feel like I am missing something. That cover sold 11 years ago for about $4,700, around the same time a bunch of Bright Layton Iron Man covers came out and sold for about $2,000. Bright pages were selling last year for about $4-600. I just think 7X increase in 11 years is pretty insane.

 

Unless Todd McFarlane secretly drew this cover, you're not missing anything. ;)

 

I don't know if "shocked" is too strong a word, but I will at least be very, very surprised if this cover hits $35K. And if it fetches $75K, you can expect my resignation letter from the hobby the following morning.

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t3quila

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Gorgeous cover! Any estimates?

 

No idea truthfully. The artist is not impressive but the image is striking and the nostalgia factor is strong.

 

I see a really big range on this one depending if people sit on their hands after the Burkey fiasco and also not certain how the stock market tanking effects things. Will people want to pour money into tangible assets or feel poorer when looking at their 401k statements

 

$35k-$75k is my WIDE range

 

I know its a cop out but thats my guesstimate (for the VERY little it is worth)

 

 

I too can pull figures out of my arse, I see others can as well.

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Peter G

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(shrug) I feel like I am missing something. That cover sold 11 years ago for about $4,700, around the same time a bunch of Bright Layton Iron Man covers came out and sold for about $2,000. Bright pages were selling last year for about $4-600. I just think 7X increase in 11 years is pretty insane.

 

Unless Todd McFarlane secretly drew this cover, you're not missing anything. ;)

 

I don't know if "shocked" is too strong a word, but I will at least be very, very surprised if this cover hits $35K. And if it fetches $75K, you can expect my resignation letter from the hobby the following morning.

 

Are you still using comps to determine price ? Hasn't that been revealed to be a flawed methodology in recent days ? ;)

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vodou

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$40k for Anderson X-Men Annual 5 cover was pretty far out too, but then we found out is was a mega grail for Ron. This cover could be a similar piece for at least two bidders. No way do I think it's 'worth' 35k, I'm just allowing that a number like that is reasonably possible, but so is 20k+. Under 20k I don't see.

 

What I'd pay...$10k. Not based on the last public number, but what it means to me against my hourly 'wage' (if you will), how much I'd pay for it in personal labor, time (lifespan) lost doing sht I don't want to do for other people. Versus other stuff I could get for $10k or less, all that.

 

Nonetheless, definitely not going to happen. Not backpedaling when I write 20k+, just that it could go low if people are distracted by other pieces in the sale etc. I'm still down with my original 35k number as likely.

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tth2

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(shrug) I feel like I am missing something. That cover sold 11 years ago for about $4,700, around the same time a bunch of Bright Layton Iron Man covers came out and sold for about $2,000. Bright pages were selling last year for about $4-600. I just think 7X increase in 11 years is pretty insane.

 

Unless Todd McFarlane secretly drew this cover, you're not missing anything. ;)

 

I don't know if "shocked" is too strong a word, but I will at least be very, very surprised if this cover hits $35K. And if it fetches $75K, you can expect my resignation letter from the hobby the following morning.

 

Are you still using comps to determine price ? Hasn't that been revealed to be a flawed methodology in recent days ? ;)

Comps have been shown to be flawed upwards, not downwards. :gossip:

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alxjhnsn

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Anyone care to give this noob a range on the Zeck Cap cover? I would like to know if it's even in my ballpark as I've wanted a Zeck cover for a while and have literally never bought OA before.

Someone may be able to answer your question, but I'm not that guy. However, if you'd like some advice on how to figure it out as best one can in this strange hobby, I can help.

 

 

 

You might want to explore the following resources:

  • The OA auction archive at Heritage Auctions - This archive presents the results from all of their OA auctions.. Once you sign-up and get an id, you can search for pieces by your artist and see what they have sold for.
  • The CAF Market Data - More auction results (more than 1,000,000) are available if you join the Comic Art Fans site, pay for Market Data access, and access eBay and other auction sites as well as Heritage.
  • The Comic Art Database. It contains transaction records entered by the owners of Comic OA.
  • Dealer sites. Dealers, generally, post their art with fixed prices though there are exceptions. There is a list of dealers on CGC OA board and the Dragonberry site has a list as well. The CAF site will search the inventories of several dealers for you.
  • Blouin Art Info which tracks sales at major art auctions. It can turn up some Comic OA as well. Look for the “Art Prices” item on the top right of the screen
  • Jerry Weist's Comic Art Price Guide - Heritage published a third edition of it. In my opinion, it's a good history book and might be useful for comparison work, but it was out of date a year before it was printed.
  • A topic on these CGC OA boards, A-level panel page valuations by artist/run - thoughts/additions/changes?, holds a discussion that relates to your question. It provides some "generally agreed upon" ranges for popular runs by popular artists on popular characters.
  • The Biggest OA Prices thread tracked some of the largest sales in the OA space. While that particular thread has stopped; it's probably worth reading for the discussions. Meanwhile , the information is still being updated - just with a different mechanism.

New buyers and sellers often find that OA is too hard to price. I agree. However, I think that there is a valid reason. Each piece is unique. Uniqueness make art sales generally and OA specifically non-linear.

 

For example,

  • Consecutive pages could and do sell for radically different amounts.
  • Take page layout - In general, you might say:
    Covers > 1st Page Splash > Other Splash > 1/2 splash > panel pages
    However, that's not always true either. The right panel page can be much more compelling than a bland splash.
  • Take pencillers- There are "A-list" artists, but not all of their books/characters have the same value. Kirby FF pages generally go for more than JIM/Thor pages which go for more than Cap pages (2nd run) which go for more than ...
  • Take combinations of pencilers/inkers - Kirby/Sinnott FF pages rank above Kirby and anyone else on FF, but a Kirby/X FF page might be more or less than a Kirby/Stone Thor page. Hard to tell.

 

Finally, you should join the comic book OA community. The three main points of Internet contact are:

 

The main points of physical contact are probably:

 

One last comment, if you are looking to buy or sell, spend the time to learn the market. That might take 6 months, but it's worth the time.

 

 

 

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Funnyslover

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There seem to be lots of requests across these threads for HA to respond to gossip, innuendo, vitriol and assumptions. Which they have not done. Quite rightly, methinks. Whereas in this case - presented with facts (a named employee) they have responded and cleared the air. So, yes, there's a general point to made as well as the specific. Hail Heritage :foryou:

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alxjhnsn

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Boohoo Vudu, so far as I can tell HA is silent on the topic shill bidding on their site and Mike Burkey.

 

They did comment that one of their employees was not involved in a different shilling situation.

 

Am I missing something?

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glendgold

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The Kirby animation presentation pieces are really interesting -- I'm glad to see most of this material for the first time. Every once in a while I see a DPS he did from that era and it's amazing to me we didn't know of its existence until just now.

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